If you become a Christian you will get rich

[Bluelion]

Rightly said that is not true! Jesus who was greater then Solomon was born in a manger, and was homeless. Is anyone here greater then His Master? We are promised trials, tribulation, and persecution if we follow Jesus, not money. "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." (If Jesus was homeless wouldn't the 12 be as well while they where following him around?)


Read John 15:18-25 and Luke 14:26-35

Was not Moses richer before he started following God. Are not Egyptian Princes wealthier then shepherds? Were not tax collectors working for Rome wealthier then homeless preachers? We first meet Matthew in Capernaum, in his tax booth on the main highway. He was collecting duties on imported goods brought by farmers, merchants, and caravans. I am pretty sure Paul would have made more money if he had not followed Jesus. I don't think part time tent makers made to much money.

Yeah God does not command us to be poor, some will be yes and others rich. God blesses everyone differently.

Fact is Jacob had nothing and God made him very wealthy. its not the standard not sure there is one, God uses us all differently, some He uses as poor, some He makes rich. The lie is God will make you rich for coming to Him. You may or may not be, It is God's will be done not yours.

God made Job wealthy and let satan take it all away then He blessed Him again and made him more wealthy than he was before. What is wrong is to be jealous of your brother or sister because of his or her wealth.

and we are not commanded to Judge there is one judge God, we are to use His judgement he gave us.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

and we are not commanded to Judge there is one judge God, we are to use His judgement he gave us.

In fact we are commanded many many many times in scripture to judge. To refuse to judge in every single situation is evil. It displeases the Lord when there is NO judgment.(Isaiah 59) That is not to say that it is always correct to judge. We are not to judge according to appearance but are to judge righteously.(John 7:24) We are also not supposed to judge hypocritically. (Matthew 7:1-5)

In Mathew 7 Jesus didn't issue a blanket condemnation of judgment, he condemned hypocritical judgment. (For example judging someone for judging) For example how can you say judging is wrong and then judge someone for their forum name?

Also lets say I was being extremely judgmental towards someone who did something horrible (An adult and fake Christian who did inappropriate things to my sister when she was 13 as well as getting her into drugs at that young age, true story FYI) and that person said don't judge to defend themselves (He did btw) Isn't that person judging me for judging? That's hypocrisy. Because that is hypocritical judgment it is a violation of what Jesus said in Mathew 7.

Read Matthew 7:1-6. Notice that Jesus said First remove the beam from your eye, THEN you shall see clearly to remove the mote from your brothers eye. We are not supposed to judge someone for something we do ourselves especially if we are a greater offender...however we are to remove that beam SO that we can see clealy to remove the mote from our brothers eye.

BTW look at verse 6. Jesus refered to certain types of people as Dogs and Pigs. (That being those who will turn to rend you). Do you think calling fellow jews pigs wasn't judgmental? How are we supposed to figure out who these pigs and dogs we are not to cast our pearls before are? If you read the whole chapter you will notice Jesus refers to certain people as wolves in sheeps clothing and says you SHALL know them by their fruit. Judging someone as a pig, dog, or wolf in sheep's clothing is extremely judgmental. Just how are we supposed to discern who these people are that Jesus refers to without judging?

Besides referring to people as dogs Jesus also directly called people sons of their father the devil, thieves, whitened sepulchres, ect. ect. and even overturned tables and went after people with a whip of cords. That's judgemental...but was appropriate and just. Jesus is God, that was his house btw. It wouldn't be appropriate for me to go into the temple and drive people out with a whip but you get the point.

(Jesus said this)
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. - Matthew 18:15-17 (If you look at 1st Corinthians Chapter 5 you can see Paul telling the Corinthian Church to do this to a unrepentant man who was having relations with his own stepmother. This man latter repents and returns to the fold as mentioned by Paul in 2nd Corinthians)

BTW is this (Matthew 18:15-17) not what I should do to that man of whom I spoke? Especially since he is still unrepentant, thinks there is nothing wrong with what he did, and wants to become a Pastor? If he dose become a Pastor and at that point is still unrepentant I am going to believe that he will eventually try to take advantage of the children of his congregants. If he gets a Church and is still unrepentant I will enter his Church and rebuke him mid sermon. I will warn those who have little girls. This is judging. I will still do it...if he gets a church and is still unrepentant that is. Even if im going to get arrested I will warn them.

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? (1st Corinthians 6:1-5)

 

[98cwitr]

If any of you (me included) were in the rich man's position when Christ said "Go sell your possessions and give to the poor" what would you have really done?

I would ask "Even my Honda S2000?"

Forgive me Lord

Im sorry but i find it really hard to believe that there are wealthy (monetarily) Christians in this world, or else they would have given it all away and become "middle class" at least. I dont give hardly any of what I should, and there's some guilt there.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

If any of you (me included) were in the rich man's position when Christ said "Go sell your possessions and give to the poor" what would you have really done?

I would ask "Even my Honda S2000?"

Forgive me Lord

Im sorry but i find it really hard to believe that there are wealthy (monetarily) Christians in this world, or else they would have given it all away and become "middle class" at least. I dont give hardly any of what I should, and there's some guilt there.

Rich people can provide jobs and use their wealth to benefit other people. It is not evil to be rich. Should one give away everything they own or use their money to create more money, more jobs, and then use that increased wealth to benefit more people?

Since that man was told to sell all he had that is what he should have done. But I don't think that is what all rich Christians should do. Certainly I don't think they should live immodestly and should use their wealth to help others and to help promote the gospel but I don't think they should give it all up.

However I think televangelists who buy themselves private jets and mansions (PLURAL) with their "church's" money while getting paid millions from money that was donated to their "church" and supposed to be used in missions, feeding the poor, or spreading the gospel are hypocrites. They are the sorts Jesus would go after with a whip. He in fact did do that btw.

Let us all stand for the overturning of the tables and the whipping of the greedy hypocrites.

Oh and yes you should give up your Honda you horrible heathen you. Buy a Chevy like a respectable person! (That was a joke btw.)

 

[Bluelion]

In fact we are commanded many many many times in scripture to judge. To refuse to judge in every single situation is evil. It displeases the Lord when there is NO judgment.(Isaiah 59) That is not to say that it is always correct to judge. We are not to judge according to appearance but are to judge righteously.(John 7:24) We are also not supposed to judge hypocritically. (Matthew 7:1-5)

In Mathew 7 Jesus didn't issue a blanket condemnation of judgment, he condemned hypocritical judgment. (For example judging someone for judging) For example how can you say judging is wrong and then judge someone for their forum name?

Also lets say I was being extremely judgmental towards someone who did something horrible (An adult and fake Christian who did inappropriate things to my sister when she was 13 as well as getting her into drugs at that young age, true story FYI) and that person said don't judge to defend themselves (He did btw) Isn't that person judging me for judging? That's hypocrisy. Because that is hypocritical judgment it is a violation of what Jesus said in Mathew 7.

Read Matthew 7:1-6. Notice that Jesus said First remove the beam from your eye, THEN you shall see clearly to remove the mote from your brothers eye. We are not supposed to judge someone for something we do ourselves especially if we are a greater offender...however we are to remove that beam SO that we can see clealy to remove the mote from our brothers eye.

BTW look at verse 6. Jesus refered to certain types of people as Dogs and Pigs. (That being those who will turn to rend you). Do you think calling fellow jews pigs wasn't judgmental? How are we supposed to figure out who these pigs and dogs we are not to cast our pearls before are? If you read the whole chapter you will notice Jesus refers to certain people as wolves in sheeps clothing and says you SHALL know them by their fruit. Judging someone as a pig, dog, or wolf in sheep's clothing is extremely judgmental. Just how are we supposed to discern who these people are that Jesus refers to without judging?

Besides referring to people as dogs Jesus also directly called people sons of their father the devil, thieves, whitened sepulchres, ect. ect. and even overturned tables and went after people with a whip of cords. That's judgemental...but was appropriate and just. Jesus is God, that was his house btw. It wouldn't be appropriate for me to go into the temple and drive people out with a whip but you get the point.

(Jesus said this)
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. - Matthew 18:15-17 (If you look at 1st Corinthians Chapter 5 you can see Paul telling the Corinthian Church to do this to a unrepentant man who was having relations with his own stepmother. This man latter repents and returns to the fold as mentioned by Paul in 2nd Corinthians)

BTW is this (Matthew 18:15-17) not what I should do to that man of whom I spoke? Especially since he is still unrepentant, thinks there is nothing wrong with what he did, and wants to become a Pastor? If he dose become a Pastor and at that point is still unrepentant I am going to believe that he will eventually try to take advantage of the children of his congregants. If he gets a Church and is still unrepentant I will enter his Church and rebuke him mid sermon. I will warn those who have little girls. This is judging. I will still do it...if he gets a church and is still unrepentant that is. Even if im going to get arrested I will warn them.

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? (1st Corinthians 6:1-5)

Well my Bible says there is one God 3 parts and he alone is the judge. men are equal to each other how can one judge over the other, man is not perfect so he can not judge. God judge things for us and we use his judgement, but you go on judging and you will receive judgement, Judge not less you be judge for the measure you judge a person shall be measure back to you. Have fun with that.

 

[Bluelion]

If any of you (me included) were in the rich man's position when Christ said "Go sell your possessions and give to the poor" what would you have really done?

I would ask "Even my Honda S2000?"

Forgive me Lord

Im sorry but i find it really hard to believe that there are wealthy (monetarily) Christians in this world, or else they would have given it all away and become "middle class" at least. I dont give hardly any of what I should, and there's some guilt there.

I am lucky as of right now I would say do i really have to go back and sell it can't I just leave it for others to find Where i would have trouble is Peter left His wife and kids on that issue i would beg God to bring my family.

we all have something we have trouble walking away from. Job lost everything, could he have given it up, maybe not but God helped him. He helps us all.

The real issue is not being wealthy it comes when people hold on to their wealth at all cost, and say don't give what they should, then like you said comes guilt, so then comes the second action cursing those who preach against wealth as if they are the reason for guilt. Guilt comes from our own actions.

I am not preaching against wealth for the record. I am just exposing the lie of God will make you rich money wise.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Well my Bible says there is one God 3 parts and he alone is the judge. men are equal to each other how can one judge over the other, man is not perfect so he can not judge. God judge things for us and we use his judgement, but you go on judging and you will receive judgement, Judge not less you be judge for the measure you judge a person shall be measure back to you. Have fun with that.

Let me make this clear. You have just judged me for judging. You are a hypocrite. In fact the same kind of hypocrite Jesus was speaking of, which is why this is so ironic.

Ironically Jesus condemned hypocritical judgment in Matthew 7:1-5 not all judgment. He did not issue a blanket condemnation against judgment. Hypocritical judgment like what you are engaging in right this moment.

You have just hung yourself with your own rope. You judged me. That is judging. You say that judging is wrong. Now I'm judging you for hypocrisy however Jesus never forbade judging and I don't think it is wrong to judge. It is wrong to judge hypocritically and to judge according to appearance but it is not wrong to judge. Why did Jesus say "Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgment"?

 

[now faith]

Let me make this clear. You have just judged me for judging. You are a hypocrite. In fact the same kind of hypocrite Jesus was speaking of, which is why this is so ironic.

Ironically Jesus condemned hypocritical judgment in Matthew 7:1-5 not all judgment. He did not issue a blanket condemnation against judgment. Hypocritical judgment like what you are engaging in right this moment.

You have just hung yourself with your own rope. You judged me. That is judging. You say that judging is wrong. Now I'm judging you for hypocrisy however Jesus never forbade judging and I don't think it is wrong to judge. It is wrong to judge hypocritically and to judge according to appearance but it is not wrong to judge. Why did Jesus say "Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgment"?

He did not judge you personally,you perceived this.
He simply stated his opinion on what he understands from the Bible.
Then you called him a hypocrite,where you are the accuser not him.


Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

He did not judge you personally,you perceived this.
He simply stated his opinion on what he understands from the Bible.
Then you called him a hypocrite,where you are the accuser not him.


Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Yes he did judge me. He judged me for judging. That is hypocritical. Just as hypocritical as accusing someone of being an accuser. Hypocrite.

Do you know who else accused people of being hypocrites when they where in fact being hypocrites among other things? Jesus! Also Paul the man who God used to write the book of Romans accused people who needed accusing all the time. Romans 2:1 is addressing hypocrites like you and your buddy Bluelion who judge someone for doing the same exact thing that they do.

I just read your posts in The Apostles Peter and Paul need rebuking... thread. Umm you guys were extremely judgmental. Now I agree with a lot of what you guys said in that thread but you both where judging people. There is nothing wrong with judging people if it is a righteous judgment and a lot of the judgments you guys made were spot on however hypocrisy is wrong. You both claim that judging is wrong and therefor any time you judge someone you will be committing hypocrisy until you remove this heretical log from your eye. Until you two admit that judging isn't wrong and get those logs out of your eyes any judgment you make will be hypocritical. (I am going to explain why that is extremely bad and dangerous)

I was watching a 40 minute episode of the Steve Wilkos show entitled Devil Mom. I suggest you two watch it. I cant link to it but you can go to youtube and watch it. In the show Wilcos interviews a mother in jail (who got 9-20 years) who did some very horrible things to her daughter. She started having a physical relationship with her daughter at the age of 5 and at the age of 7 tried to bring her to a hotel for the purpose of selling this daughter for the night to a man she met online. This man luckily enough was a undercover cop. This mother called the undercover cop a homewrecker. Blamed the police saying the police put her and her daughters through hell. Don't judge right? She said I'm not going to do the nine years because God's not going to let me. This is why your heresy is so dangerous you two, and why I am so adamant about this whole don't judge thing.

Do you know who told me I don't have a right to judge and that only God can judge him. The pedophile who had sex with my sister when she was 13 and got her into drugs...who btw doesn't think what he did was wrong is still unrepentant and wants to become a pastor. Am I supposed to sit around with my thumb up my butt, not judgeing, if this man gets a church and some of the people attending this church have little girls I shouldn't do anything? I shouldn't judge? Ok what would you two do?

Do you wonder why I am so adamant about this issue? Well this is why!!!!!! I am sorry if I offended you or made you mad but this is a really big issue with me because I know how dangerous this false belief can be.

 

[Petruchio]

False?

You just throw verses out of context the start bashing and judging people you know nothing about.

But I know lots about them. They're on TV asking for money, giving false prophecies like this one:

Orlando Christian Center, December 31st, 1989
“The Spirit tells me – Fidel Castro will die – in the 90’s. Oooh, my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God.” – Benny Hinn

William's Blog: Benny Hinn - The Lying Prophet

You are the problem,because you cannot understand the biblical truth.

Weren't you saying something about money (and by implication, prosperity gospel) is necessary to spread the Gospel? So... who converts? Was it Paul, Apollos, or God? And was any of the men of God actually rich?

 

[Petruchio]

He said their giving would abound to their account.

He said no such thing. Your reference is:

"...but I desire fruit that may abound to your account."

But the fruit he wants them to have is righteousness:

Php 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Furthermore, Paul was not rich, he was poor:

Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
(1Co 4:11-13)

2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

We are promised only our need, our "daily bread," according to His own will and purpose. We are not promised material prosperity.

 

[Lawrencenb]

Sorry but the only thing I heard in your post is what you have and what your family has and has not. Here is a verse for you, "Remember the Lord your God for it is He that gives you the power to get wealth, so that He might establish His covenant" Du 8:18. God wants you have wealth, but he doesn't want wealth to have you. How else will you be able to get your eyes off of your needs and start feedind the orphans, the widows the homeless and all of the other hurting people.

 

[abysmul]

When preachers and their flock seem to talk about monetary wealth as much or more than anything, their priorities are clear (sad, but clear). When they are questioned about that, their bristling defense of that doctrine is also (sadly) reveling.

Five minutes surfing the TV evangelists will show you their priorities.

 

[Bluelion]

Let me make this clear. You have just judged me for judging. You are a hypocrite. In fact the same kind of hypocrite Jesus was speaking of, which is why this is so ironic.

Ironically Jesus condemned hypocritical judgment in Matthew 7:1-5 not all judgment. He did not issue a blanket condemnation against judgment. Hypocritical judgment like what you are engaging in right this moment.

You have just hung yourself with your own rope. You judged me. That is judging. You say that judging is wrong. Now I'm judging you for hypocrisy however Jesus never forbade judging and I don't think it is wrong to judge. It is wrong to judge hypocritically and to judge according to appearance but it is not wrong to judge. Why did Jesus say "Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgment"?

really what was the judgement? If you had been with God you would not have falsely accused me. words Jesus spoke when He was falsely accused.

Like I said we are to use God's judgement.

 

[Bluelion]

Yes he did judge me. He judged me for judging. That is hypocritical. Just as hypocritical as accusing someone of being an accuser. Hypocrite.

Do you know who else accused people of being hypocrites when they where in fact being hypocrites among other things? Jesus! Also Paul the man who God used to write the book of Romans accused people who needed accusing all the time. Romans 2:1 is addressing hypocrites like you and your buddy Bluelion who judge someone for doing the same exact thing that they do.

I just read your posts in The Apostles Peter and Paul need rebuking... thread. Umm you guys were extremely judgmental. Now I agree with a lot of what you guys said in that thread but you both where judging people. There is nothing wrong with judging people if it is a righteous judgment and a lot of the judgments you guys made were spot on however hypocrisy is wrong. You both claim that judging is wrong and therefor any time you judge someone you will be committing hypocrisy until you remove this heretical log from your eye. Until you two admit that judging isn't wrong and get those logs out of your eyes any judgment you make will be hypocritical. (I am going to explain why that is extremely bad and dangerous)

I was watching a 40 minute episode of the Steve Wilkos show entitled Devil Mom. I suggest you two watch it. I cant link to it but you can go to youtube and watch it. In the show Wilcos interviews a mother in jail (who got 9-20 years) who did some very horrible things to her daughter. She started having a physical relationship with her daughter at the age of 5 and at the age of 7 tried to bring her to a hotel for the purpose of selling this daughter for the night to a man she met online. This man luckily enough was a undercover cop. This mother called the undercover cop a homewrecker. Blamed the police saying the police put her and her daughters through hell. Don't judge right? She said I'm not going to do the nine years because God's not going to let me. This is why your heresy is so dangerous you two, and why I am so adamant about this whole don't judge thing.

Do you know who told me I don't have a right to judge and that only God can judge him. The pedophile who had sex with my sister when she was 13 and got her into drugs...who btw doesn't think what he did was wrong is still unrepentant and wants to become a pastor. Am I supposed to sit around with my thumb up my butt, not judgeing, if this man gets a church and some of the people attending this church have little girls I shouldn't do anything? I shouldn't judge? Ok what would you two do?

Do you wonder why I am so adamant about this issue? Well this is why!!!!!! I am sorry if I offended you or made you mad but this is a really big issue with me because I know how dangerous this false belief can be.

oh so your projecting on to all of us what this man did. I am sorry about your sister that is a hard thing to deal with. I was molested as a kid and the guy never did jail time never got any punishment what so ever. I don't even think he felt bad. I have forgiven Him. Some times the hardest things to forgive are the first things we should. The heart of the Lord is forgiveness. We do not judge we use God's judgement and applies them. He has dealt with every situation. Should this man be a preach I can not say I don't know His heart. Saul Killed Christians was a murder, He is also known as Paul who wrote 13 books of the Bible.

Jesus says if you seek justice you will have your fill. God knows his heart God will deal with him.

Peace and Love
blu

 

[Bluelion]

He said no such thing. Your reference is:

"...but I desire fruit that may abound to your account."

But the fruit he wants them to have is righteousness:

Php 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Furthermore, Paul was not rich, he was poor:

Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
(1Co 4:11-13)

2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

We are promised only our need, our "daily bread," according to His own will and purpose. We are not promised material prosperity.

Paul had money, he had enough to rent out his own house for a year or two in which he wrote one or two of the books of the bible while being held in roman. He was a prisoner, he could not work. so he must have built up wealth to do that.

Those that work should be fed.

This was God providing for him.

 

[Bluelion]

Sorry but the only thing I heard in your post is what you have and what your family has and has not. Here is a verse for you, "Remember the Lord your God for it is He that gives you the power to get wealth, so that He might establish His covenant" Du 8:18. God wants you have wealth, but he doesn't want wealth to have you. How else will you be able to get your eyes off of your needs and start feedind the orphans, the widows the homeless and all of the other hurting people.

sorry that's all you heard because that was not all that was said. Seems you have a hearing problem, and seeing, you make post into what you want them to be instead of what they are.

 

[Petruchio]

Sorry but the only thing I heard in your post is what you have and what your family has and has not. Here is a verse for you, "Remember the Lord your God for it is He that gives you the power to get wealth, so that He might establish His covenant" Du 8:18. God wants you have wealth, but he doesn't want wealth to have you. How else will you be able to get your eyes off of your needs and start feedind the orphans, the widows the homeless and all of the other hurting people.

If God wants us to have wealth, then we would have it, especially the Apostles, since:

Psa 135:6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.

And again:

Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
Job 23:14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

What can hinder the almighty hand of God?

But since we are not all wealthy, but some poor and some rich, and many inbetween, your claim is false. The Old covenant is already passed away, and this wealth was given only to some whose chore it was to manage the businesses of the state, as not even all the elect Jews were rich either. Nor was it expected. In fact, the creation of the rich and the poor are BOTH the work of his hands:

Job 34:19 How much less to him that accepteth not the persons of princes, nor regardeth the rich more than the poor? for they all are the work of his hands.

There is no Theocratic-state or governing power any more in this world. Our Kingdom is not of this world, and the glory of riches and the existence of saints in poverty is explicitly taught: Here, righteous Lazarus dies in poverty, and the rich man is sent to hell:

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."
(Luk 16:19-23)

 

[Petruchio]

Paul had money, he had enough to rent out his own house for a year or two in which he wrote one or two of the books of the bible while being held in roman. He was a prisoner, he could not work. so he must have built up wealth to do that.

Where's your proof of that? And, do you know the difference between having what is "necessary," our daily need, and prosperity?

I'll give you a hint:

Luk_18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

 

[Bluelion]

To everyone in this post this is not a bash on the wealth, it seems to have turn this way. But it was exposing the lie that if you get saved you become rich.

Some brothers and sisters are very wealthy, but money means little to them. We should not attack them if their heart is right, we should rejoice with them in their wealth and say Good for you one brother or sister who does not struggle with this. they have a blessing from God.

try to stay on topic not bashing.