What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[GenemZ]

The flesh isn't what is reborn. Its the soul. You argue as if the flesh is redeemed and has life. The soul is what is redeemed and born again. Remember a verse that says the soul that sinneth it shall die. (Eze 18:4, 20.)

Actually... Right now? God sees you as if your flesh has died. Died on the Cross with Christ. You have been crucified with Christ. All believers have been.

That is why the sins of your flesh could never be counted against you in the final evaluation of all believers. When the time comes the Lord will only look at our works for our evaluation.

Wood, hay, and stubble = works done in the flesh. Burned up, and eternal rewards lost!

Gold, silver, and precious stones = works done by means of truth in the Spirit. Survive the fire, and are made into our crowns (rewards).

Our sins can never be counted against us because we have DIED with Christ on the Cross! We have been crucified with Christ. If we are to live? It can not be by our flesh. We must live by the Truth we have learned and believe. By Faith. We live in Christ by faith. All our living on earth should be by the faith we possess until we receive our resurrection body like the Lord's. Then we will be alive in body and Spirit.

Now I want to ask you to explain if we're delivered from the penalty of the law why anyone should keep the law? After there is no penalty anymore so why not sin, it doesn't matter. While you're at it please tell what the difference is between that and the cheap grace talked about here in GT.

If we walk in the Spirit we are not under the Law. Why? Because while we are being controlled by the Spirit we can not sin. Ironically? Those who wish to keep the Sabbath? Could only do so, if they are living in their flesh by sinning. They are not controlled by the Spirit. Which actually... explains his ritual of choosing. Pride is sin. Even, if its religious pride.

 

[GenemZ]

Interesting.

My question then becomes what constitutes rest? Is it the restraint of doing anything that could possibly be construed to be work?

Work is what a believer does when he tries to keep the Law. Always working to do the right thing. When your nature is transformed to do the right thing? You enter God's rest. Ironically, we need to work. Work at concentrating on gaining more and more in the realm of Truth, all the while resisting the devil, and then lean upon God's grace to make our life become a reality in his power.

When we mature in knowledge and understanding, then we enter into God's rest. Those who keep on working to please God by means of following the Law will never enter his rest.

 

[isleof]

When we mature in knowledge and understanding, then we enter into God's rest. Those who keep on working to please God by means of following the Law will never enter his rest.

As if the Holy Spirit isn't already the guide.
What law are you even talking about? Discipline? Discipline is good.

All the grace only crowd, will want to kick themselves in the head when they figure out that the only law Jesus was speaking against was the man made laws, such as do not touch, do not taste. For example, don't touch that food until you wash your hands. Don't touch that animal and then touch your food without washing your hands. Don't forget to put down the toilet seat.

 

[MoreCoffee]

As if the Holy Spirit isn't already the guide.
What law are you even talking about? Discipline? Discipline is good.

All the grace only crowd, will want to kick themselves in the head when they figure out that the only law Jesus was speaking against was the man made laws, such as do not touch, do not taste. For example, don't touch that food until you wash your hands. Don't touch that animal and then touch your food without washing your hands. Don't forget to put down the toilet seat.

It's a good thing that saint Paul explained very clearly that the ten commandments are the ministry of death and the ministry of condemnation isn't it? Check Second Corinthians chapter three.

 

[isleof]

It's a good thing that saint Paul explained very clearly that the ten commandments are the ministry of death and the ministry of condemnation isn't it? Check Second Corinthians chapter three.

Jesus already died for all the sins humans have commited. Go and sin no more. Ain't anybody that thinks Gods will is to murder and steal and covet?

Paul left Saul long long ago.

Here's a big clue, the Spirit of God doesn't lead any to commit such works against the Law of God. Love doesn't ever break the law. By the beautiful and wonderful grace of God we are free to walk in the law of God and serve Him as He alone see's fit.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Interesting to see how this religion you've proposed is developing. So since the ten commandments are - according to Paul - a law which brings death and condemnation what is your proposal regarding seventh day observance? Are those who adopt the religion that you're propounding obligated to keep Sabbath on Saturday?

 

[isleof]

Who wants to continue in sin and claim God is their God?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Who wants to continue in sin and claim God is their God?

So, is it your religion that teaches that working on Saturday is a sin? I await your reply with interest.

 

[isleof]

Interesting to see how this religion you've proposed is developing. So since the ten commandments are - according to Paul - a law which brings death and condemnation what is your proposal regarding seventh day observance? Are those who adopt the religion that you're propounding obligated to keep Sabbath on Saturday?

Who wants to worship God and rest on a certain day? I say yes, worship God and rest, it is good. Who wants to attempt to condemn those that observe the sabbath? Do not judge according to the holy days. Is God the judge of the hearts and knoweth all that is in the heart and mind?

I hear that there are divisions among you, it ought not be.

All are one in God the Father.

The sabbath is made for man to worship God and rest from the labors. It is a gift and a blessing.

If one chooses to work on the sabbath, in the Lord, then the deeds are good. It is always acceptable to do good.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So Saturday is an ordinary working day, right?

 

[isleof]

So, is it your religion that teaches that working on Saturday is a sin? I await your reply with interest.

It is always acceptable to do good. Work or dont work, God is the judge alone of every deed and knoweth the hearts and minds.

Man is unworthy of judging man over God. God alone is the judge. Let God be true and all that disagree with God be liars.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It is always acceptable to do good. Work or dont work, God is the judge alone of every deed and knoweth the hearts and minds.

Man is unworthy of judging man over God. God alone is the judge. Let God be true and all that disagree with God be liars.

Is it a KJV-ish religion. I ask because you wrote "knoweth" and folk don't talk that way nowadays.

 

[isleof]

So Saturday is an ordinary working day, right?

If that is your direction that God leads you to. That is between you, MoreCoffee, and God. Who am I to say otherwise.

 

[isleof]

Is it a KJV-ish religion. I ask because you wrote "knoweth" and folk don't talk that way nowadays.

As if that is a bad thing.
Im sure that a KJV-ish religion doesn't exists.

 

[MoreCoffee]

If that is your direction that God leads you to. That is between you, MoreCoffee, and God. Who am I to say otherwise.

Well, your posts are pretty preachy and that makes it seem like you want to be telling other people how to live.

So, Saturday is an ordinary day? Not holy or something?

 

[MoreCoffee]

It is always acceptable to do good. Work or dont work, God is the judge alone of every deed and knoweth the hearts and minds.

Man is unworthy of judging man over God. God alone is the judge. Let God be true and all that disagree with God be liars.

Is it a KJV-ish religion. I ask because you wrote "knoweth" and folk don't talk that way nowadays.

As if that is a bad thing.
Im sure that a KJV-ish religion doesn't exists.

It is kind of bad. Most people who use the KJV don't seem to know what all the antiquated words mean - they know some of them but they get a lot wrong. The bible wasn't written by KJ you know

 

[isleof]

Well, your posts are pretty preachy and that makes it seem like you want to be telling other people how to live.

So, Saturday is an ordinary day? Not holy or something?

If I said all that God requires, do you condemn me for that?

Any day that God says is Holy, is Holy.

Do you need to ask me what day is holy?

 

[isleof]

It is kind of bad. Most people who use the KJV don't seem to know what all the antiquated words mean - they know some of them but they get a lot wrong. The bible wasn't written by KJ you know

God is always good.

 

[Elder 111]

Using a computer is a necessity because you're hungry?

Then I should not say reason but principle. Indeed the same principle was there when Jesus heal so many on the Sabbath at the objection of the Jews. It is about doing good. When I come on this forum on the Sabbath how is that not going good if you object?

 

[MoreCoffee]

God is always good.

Yes, of course, but the KJV isn't.