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A Pondering of the Peculiar

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No, it's not.

Please answer this question:

Does it make you feel better that no one ... and I mean NO ONE ... is going to go to Hell that doesn't deserve to go?

Why did he create those people in the first place then? Remember, before he created them, being omniscient, he knew that they would end up in hell. Why did he decide to make them anyway?

Also, if I swallow a Chess piece from my miniature Chess-on-the-Go set, despite the fact that it came with a warning label, can I sue FIDE?
You are hopeless at making up analogies, but let's try and mould it into a comparable example. Did FIDE make the chess set knowing without a shadow of a doubt that it would specifically choke you? Did they know in every detail exactly how, when and where the chess set would choke you and the exact level of injury it would cause you and that there was nothing you could do to alter the fact because unlike FIDE, you are not omniscient, and so didn't know what was going to happen in advance? And being aware after the fact that they knew what was going to happen all along, would you look askance at them that they decided to make it anyway? Because that's comparable to your god in action.
 
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IT'S THE PERSON'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!! Satan made hell happen. How is God's fault if a person CHOOSES not to love God???!!!

Wow, you and me are not faulty at all for our décisions, nope we are not. We are not accountable to decide to eat or to sleep. Nope we can't make our own décisions, nope.

I never hear you or anyone else here say that it is THEIR responsibility!!!!!!!!

Are you telling me you can't make a choice and whatever choice you make you aren't accountable to?

Are you blaming God for the décisions you are making everyday?

Oh boy....

I find this post extremely ironic, and telling. You speak of personal responsibility, yet you do not even see that the entire basis of Christianity is the antithesis of personal responsibility. Do you get it?

Hint: Jesus.
 
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Ok. Let's start with the basics since you guys are having difficult grasping the point. I know AV loves these itemized question lists, but I'd like anya to answer them also. Answer each of the following:

Where did hell come from?
Who was hell prepared for?
Who goes to hell now?
Forever?
Does God want those going to hell to go to hell?
Why are those whom hell was not prepared for going there when God doesn't want them to go there?
What crime or sin is justifiably punishable by an eternity of suffering?
Can't an omnipotent God get what it wants?
 
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Are you blaming God for the décisions you are making everyday?

Oh boy....

My point isn't about the decisions of people. It's about the nature of the punishment that God has prepared for those who've supposedly made the wrong decisions.

It's about hell not being a justifiable punishment for anything.
 
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Analogy time:

Imagine if instead of jails, we still used iron maidens to punish shoplifters. Yes, the shoplifter made the bad decision to commit the crime, but the system would still be at fault for the iron maiden being the only punishment available for the crime. The criminal isn't responsible for the punishment being unjust.

The sinner may be responsible for earning a punishment, fine, but ultimately, God is responsible for that punishment being grossly unjust and immoral.
 
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My point isn't about the decisions of people. It's about the nature of the punishment that God has prepared for those who've supposedly made the wrong decisions.

It's about hell not being a justifiable punishment for anything.

Dear Delphiki, The people who freely choose this world and its end, should not whine about their own free decision to reject God's Truth while they embrace the knowledge of this lost and dying world. You don't seem to be aware that it's the present Cosmos which will burned at the end of time.

Our Universe was NOT made to punish anyone, but that people could freely choose between Life, or be left on the present Earth when it burns. Your argument is therefore null and void. God has warned you of what is certain to happen to our world, but you don't believe Him. Do you?

In Love,
Aman
 
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Ok. Let's start with the basics since you guys are having difficult grasping the point. I know AV loves these itemized question lists, but I'd like anya to answer them also. Answer each of the following:

Where did hell come from?
Who was hell prepared for?
Who goes to hell now?
Forever?
Does God want those going to hell to go to hell?
Why are those whom hell was not prepared for going there when God doesn't want them to go there?
What crime or sin is justifiably punishable by an eternity of suffering?
Can't an omnipotent God get what it wants?

I am not one of those people that you called for an answer to these, but I am bored so I will attempt to answer them anyway.

Where did hell come from? Well, hell actually isn't described very well generally speaking. Its creation is never mentioned, and most of what "we" (Christians included) "know" about it comes from speculation. Some have suggested that it was a failed attempt at creating heaven (an omnipotent god shouldn't be capable of failing), others have stated that it was created after the whole lucifer fiasco to hold all of the fallen angels (in short, angel prison) or that it was created after the fall of mankind. However, there is no official, provably correct answer to this question, and the answer will vary depending on who you ask.

Who was hell prepared for? Well, this ties in to when it was created, but I would say it was originally for the fallen angels, and was later used for "fallen" humans. I humor myself sometimes imagining it as god's trash bin.

Who goes to hell now? Extremely subjective. This will vary depending on what religion you are of and what sub sect you are as well. Big dividing points are whether or not nonbelievers go there, as well as whether just being a believer and not necessarily a decent person is enough. But, since only certain crimes specifically are mentioned in the bible, it truly is impossible to draw the line where sinner ends and saint begins.

Forever? Again, depends. Most people will say it is, but an increasing number of people suggest that after a certain point, the sinner's soul "dies" and they completely cease to exist (as if that is any better).

Does God want...? Most people say no. But, given that god supposedly gave us free will, and thus the capability to choose to do evil deeds as opposed to making us be good (fair enough, people do not rise to the occasion if there isn't an occasion.). Then there are the religions that feel that people do not have free will, and those who will be saved has been predetermined. They usually justify this by stating that some people must fall for others to be saved (-_-).

Why... to go there? Mostly explained in the prior question.

What crime or sin...? Child murder. Completely my opinion, but just saying, I don't shed tears for people such as Hitler or Pol Pot. If there is a hell, they are there, and I am perfectly ok with them suffering indefinitely. Also, most people suggest (and this is graphically detailed in Dante's Inferno) that the punishments people receive are relative to their crimes (atheist but otherwise good: eternity of listening to bad country music, I don't know). I suppose an infinite existence is still better than complete nonexistence.

Can't and omnipotent God get what it wants? Absolutely. You assume, however, that god feels that the best course of action was making everyone perfect.

Ultimately, god wanted people to prove that they were worthy of paradise: without any temptation or sin, how can someone prove to be good, when just everyone is made that way? Plus, it would be really, really boring.

You also have to consider that, as far as we can tell, very few humans were directly created by god. We are the descendants of initial creations, and nothing suggests even then that people were completely perfect.

But yes, if god wanted a world of puppets, god could have played the puppeteer.
 
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Where did hell come from?
God made Hell.
Who was hell prepared for?
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And since we rebelled against God as well, justice demands we go there.
Who goes to hell now?
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Anyone who isn't born again.

Anyone who commits the unpardonable sin.
Yes.
Does God want those going to hell to go to hell?
No.
Why are those whom hell was not prepared for going there when God doesn't want them to go there?
Justice demands it.
What crime or sin is justifiably punishable by an eternity of suffering?
Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Can't an omnipotent God get what it wants?
Not always.

And now that I've answered eight of your questions, do you care to answer my one question?
 
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God made Hell.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And since we rebelled against God as well, justice demands we go there.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Anyone who isn't born again.

Anyone who commits the unpardonable sin.

Yes.

No.

Justice demands it.

Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

Not always.

We match up in some places, interesting. However, define what you consider blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, it could be interpreted several ways by itself.
 
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We match up in some places, interesting. However, define what you consider blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, it could be interpreted several ways by itself.
Committing the Unpardonable Sin.
 
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Does it make you feel better that no one ... and I mean NO ONE ... is going to go to Hell that doesn't deserve to go?


It makes me comfortable that no one at all is going to go to hell.

If God were real, then I still wouldn't worship him because nobody deserves an eternal punishment for a finite infraction. I see the character as am evil tyrant. Simple as that. I guess I'd be going to hell with the intellectuals. Better there than with the automotons, and better nowhere at all than either. Consider me a martyr against God.
 
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It makes me comfortable that no one at all is going to go to hell.

If God were real, then I still wouldn't worship him because nobody deserves an eternal punishment for a finite infraction. I see the character as am evil tyrant. Simple as that. I guess I'd be going to hell with the intellectuals. Better there than with the automotons, and better nowhere at all than either. Consider me a martyr against God.

Hitler. Enough said, I truly want him to burn for all eternity.
 
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It makes me comfortable that no one at all is going to go to hell.

If God were real, then I still wouldn't worship him because nobody deserves an eternal punishment for a finite infraction. I see the character as am evil tyrant. Simple as that. I guess I'd be going to hell with the intellectuals. Better there than with the automotons, and better nowhere at all than either. Consider me a martyr against God.
Nice Arab phone.

You Arabed yourself around having to admit that he would deserve to go, didn't you?

Or are you planning on answering the question as ... you know ... it was actually asked?
 
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Nice Arab phone.

You Arabed yourself around having to admit that he would deserve to go, didn't you?

Or are you planning on answering the question as ... you know ... it was actually asked?

Nobody deserves to go to hell. There's no "Arab phone", (or whatever racist term you want to call it) about it.

You asked:

Does it make you feel better that no one ... and I mean NO ONE ... is going to go to Hell that doesn't deserve to go?
Which is a loaded question.

In reality, the answer is "Yes". I feel better no one is going to hell because there is no hell.
But in your mythology, the answer is "No" because I believe nobody would deserve hell, regardless of what God says. If he made me with more compassion than he has, then that's his own problem.

You've loaded your question with the presupposition that some people would deserve to go to hell.

Loaded questions don't get a simple yes/no answer.
 
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I feel better no one is going to hell because there is no hell.
I didn't say that, did I?

I said that doesn't deserve to go.

You are really struggling with this, aren't you?
 
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