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Paul (Saul) of Tarsus, a Masonic Infiltrator of Christianity?

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Paul was familiar with the mystery schools of the time, like Mithra, etc., as evident with his comments in 2 Thessalonians 2:7. About a mystery of iniquity already at work. Mithra, the Romans & Greek world had the masonic type mysteries school, were their rituals were similar to early Christians'. This is why early critics, like Celsus, & others, charged that the early Christian borrowed their rituals from the mystery schools. Cases in point, in Greek & Roman stone monuments of marriage, hand clasps are often depicted. Well, in tying the knot, or hand fasting hand clasps are also done in Christian weddings down through the centuries to this day. Paul talks of this in Ephesians 5:31-32, the joining together of the bride and groom in a great mystery. Thousands art works show different types of hand & wrist grips being done in Christian weddings ceremonies down through the centuries, so there's no point, if one was to attempt to, in claiming that historic biblical Christianity "does not" have masonic type hand clasps, when they do. The historical fact is that masonry, freemasonry got a lot of their hand clasping rituals as they were fraternalized further in what Christian Knight Orders did. The Knight Templars, etc. The coronation ceremonies of ascension to the throne of Christian kings. The swearing of oaths on the bible, or holy books, as done by Christian Kings, Queens, Knights, Nobles, Earls, & Barons, have their roots in early Christian mysteries, masses, liturgical dramas. These rituals are full of hand clasping, garment wearings, anointings, washing away of sins in baptism. As noted in the writings of the early to later Christian church fathers, like Gregory of Nyssa, Cyril of Jerusalem, his Lectures on the Mysteries, etc. etc. Even the early to later critics knew about and asked about the "secret signs," symbols and tinkle done in hand clasps. This hand clasp was done so that the early Christians would know that they were talking to a fellow Christian, and thus could talk openly, during days of persecutions. The fish symbol was a secret symbol done during the days of persecutions too. Apostates from the early Church admitted that they took oaths, but that they weren't conspiratorial as critics alleged. Instead they were to do no wrong. Oaths, vows have been passed down in historic Christianity, & were fraternalized in masonry, and adopted by the courts, & political swearing in to government positions, like in police force, army, courts, & to become President of the USA. All these have their roots in masonry, which go back into the mystery religions, including Christianity. The garments with symbols on them, are seen all over historic Christian art works too. Even later anti-Christians like T. W. Doane, late 19th century, in his "Bible Myths," charged that the Christians' robes had masonic type symbols in them. White Robes represented having been washed clean in the blood of Christ. White Baptismal robes represented also the resurrection which is why Easter became a favorite time to get baptized and Whitesunday kept these traditions alive. Now the custom of giving new clothing on Easter goes back to these earlier ritualistic traditions. Christ blood is said to take off the spots of sin, for you don't want to have spotted robes on before Christ's judgment, so spotted with sin that they are black (Which is why Satanists & rockers, & Goths like to wear black, it's a reversal of the Whitesunday into Black Sabbath). In Christian art, people are depicted washing their clothing in the blood of Christ as it flows down from the cross. Thus, they are washing away the spots of sins, symbolically, thus having dumped their filthy rags for new clean clothing, having put of the man of sin, and put on the robes of righteousness, as many early Christian fathers write about. These robes were protective too, for numerous art works show naked souls being clothed in them as they ride up into heaven on them, or are clothed in them, before they go into paradise. With protective angels that fight off the demons shooting arrows at them, they are wrapped in the protective blanket as they ascend. Or wrapped in the protective cloak of the Santa Maria, the Virgin Mary, as many art works show this huge cloak that is used to wrap around souls under her arms.

Hand & wrist clasping, like what the masons do, are also seen in thousands of art work all over historic biblical Christianity, which is where the masons get some of their mysteries from. They were the stone carvers of them, and knew what they looked like. They fraternalized them in their Orders. Google image Christ's descent into limbo, hell, hades, the Anastasis, purgatory. Also: The creation of Adam & Eve. Christ's ascension into heaven. Etc. So did Paul bring in masonry into the church. No, he was taught by the Apostles who learned if from Christ, during the 40 days after his resurrection, when he appeared to them. Christ's world wide trek, where he wanders around the world in different guises, (Matthew 25), also has hand clasping in the art too, Christ as a Pilgrim, Fra Angelico 1440, case in point in many. When Christ resurrects the dead out of Hades, as in thousands of icons, in iconography. The favorite way to depict this is to show Christ lifting up Adam & Eve up out of Coffins, or an open pit, by hand & wrist grasping. (Isa. 42:5-6; Eph. 4:10-14; 1 Peter 3:15-22; 4:5-6, Anna D. Kartsonis, Anastasis, The Making of An Image, (Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1986). The gloves that mason use is not new either, earlier cardinals, and bishops are often depicted with gloves on with monial symbols in the middle of the hand, symbolic of Christ's nail wound. These gloves are clasped in different ways, during the kiss of peace, or in paying homage to the religious leader, including before Christian kings. More could be said about this, but here's a start.


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Ephesians 6:10-19; Rev. 19:7-14; etc. David's Psalms. The Old Testament is filled with washing away of spots on robes, or washing of the blood of sins, the spotless lamb representing the Messiah. Early Church fathers used these types of Christ's atonement in talking about baptism and the garments used in the mysteries as a type of taking off the old man of sin and putting on spotless and clean white garments of purity. Some of the ones who wrote about this are: Clement of Alexandria, Cyril of Jerusalem, Lectures on the Mysteries; Gregory of Nyssa, On The Baptism of Christ; etc.

A. S. Garretson, Primitive Christianity And Early Criticism, (Boston: Sherman, French & Company, 1912).

R. Joseph Hoffmann, (translator) Celsus On The True Doctrine, (A Discourse Against the early Christians), (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1987).

Robert Louis Wilken, The Christians As The Romans Saw Them, (Yale University Press; New Haven and London, 1984).

Stephen Benko, Pagan Rome And The Early Christians, (Indiana: Indiana University Press, 1984).

T. W. Doane, Bible Myth, And Their Parallels In Other Religions, (New York: The Truth Seeker Company, 1882 & 1910).

W. H. C. Frend, Martyrdom & Persecution In The Early Church, (Garden City, New York: Anchor Books Doubleday & Company, 1967).

Colleen McDannell and Bernhard Lang, Heaven: A History, (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1988).

Francis Legge, Forerunners And Rivals Of Christianity, (From 330 B.C. TO 330 A.D.), 2 Volumes as 1, (New Hyde Park, New York: University Books, 1964).

Fredk, WM. Hackwood, F.R.S.L., Christ Lore (Being the Legends, Traditions, Myths, Symbols, & Superstitions of The Christian Church), (London: 1902, republished, Detroit: Gale Research Company, Book Tower, 1969).

George Ferguson, Signs & Symbols In Christian Art, (New York: Oxford University Press, 1959).

Goblet D'Alviella, (The Count), The Migration of Symbols, (Westminster, 1894, reproduced by University Books, 1956).

Hanns Swarzenski, Monuments Of Romanesque Art, The Art of Church Treasures in North-Western Europe, (The University of Chicago Press, 1954 and 2nd, Edition, 1967).

Heather Child and Dorothy Colles, 1971, Christian Symbols Ancient & Modern, (Charles Scribner’s Sons, Great Britain).

Henry Ansgar Kelly, The Devil at baptism: Ritual, Theology, and Drama, (Ithaca and London: Cornell University Press, 1985).

John P. Lundy, Monumental Christianity, Or the Art and Symbolism of the Primitive Church, (New York: J. W. Bouton, 1875 & 1882).

Darell Thorpe, The Armor of Gods (Protective Skins or Garments in History & Color Symbolism, (Kindle Edition). Also: The Christ in Santa Claus Unmasked, (Kindle Edition); And: Jesus Christ, The World Wide Wounded Wanderer, (Kindle Edition). Upon Them Hath the Light Shine, (Kindle Edition).
 
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If anyone thinks that Paul contradicts Jesus, they either don't understand Paul or they don't understand Jesus, or both.

And/or the whole of Christianity (catholic or reformed) is stillborn or apostate for having accepted the books as part of Holy Writ.
 
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Hi, Mark!



Yep, just like the Boy Scouts. And, you know, there are Lutherans who forbid membership in the Boy Scouts on the same basis! Personally, I've considered it but can't be persuaded by that argument. Many organizations we belong to, from college fraternities to the Rotary, are multi-denominational and even have members who are not religious at all--which makes their membership more diverse than the Masons are.

Hi Albion:wave:,

While Lutheran Church Canada and the LCMS do not forbid membership in Scouting; judging by recent changes in policy regarding a number of things in Scouting Canada, I would tend to side with my friends in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod who do.:thumbsup:


If you've been taught Gnosticism by the Masons, I'll defer to you. From all that I know, however, this is a supposition that's been made and then repeated in books and online but isn't true. How, by the way, does one "teach Gnosticism?"
What else are secrets kept for a select few for the guise of enlightenment, but Gnosticism; and we are not even talking about the so-called gnosticism of the certain Christian groups which were declared heretical in days gone by.

Then I'd recommend all Confessional Lutherans to follow their own churches' views on this matter, but that still doesn't make the allegations correct. My church BTW does not have a policy against Masonic membership, and even many of the clergy are Masons, as was a recent Archbishop of Canterbury and members of the Royal family.
And we do. Regarding the Archbishop of Canterbury and members of the Royal family; if my neighbor jumps off a bridge; that is no reason for to do so.;)

If anyone thinks that Paul contradicts Jesus, they either don't understand Paul or they don't understand Jesus, or both.

And/or the whole of Christianity (catholic or reformed) is stillborn or apostate for having accepted the books as part of Holy Writ.

If one doesn't understand Paul through Jesus and apostles, he is farther from the truth!

I'll fourth that!:thumbsup:
 
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Hi Albion:wave:,

And we do. Regarding the Archbishop of Canterbury and members of the Royal family; if my neighbor jumps off a bridge; that is no reason for to do so.;)
So there is no particular reason why I should follow like a lemming and be guided by the mistake made by the smaller Lutheran churches (but not the largest Lutheran church in North America) with regard to Masonry. I agree.

What else are secrets kept for a select few for the guise of enlightenment
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You keep your own passwords secret, don't you? Does that make you a Gnostic? Of course not, and the same goes for fraternities.
 
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So there is no particular reason why I should follow like a lemming and be guided by the mistake made by the smaller Lutheran churches (but not the largest Lutheran church in North America) with regard to Masonry. I agree.

Scripture tells us that the path is narrow, and not easy; that in and of itself seems contradictory to a whole lot of stuff going on in that larger synod; but that is a topic for another thread.

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You keep your own passwords secret, don't you? Does that make you a Gnostic? Of course not, and the same goes for fraternities.
Albion, you know better.;)

Now that argument is just silly (unless one equates Hewlett-Packard with the "Great Architect", and even then, password and all, I still have not reached the level of enlightenment to where I understand how the darn thing works); few know what size my underwear is either (I keep that to myself), yet other than personal comfort, such "secret knowledge" has no link to spirituality.
 
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Scripture tells us that the path is narrow, and not easy; that in and of itself seems contradictory to a whole lot of stuff going on in that larger synod; but that is a topic for another thread.
Yes, but it is worth mentioning -- since Lutherans came in for a part in this discussion -- that the opposition to Masonry is characteristic only of the smaller Lutheran synods.

Albion, you know better.;)
What an odd thing to write. :confused:

You made a point about secrets...and I asked if you don't keep exactly the same kind of secret as Masons do (and get vilified for doing so). You do.

That seems entirely reasonable to point out, if you ask me. Or are you under the impression that Masons are pledged not to reveal a myriad of esoteric theories about life, history, and God?

They are not. That is a myth. It isn't true. It's a common misconception. How else can I put this so that there is no more misunderstanding?
 
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Yes, but it is worth mentioning -- since Lutherans came in for a part in this discussion -- that the opposition to Masonry is characteristic only of the smaller Lutheran synods.

Yup, the smaller Lutheran Synods; the whole of Roman Catholicism; and the whole of orthodoxy: Such is an overwhelming numeric majority of Christians world wide.


What an odd thing to write. :confused:

Not really, I tend sometimes to look at things from outside the box.;)
You made a point about secrets...and I asked if you don't keep exactly the same kind of secret as Masons do (and get vilified for doing so). You do.

That seems entirely reasonable to point out, if you ask me. Or are you under the impression that Masons are pledged not to reveal a myriad of esoteric theories about life, history, and God?

That is what Masons have told me.

They are not. That is a myth. It isn't true. It's a common misconception. How else can I put this so that there is no more misunderstanding?

Really? Three times in my life I have been approached to become a member of the Lodge; I was promised " a myriad of esoteric theories about life, history, and God" as well as "other advantages" all three times.
 
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Yup, the smaller Lutheran Synods; the whole of Roman Catholicism; and the whole of orthodoxy: Such is an overwhelming numeric majority of Christians world wide.

You are a Lutheran, are you not? You brought Lutheranism into the discussion. That's why it's relevant to point out that the largest of the Lutheran bodies in our area doesn't agree with you.


That is what Masons have told me.
I find that nearly impossible to believe. I suppose it's possible that they were very sloppy in their explanations, leading you to misunderstand. There is no question about what the actual answer is.

Really? Three times in my life I have been approached to become a member of the Lodge; I was promised " a myriad of esoteric theories about life, history, and God" as well as "other advantages" all three times.
I think you mean that they promised you education about subjects you may not have previously been aware of. That in no way means that it's a secret OR that it is forbidden for a Mason to simply tell you what it is.
 
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You are a Lutheran, are you not? You brought Lutheranism into the discussion. That's why it's relevant to point out that the largest of the Lutheran bodies in our area doesn't agree with you.

I guess it makes a difference if size matters;).



I find that nearly impossible to believe. I suppose it's possible that they were very sloppy in their explanations, leading you to misunderstand. There is no question about what the actual answer is.


I think you mean that they promised you education about subjects you may not have previously been aware of. That in no way means that it's a secret OR that it is forbidden for a Mason to simply tell you what it is.

Yes, that was the promise, to share knowledge with me that only Masons are party to; and that would be of great benefit to me.

Luther spoke of something similar, the selling of indulgences; if the Pope has the power to forgive sins, then he should do so for free, because it's the Christian thing to do. Likewise, if the Masons posses what has been claimed to me, that which would be of enormous benefit to all mankind, then they have a moral and ethical responsibility to impart such wisdom on everyone; not just those who wear the apron.

There is also the bit about divulging such secrets to non Masons warrents the death penalty (this I know from an ex-mason, not that it would happen today).

It seems like such would be serving two masters in my mind; and if what they say about their secrets; failing to serve their fellow man. Both are at odds with the Christian faith.:preach:
 
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I guess it makes a difference if size matters;).

Oh, the possible replies. Anyway, the point was less about size than unanimity--or the lack of it, to be more precise.

Yes, that was the promise, to share knowledge with me that only Masons are party to; and that would be of great benefit to me.
And you repeatedly refused it, as you told me earlier.

Luther spoke of something similar, the selling of indulgences; if the Pope has the power to forgive sins, then he should do so for free, because it's the Christian thing to do.
Just visit your local bookstore. There are innumerable books dealing with this material, many written by Masons themselves. As I've said before, we have no secrets other than passwords and grips, and you sure aren't about to give me your own ATM account or internet access passwords, so this is no issue at all.

If the Masons posses what has been claimed to me, that which would be of enormous benefit to all mankind, then they have a moral and ethical responsibility to impart such wisdom on everyone; not just those who wear the apron.

We have done that. What or whom do you think accounts in large part for our national independence, Constitution, freedoms, court systems, elected governments, and much more that's good in our history? Freemasonry. Of course, people nowadays take such things for granted and have no idea where they got them.

There is also the bit about divulging such secrets to non Masons warrents the death penalty (this I know from an ex-mason, not that it would happen today).
There isn't any such bit.

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Oh, the possible replies. Anyway, the point was less about size than unanimity--or the lack of it, to be more precise.


And you repeatedly refused it, as you told me earlier.


Just visit your local bookstore. There are innumerable books dealing with this material, many written by Masons themselves. As I've said before, we have no secrets other than passwords and grips, and you sure aren't about to give me your own ATM account or internet access passwords, so this is no issue at all.



We have done that. What or whom do you think accounts in large part for our national independence, Constitution, freedoms, court systems, elected governments, and much more that's good in our history? Freemasonry. Of course, people nowadays take such things for granted and have no idea where they got them.

All I can say is I know what I have been told.


There isn't any such bit.

:wave:

Actually, must disagree; he showed me the book for the first degree (I don't recall if it was blue lodge or red Scottish or English rite I believe) but he filled in the blanks with the "secret words", and numerous places the initiate vows to protect the "Secrets" or his throat would be cut. That I saw with my own eyes.

I respect that you, as a Mason, would not divulge these things, as you have taken a vow, on pain of death, not to.
 
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Really? Three times in my life I have been approached to become a member of the Lodge; I was promised " a myriad of esoteric theories about life, history, and God" as well as "other advantages" all three times.
If you were approached, then they weren't Masons. As such anything they tell you is bunk.
 
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If you were approached, then they weren't Masons. As such anything they tell you is bunk.

At the time I was in business as a Funeral Director; these men who approached me led the Masonic services for their members in my Funeral Home; but I guess, despite the aprons and the ritual that they were not Masons.:doh::doh::doh:

What for a fool do you take me for?:confused:
 
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At the time I was in business as a Funeral Director; these men who approached me led the Masonic services for their members in my Funeral Home; but I guess, despite the aprons and the ritual that they were not Masons.:doh::doh::doh:

What for a fool do you take me for?:confused:
My apologies. It sounded like you were approached and people offered you membership. If that was the case, they would not been regular masons, and as such anything they told you would have suspect. No recruiting is one of our strongest rules.
 
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