A Pondering of the Peculiar

[46AND2]

How do YOU feel love or joy or jealousy? You are made in the IMAGE of God, that's to say you have some special qualities that God gave you that are different than animals.

What would stimulate emotion in God? His people!!! Wether they turn away or follow Him, he acts accordingly.

I don't understand your logic in the indistinguishable of a truthful or decietful god? Plus use a capital G not a lowercase, because there are plenty gods out there that aren't God.

You can't put yourself into a Creator's shoe, your mind just can't grasp what it's like to be God. You are a created being, your mind is limited.

If an omnipotent god were a liar, he'd be a perfect liar, hence how could you tell that he was lying?

 

[SkyWriting]

How are we to know that the Devil didn't write the Bible by whispering in the ears of the inspired?

By the results. Duh.
Read from the Satanic Bible and see.
Does it seem like the same author to you?

 

[SkyWriting]

If an omnipotent god were a liar, he'd be a perfect liar, hence how could you tell that he was lying?

There can be no perfect liar. But good try.

 

[FredHoyle]

Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Who was God talking to when he supposedly said that? who wrote it down and who heard God say it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Who was God talking to when he supposedly said that? who wrote it down and who heard God say it?

What does it matter, as far as my point is concerned?

 

[bhsmte]

Mmm, not really. It's a factor, I suppose, when it comes to deism...but with theism it has more to do with god's infinite, or near infinite attributes, and the logical ramifications concerning the interaction with the finite.

It came about when contemplating what it would mean to be limitless, and putting myself in gods shoes, as it were.

By way of another example...how can an omnipotent/omniscient being feel love, or any emotion for that matter? Emotions are simply reactions to stimuli. What could stimulate emotion in an all knowing/powerful being?

Definitely has nothing to do with evil, though, despite my comment yesterday. That would only counter the typical attributes assigned to the Christian god by humans. An evil god is no more or less likely to exist than a good one. So evil has no bearing on my atheism; just on how the Christian god is typically defined. But as I said way early in this thread, the bible written by a deceitful god would be indistinguishable from the bible written by a truthful one.

I think you and I have similar thought processes and somewhat similar paths with being former christians.

To me, it comes down to looking at the claims, examining the historicity of the claims and then examining the evidence in the real world as to the probability these claims can be true.

When I engaged in the above at an in depth level with christianity, I simply could not reconcile the story with reality. Would a loving God send his son to save mankind and then only expose him to small parts of the population? No, I don't think he would put so many at a disadvantage, if he was an all loving God about all his creation. Would an all loving God allow man to suffer on earth for a minimum of 100,000 years before sending a savior to save mankind? No, I don't think he would. Would an all loving God allow people to dump their sins on one man no matter how severe and still allow them to experience eternal paradise, all while those who don't believe, but live a caring life, are doomed? No, I don't think an all loving God would do such a thing. Would an all loving God allow millions of children to die an agonizing death each year? No, I don't believe he would. The problem with the credibility of the NT go quite deep and just add more fuel to the fire of the story not being one I can reconcile.

So, the God of the bible is the least probable truth IMO. A universal non-personal God has a better probability of existence, but still unlikely IMO. The existence of no God is the most probable IMO, according to the available evidence and realities of the world we live in.

 

[anyathesword]

If an omnipotent god were a liar, he'd be a perfect liar, hence how could you tell that he was lying?

If you had a guide that was The Truth than you would know right away

But this doesn't exist, not even logically.

 

[anyathesword]

I think you and I have similar thought processes and somewhat similar paths with being former christians.

To me, it comes down to looking at the claims, examining the historicity of the claims and then examining the evidence in the real world as to the probability these claims can be true.

When I engaged in the above at an in depth level with christianity, I simply could not reconcile the story with reality. Would a loving God send his son to save mankind and then only expose him to small parts of the population? No, I don't think he would put so many at a disadvantage, if he was an all loving God about all his creation. Would an all loving God allow man to suffer on earth for a minimum of 100,000 years before sending a savior to save mankind? No, I don't think he would. Would an all loving God allow people to dump their sins on one man no matter how severe and still allow them to experience eternal paradise, all while those who don't believe, but live a caring life, are doomed? No, I don't think an all loving God would do such a thing. Would an all loving God allow millions of children to die an agonizing death each year? No, I don't believe he would. The problem with the credibility of the NT go quite deep and just add more fuel to the fire of the story not being one I can reconcile.

So, the God of the bible is the least probable truth IMO. A universal non-personal God has a better probability of existence, but still unlikely IMO. The existence of no God is the most probable IMO, according to the available evidence and realities of the world we live in.

You are looking at God from your point of view, the mind of a man. Of course you are not going to understand God.

Teachings of other men, are they 100 percent true? Or do they claim to be 100 percent true? No, men lead men astray. God gave us the Bible to know what is 100 percent true. God does not lead men astray.

The most important thing about the Bible is WHAT is written in it. Yes we discrepancies, questions, thoughts about who wrote each book. But does that really matter as long as God through His DIRECT révélations through men, got everything He said written down correctly?

Jesus wrote this in the last Book of Révélations 1:1-3:

" The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."


The LAST book in the Bible, REVELATION was the LAST time that God would speak to men directly to write down what He said. God stopped this after Jesus, His Son.

NO OTHER book written after Révélations is a direct revelation from God.



People who stoned Jesus and crucified Him on the Cross didn't believe He was the Messiah. So what difference would it have made if Jesus walked all the way around the world? People who were with Him, didn't believe.

No man is without excuse, to lay down their life for Jesus, just as He did for all mankind. Jesus is the most holy and loving God, why would someone not want to choose His way?

(I know the answer)

 

[Delphiki]

If you had a guide that was The Truth than you would know right away

But this doesn't exist, not even logically.

Same with any omnipotent, omniscient, and just deity. It's a logical impossibility.

 

[selfinflikted]

By the results. Duh.
Read from the Satanic Bible and see.
Does it seem like the same author to you?

No, because the author of the Satanic Bible is Anton LaVey, not Satan. He was a hipster from the 20th century (that's LaVey, not Satan).

 

[bhsmte]

You are looking at God from your point of view, the mind of a man. Of course you are not going to understand God.

Teachings of other men, are they 100 percent true? Or do they claim to be 100 percent true? No, men lead men astray. God gave us the Bible to know what is 100 percent true. God does not lead men astray.

The most important thing about the Bible is WHAT is written in it. Yes we discrepancies, questions, thoughts about who wrote each book. But does that really matter as long as God through His DIRECT révélations through men, got everything He said written down correctly?

Jesus wrote this in the last Book of Révélations 1:1-3:

" The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."


The LAST book in the Bible, REVELATION was the LAST time that God would speak to men directly to write down what He said. God stopped this after Jesus, His Son.

NO OTHER book written after Révélations is a direct revelation from God.



People who stoned Jesus and crucified Him on the Cross didn't believe He was the Messiah. So what difference would it have made if Jesus walked all the way around the world? People who were with Him, didn't believe.

No man is without excuse, to lay down their life for Jesus, just as He did for all mankind. Jesus is the most holy and loving God, why would someone not want to choose His way?

(I know the answer)

Anya,

You seem to have difficulty grasping what I have explained before. I don't put the same credibility into the bible that you do. Just as, you choose to not accept the evidence for evolution as I do. Make sense?

Throwing scripture around is meaningless to me, because I have taken the time and energy to investigate the historicity of the book. Just as, I have taken the time and energy to examine the evidence that explains the real world we have available to us.

You put the bible above all else, which is your choice. I put the acknowledgement of reality through objective evidence as my primary determinate of truth.

 

[anyathesword]

By the results. Duh.
Read from the Satanic Bible and see.
Does it seem like the same author to you?

Woaah, good point.
But Id be scared to death to read from that book. It's evil and scary.

Here is another part that is in one of my books "Know Thine Enemy". It is from the Covenant of Samyaza, a demonic channeled message to a coven leader.

"We gazed upon the earth and longed for the joys of materiality...
And we resolved to join with Nephilim on Earth, to break the chains of Demiurge (God), and elevate Man unto the heights, to be as gods, as Satanael had promised, and to dwell with them in building civilization. For we brought with us the knowledge and secrets of Kosmos and Earth, as may be useful to Man though the Gift which Satanael had imparted. As we bequeathed the Daimonic (demon) Seed unto Man through his daughters, that he may be bred upward unto godhood.
And Micheal declared unto me that the greatest crime had been committed by laying with the daughters of Man, to enjoy a carnal life and children, for such is not Angels and Sons of God. And when our sons, Gibborim, shall be slain before our eyes, we shall be bound underneath Earth, after which we would burn and perish.
Even your Final Judgment after this Deluge is witness to your inability to keep quenched the spark within Man, and the spirits of Nephilim and Gibborim and Watchers shall return to inspire Man, lest he again become as the beasts of the field."

That's your lying god for you!! Creepy or what?!! Interestingly ites talking about Genesis 6 from a Satanic perspective.

 

[anyathesword]

Same with any omnipotent, omniscient, and just deity. It's a logical impossibility.

No it's not!

 

[anyathesword]

No, because the author of the Satanic Bible is Anton LaVey, not Satan. He was a hipster from the 20th century (that's LaVey, not Satan).

So?? His inspiration comes from Satan!!

 

[selfinflikted]

So?? His inspiration comes from Satan!!

Clearly, you haven't a clue about the Satanic Bible, nor Satanism. Satanists, of the LaVeyian variety at least, do not believe Satan (or god, for that matter) even exist.

 

[bhsmte]

So?? His inspiration comes from Satan!!

How did Satan deliver the inspiration to the author?

 

[Delphiki]

No it's not!

There is suffering in the world.

If God is omnipotent and omniscient, then he is capable of stopping all suffering without effort (omnipotent), knows of the suffering (omniscient), but is unwilling to stop it: unjust

If God is omnipotent and just, then he is capable of stopping all suffering without effort (omnipotent), is willing to prevent suffering (just), but doesn't know about it: not omniscient

If God is just and omniscient, then he is willing to prevent all suffering (just), knows about the suffering (omniscient), but is incapable of stopping it: not omnipotent

You can't have all three as long as there is suffering in the world.

Conclusion: Either God isn't all three, there is no suffering in the world, or God doesn't exist.

Take your pick.

 

[biggles53]

Well what kind of procédures?

And I would respect the wishes of my family member, if they had certian requests..

But the answer is probably no, I wouldn't deny them medical care.

How is that a bump for me?

You really know nothing about evolution do you...? You've just created a bogeyman around itbecause youve been taught that it somehow threatens belief in your god.

Many of the drugs and vaccines we use to combat disease have been developedDIRECTLY as a result of applying evolutionary theory. If you have children and want to protect them from diseases like polio, for example, you will have evolutionary theory to thank for that...

This kind of hypocrisy is common...."Evolution is a lie.....oh, but please save my baby...!"

 

[Delphiki]

This kind of hypocrisy is common...."Evolution is a lie.....oh, but please save my baby...!"

Or, how about:

The earth is 10,000 years old... I learned this when I drove my oil-lubricated SUV that runs on petrol to church last Sunday.

 

[Loudmouth]

There is suffering in the world.

If God is omnipotent and omniscient, then he is capable of stopping all suffering without effort (omnipotent), knows of the suffering (omniscient), but is unwilling to stop it: unjust

If God is omnipotent and just, then he is capable of stopping all suffering without effort (omnipotent), is willing to prevent suffering (just), but doesn't know about it: not omniscient

If God is just and omniscient, then he is willing to prevent all suffering (just), knows about the suffering (omniscient), but is incapable of stopping it: not omnipotent

You can't have all three as long as there is suffering in the world.

Conclusion: Either God isn't all three, there is no suffering in the world, or God doesn't exist.

Take your pick.

"“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
--Epicurus