Who said Job was blameless?

[brinny]

^ re: post #199 see post #196. In the very beginning of the Book of Job. God describes to Satan, Job's standing in the sight of God. Then shortly thereafter it is repeated. In Proverbs and throughout God's Word, God is clear on what is righteous in His sight. They ALL are in reference to giving HIM glory. THe man that does this, is righteous in God's sight. A man who "fears" God and "eschews evil" is a man after God's own heart and is living to give glory to the God He loves God and walks with Him. In essence, Job "blessed" God through all of this and that is why God, of HIs own volition, placed a "hedge" around Job. It sorely irked Satan that there was a man who truly feared God and laid his life before Him as Job did, and not because of possessions, but because he had a "heart" for GOd. And yes, God reads each of our hearts, and certainly he saw directly into Job's and knew exactly what was in Job's heart and that Job loved God with all that was in him, and it is also one of the reasons God records in the very beginning of the Book of Job that Job was a "righteous" man.

This describes Job. Study very carefully how God describes Job, and why.

 

[brinny]

What a load of melodramatic crap. God said Job was not to die.

Job 2:6 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life.”

Why is this SO important? If Job would have died, he would not have been able to repent of his sin.

God KNOWS ALL.
God knew Job would sin.
God wanted Job to learn from this experience.

describe Job's circumstances.

Thank you kindly.

 

[bmjackson]

If God was merely repeating Job's own view of himself, when He said he was righteous or is right with God, then He was not speaking the truth. He did not say that Job imagined he was in a right position with Himself, He said that Job WAS a faithful and true servant of the Lord, which would make Him a liar if it were not 100℅ absolutely true. God does not get up to tricks like we do. Whatever He says is absolute truth and stands forever. At the time it was proclaimed it was absolutely true.

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

This describes Job. Study very carefully how God describes Job, and why.

I have studied the other people that have been called out in the Bible as righteous. Go back and read my post 167.

What you totally ignore in all your posts is that Job sinned.

Not in chapter 1 or 2 but it came out in his conversation with his 3 friends. This is recorded in chapters 3 through 31. You may think it unjust persecution, but conversations like Job's have occurred with millions of God's children through history as we have all had to endured suffering and ask God why. That is expected. What is called out as a sin by Elihu and God though, is to say you are innocent and it is unjust of God to allow this suffering.

Please study the whole book of Job and not just chapters 1 and 2.

 

[brinny]

I have studied the other people that have been called out in the Bible as righteous. Go back and read my post 167.

What you totally ignore in all your posts is that Job sinned.

Not in chapter 1 or 2 but it came out in his conversation with his 3 friends. This is recorded in chapters 3 through 31. You may think it unjust persecution, but conversations like Job's have occurred with millions of God's children through history as we have all had to endured suffering and ask God why. That is expected. What is called out as a sin by Elihu and God though, is to say you are innocent and it is unjust of God to allow this suffering.

Please study the whole book of Job and not just chapters 1 and 2.

I am currently studying the Book of Job. What becomes more and more clear is the utter lack of compassion, and frankly the horrific goading and accusations and antithesis to anything of God these five had towards Job, especially after he had just buried all of his ten children, and as he sat on an ash heap in and around a dung heap, scraping at sores from head to foot with worms in them.

Jesus makes it a point to speak of a Good Samaritan and how what he did for the left for dead stranger lying on the side of the road, and how what he did was "righteous" (He was speaking of a condition of the heart, He always did) and how He compared the Samaritan with the two who crossed the road to avoid the left for dead stranger.

THe glaring error for me is the complete lack of the slightest kindness or praying or ministering to Job from his wife and four friends. Study carefully and see if there are any similarities in Jesus' message in the Good Samaritan and Job's wife and friends.

In God's Word (several times in Isaiah, for instance), GOd repeats again and again what is crucial to Him. What i just posted above is just one example of what that is.

 

[brinny]

When a servant of God is afflicted, persecuted, and endures a season of suffering (is in the furnace of affliction), these are God's own Words, His promise to them (this includes Job, whom God called His servant, a status which never changed for Job from the beginning to the end of the Book of Job.) and a declaration from God Himself that a description of "righteousness" of His servants (including Job) comes from HIM, and none other. He only has the power to declare His servant(s) "righteous". The bottom line is this....that God's servant has faith in God, Who is righteous. This in turn covers the servant with God's righteousness like a cloak, for He believes in this righteous God. Consequently, the servant is deemed "righteous" by God. It was the same with Abraham, who was deemed "righteous" by God because Abraham "believed" in this righteous One, the living God.

Isaiah 54:11-17

"O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires. And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones. And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children. In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee. Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake. Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD."

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

If God was merely repeating Job's own view of himself, when He said he was righteous or is right with God, then He was not speaking the truth. He did not say that Job imagined he was in a right position with Himself, He said that Job WAS a faithful and true servant of the Lord, which would make Him a liar if it were not 100℅ absolutely true. God does not get up to tricks like we do. Whatever He says is absolute truth and stands forever. At the time it was proclaimed it was absolutely true.

Can you provide insight to the other 40 chapters of the book of Job?

I might as well repeat the following because your post is basically a quote of Job 1:8 that has been repeated many times before.

There is so much more to the book of Job than the standard message of saints must endure suffering when tested.

Think about that for a moment. Why does God test us? So that if we fall, God’s grace may grow? Certainly not.

Daniel 11:35 “Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.”

We are tested so that we may be purified, made better. If Job was truly blameless than he no longer needed to be purified, there would be no point in testing him. When the accuser went to God, God did brag on Job and I believe he was the most upright man living. As far as Satan knew, Job was blameless. Satan can only see what we do, but God searches the heart.

If there was a visible sin, Satan would know about it and then he would accuse Job before God. But, God does not accuse. God will not make known to Satan a sin of the heart or mind.

But God in his mercy and compassion made Job to suffer so that his heart may be made right. There are only 2 reasons why God makes his children to suffer; discipline for a wrong or to bring us closer to him. Which do you say is the reason Job suffered?

 

[brinny]

That's not why Job suffered. In addition, a further study as we delve into the Book of Job is the condition of the hearts of Job's wife and four friends.

 

[granpa]

the reason for jobs suffering is clearly stated at the beginning of the book.
he was being tested by the devil to see if he would curse God to his face.

 

[Setyoufree]

Study very carefully God's own accounting of Job and how he was/is written in history.

Yes, and don't skip the part where Job justified himself before God. Don't skip the part where he claimless to be sinless & blameless.

 

[Setyoufree]

Elihu, along with Job's wife and other friends, were being used, but not by God.

Why lie about Elihu? Why?

 

[Setyoufree]

NONE of them, (Job's wife, or any of these four friends) spoke on behalf of God. They were being used by Satan to jab at Job amidst his already suffering mind, body, and spirit.

Job 36:1 Elihu continued and said: 2 "Bear with me a little, and I will show you, for I have yet something to say on God's behalf....

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Elihu, along with Job's wife and other friends, were being used, but not by God.

Why lie about Elihu? Why?

Study very carefully the condition of Elihu's heart. There was nothing of God in him (or Job's wife, or other three friends) coming from him/them towards Job.

What is glaringly clearer and clearer as i delve into the study is the condition of all of their hearts.

 

[granpa]

it seems Job can't win.
if he protests that he is innocent then it is claimed that he is guilty of self-righteousness.

Job 9:20
If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

 

[Setyoufree]

If God was merely repeating Job's own view of himself, when He said he was [blameless], then He was not speaking the truth.

No, that's not true.

God can't defend you if you are defending yourself by your own righteousness.

Satan is the accuser of the brethren. He accuses us before God day & night. Where is God? Where are you?

God is in heaven and you aren't! So you can't stand before God & Satan....

So in order for God to defend you from Satan's accusations He presents you in Christ through your faith.

IF you are presenting your own righteousness, then God cannot present you in Christ. Since you are not there God will simply speak for you like He did Job.

 

[Setyoufree]

Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

He should have taken his own advice, but he didn't

 

[Setyoufree]

Study very carefully the condition of Elihu's heart. There was nothing of God in him coming from him/them towards Job.

Really? Do you judge those sent of God?

God never, never, never, never, ever condemned Elihu for what he said to Job. Not one word. God did however condemn Job's 3 friends.

You need to get your facts straight.

 

[Setyoufree]

Once again:

Luke 18:9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness ..., Jesus told this parable:

10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14 "I tell you that this man (the sinner), rather than the other (the Pharisee), went home justified before God.

"For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled...."

What does it mean "who exalts himself" ?

What's the context?

The sinner asked for mercy....He saw himself as a sinner compared to God's righteousness.

The proud Pharisee justified himself before God.

Now, what did Job do?

Job 31:6 let God weigh me in honest scales and he will know that I am blameless-- 35 let the Almighty answer me; let my accuser put his indictment in writing.

Job 32:2 "But the anger of Elihu ... burned; against Job his anger burned because he justified himself before God!" (NAS)

What happened to Job?

"For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled..."

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
NONE of them, (Job's wife, or any of these four friends) spoke on behalf of God. They were being used by Satan to jab at Job amidst his already suffering mind, body, and spirit.

Job 36:1 Elihu continued and said: 2 "Bear with me a little, and I will show you, for I have yet something to say on God's behalf....

THIS was perhaps Elihu's BIGGEST stumbling block and really revealed his pompousness (self-righteousness, self glorification, if you will).....seriously, delve into this, compare it with the condition of his heart, and then re-think who prompted him to think or say such a thing. It wasn't God.

However, what is most telling of the condition of his heart is his lack of empathy (putting himself in Job's place), lack of compassion, his arrows, and many were they, and condemnation of the utmost kind towards a direly suffering, grieving Job, who had just buried all ten of his children, and was sitting in an ash heap with sores all over his body with worms in them, And here it is.......he didn't even pray for Job.

 

[brinny]

please quote what i post in its entirety, thank you.