What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[theinvisible]

Elder111? What is your opinion of the ten commandments? Good or bad?

 

[GenemZ]

Adultery, stealing and coveting part of the Ten Commandments are shadows of the the real too?

You must understand that those laws at one time were seen as odd. Committing adultery, even sodomy was acceptable to many of the pagans. The Law has influenced the entire world. The understanding about these sins now have been conditioned into men culturally, not by the Law.

 

[theinvisible]

You must understand that those laws at one time were seen as odd. Committing adultery, even sodomy was acceptable to many of the pagans. The Law has influenced the entire world. The understanding about these sins now have been conditioned into men culturally, not by the Law.

All sins are accepted by beasts.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You must understand that those laws at one time were seen as odd. Committing adultery, even sodomy was acceptable to many of the pagans. The Law has influenced the entire world. The understanding about these sins now have been conditioned into men culturally, not by the Law.

That is not true.

The flood of Noah was sent because of unrighteousness and corruption of all flesh in mixing of kinds in unlawful fornication and by genetic manipulation when the sons of God took daughters of Adam as wives and got offspring through them, who likewise corrupted all flesh on earth -all the kinds- and who did every manner of wickedness against God.

So God sent the flood to cleanse the earth, and those 8 who came off the Ark knew why the Flood was sent and why Noah preached righteousness for 120 years before it, and knew that God was Holy.
The Noahide laws were delivered to all the descendants of Noah, but men again left off following God in wisdom, virtue and truth, and many began to go astray, until they built the Tower of Babel "to heaven" so as to ascend another way than what God had ordained when He cast Adam down and out of heaven [Paradise is int he third heaven, where Adam got cast down from at the fall].
So God took seventy angels who stood before Him and came down and confounded the mother tongue into 70, and men scattered over the face of the earth, and many went into many idolatries, over time; but Noah and Shem were alive at the fall of the tower and never stopped preaching righteousness and truth, and many of their descendants believed in and followed YHWH -like Abraham, who lived with Noah and Shem for 39 years and came out from their house the year the Tower fell.

They had the Book of Enoch, and they had other books from before the flood, and they had Noah until Abraham was 58 years old. Shem outlived Abraham, even, and was the blessed patriarchal high priest of the Most High God, at Salem, dwelling at Mount Moriah.

Men were high in technology, but became foolish when they departed from God's ways -and God sent dark ages upon them to set them back from doing whatever they imagined to do, as God said, beginning at the Flood; then at Babel; and at every destruction of every high technology civilization since, so that His one plan would not be interfered with until it is complete in all its parts, and the last harvest of sons of God in the New Man name are harvested from the earth.

 

[from scratch]

It does not say that Elder.


Galatians 2:16-17

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.



It also speaks of the foods found in the Law. Were there special days for certain foods, now? New moons happened every month. Like clockwork actually. Nothing special there is mentioned. The Sabbath is not speaking of only the special Sabbaths. It would have said so if it were the case. In the mean time..

You're really beginning to sound like the kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

I need some verification. Did you say a while back you're raised as a Jew in a Jewish family? I want to respond to another poster.

 

[theinvisible]

I need some verification. Did you say a while back you're raised as a Jew in a Jewish family?

Laws should be done away with, we should be free to kill and steal freely scratch. I hear you.

 

[GenemZ]

That is not true.

You're mixing apples with oranges. The Law came much later.

The Law was given long after the flood.

Why were the prohibitions given? So Israel would not be like the nations around them. Nations around them accepted all the sins forbidden to the Jews in the Law. Just read all the things condemned in Leviticus 18, and you will see that what Israel was commanded not to do by God were seen as being normal in the other lands.

Leviticus 18:1-5

The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them:
‘I am the Lord your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt,
where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the
land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their
practices. You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my
decrees. I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and laws,
for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
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[theinvisible]

Nations around them accepted all the sins forbidden

Yeah. Isn't that what Paul is saying in the NT? Reject all the laws and live as you want, Jesus forgave it all?

 

[GenemZ]

Yeah. Isn't that what Paul is saying in the NT? Reject all the laws and live as you want, Jesus forgave it all?

Paul taught all the principles of sin and how they could destroy the spiritual life. Where have you been? Were one of those who was always asleep in church?

 

[GenemZ]

I need some verification. Did you say a while back you're raised as a Jew in a Jewish family? I want to respond to another poster.

My father was one of the men who helped organizing the building the synagogue where I lived. Yes.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by genez

You must understand that those laws at one time were seen as odd. Committing adultery, even sodomy was acceptable to many of the pagans.
The Law has influenced the entire world. The understanding about these sins now have been conditioned into men culturally, not by the Law.
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Is that a good thing or bad thing? Don't a lot of cultures have their own kind of laws and punishment?

All sins are accepted by beasts.

Huh?


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[theinvisible]

Paul taught all the principles of sin and how they could destroy the spiritual life. Where have you been? Were one of those who was always asleep in church?

Your wrong. The law doesn't matter anymore.

 

[theinvisible]

Don't a lot of cultures have their own kind of laws and punishment?

Yep.

We aren't under theyre laws either. God is better. The law against eating pig is bad. Who cares about health anyway. We can eat anything we want to.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by genez

Paul taught all the principles of sin and how they could destroy the spiritual life. Where have you been? Were one of those who was always asleep in church?
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Your wrong. The law doesn't matter anymore.

It does if you get stopped doing a 100mph in a 20mph school zone here in God's country of Texas......

http://www.christianforums.com/t7428005/
The law was abolished.

Why does it matter to you whether the Law was abolished or not ? How does the Law existing nullify anything that Jesus did ?

It doesn't matter to me . The Law wasn't written to me - it was written to Israelites who didn't want to see the Lord face-to-face on the mountain when given the opportunity . It was written to them to give to their descendants . It was given to them to obey in the land to be given to them as a community . That has nothing to do with me . Does any of that have anything to do with you ?

So , let it exist . We both know that christian groups have more laws than you can shake a stick at for requirements that make a lot less sense than the Law .

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[GenemZ]

Your wrong. The law doesn't matter anymore.

The law of what constitutes sin remains. It has been DEFINED by the Law for all to know. If the Law remained? People would not simply be told that they sin and need a savior. They would be stoned to death in many cases. God did not change what constitutes sin. He simply changed the consequences of certain sins that were once included in the Law.

 

[theinvisible]

It does if you get stopped doing a 100mph in a 20mph school zone here in God's country of Texas......

That is mans law. God is already greater. Besides that, all law is done away with and we are now free to follow the autobahnen rules.

 

[GenemZ]

Is that a good thing or bad thing? Don't a lot of cultures have their own kind of laws and punishment?
Huh?

We are not talking about today's cultures.

Read what the cultures around the Jews felt was normal to do.


Leviticus 18

Unlawful Sexual Relations

18 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

It does if you get stopped doing a 100mph in a 20mph school zone here in God's country of Texas......
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That is mans law. God is already greater. Besides that, all law is done away with and we are now free to follow the autobahnen rules.

I am with ya on that!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7495160-52/#post55593096
Tyndale and defying the Pope [poll thread]

A clergyman hopelessly entrenched in Roman Catholic dogma once taunted Tyndale with the statement, “We are better to be without God’s laws than the Pope’s”.

Tyndale was infuriated by such Roman Catholic heresies, and he replied, “I defy the Pope and all his laws.
If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the scriptures than you!”

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[Elder 111]

Elder111? What is your opinion of the ten commandments? Good or bad?

I accept that biblical position. Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

[Elder 111]

You must understand that those laws at one time were seen as odd. Committing adultery, even sodomy was acceptable to many of the pagans. The Law has influenced the entire world. The understanding about these sins now have been conditioned into men culturally, not by the Law.

So Noah, Adam, Enoch and Abraham were part of this behavior too? You see what you have done? Instead of upholding the holy character of God and His Ten Commandments you have painted a muddy picture of humanity simply because you don't want to admit that we as God' people must live as He requires us to, and that part of that requirement is expressed in the Ten Commandments.
Why would God sanction the removal of the Ten commandments that starts by asking His people to worship Him alone? No one will dare answer that question. Not One!