What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[Elder 111]

Elder, don't confuse you with the facts. When your mind is made up, its a mess.

Learn something for once!



Found a web page for the Jewish calendar that gives various years.

Year 1949 Calendar – Israel

The High Sabbath for the Passover can fall on a Thursday one year. Saturday the next. And, even on a Monday another! The Hebrew calendar does not work like our Gentile calendar!

For example.

1949 - Passover began on our April 14th = Thursday!

1948 - Passover began on our April 24th = Saturday!

1947 - Passover began on our April 6th = Sunday!



Jesus was crucified that year on a Wednesday. The Special Sabbath for that Passover was Thursday that year. Then, on Friday they prepared for the regular Sabbath. That is how Jesus was able to be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth and be risen before the first day of the week (day after the Sabbath day).

I am sorry but Mat 26: 19-29 clearly shows that Jesus celebrated the passover so it could not be the day that He was crucified also.

 

[GenemZ]

for instance, paul was not a jew, he was of the tribe of benjamin, so he was, in fact, a benjamite counted among the jews.

and moses wrote the first five books of the bible and he was not a jew, he was of the tribe of levi. so, moses was a levite! (see? even stupid people know facts you don't! )

Romans 3:1-3


Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what
is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect.
First of all, that they were entrusted with the very
words of God.. What then? If some did not believe,
their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God,
will it?


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So? Moses was only to be given the Word of God, as a go-between, and then handed the Torah over to the Tribe of Judah?.
While all the rest of the tribes twiddled their dreidels and did not have the Word of God? After all, Moses was a Levite, not a Jew. He could not have what he was given by God. At least, according to your argument.

I am a believer in Christ who was born a Jew. Sir? You are acting very foolish. You are acting like a Gentile who would cause Jews to automatically reject your witness for Christ. Do you realize that to a Jew, that what you claim sounds inane?

Acts 26:7

The Jewish people all know the way I have lived ever since I was a child, from the beginning of my life in my own country, and also in Jerusalem. They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that I conformed to the strictest sect of our religion, living as a Pharisee. And now it is because of my hope in what God has promised our ancestors that I am on trial today. This is the promise our twelve tribes are hoping to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God day and night. King Agrippa, it is because of this hope that these Jews are accusing me.
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That passage could not mean that only those from the tribe of Judah were persecuting Paul.


Being a Jew was the religion followed by all the twelve tribes. That made them Jewish.. Hence, Jews. To be Jewish was to mean they followed the faith of the Torah. You are confusing issues in a wrong way. Someone with a clever argument has hoodwinked you into some wrong thinking about the Jews.

 

[Elder 111]

Elder 111, any day before a sabbath is a preparation day!

that goes for annual sabbaths also.

John 19:31(NKJV)
31Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

the scripture tells us that this particular sabbath was a high day sabbath, which means it was not the weekly sabbath.

read ex 12, where God institutes the day of passover and the feast of unleavened bread. so the preparation day before the feast of unleavened bread would be the passover.

notice that He instituted the passover and then the feast.

of the feast He said:

Exodus 12:16(NKJV)
16On the first day there shall be a holy convocation (sabbath), and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation (again, sabbath) for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat—that only may be prepared by you.

these sabbaths are "high days" - why?

Exodus 12:17(NKJV)
17So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance.

Exodus 13:9(NKJV)
9It shall be as a sign to you on your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that the Lord’S law may be in your mouth; for with a strong hand the Lord has brought you out of Egypt.

they understood that the "Hand" that led them from egypt came from upon high.

a high hand did this, hence, high day sabbath!

The preparation day not a preparation day. It refers to Friday in Jewish culture.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Romans 3:1-3


Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what
is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect.
First of all, that they were entrusted with the very
words of God.. What then? If some did not believe,
their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God,
will it?


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So? Moses was only to be given the Word of God, as a go-between, and then handed the Torah over to the Tribe of Judah?.
While all the rest of the tribes twiddled their dreidels and did not have the Word of God? After all, Moses was a Levite, not a Jew. He could not have what he was given by God. At least, according to your argument.

I am a believer in Christ who was born a Jew. Sir? You are acting very foolish. You are acting like a Gentile who would cause Jews to automatically reject your witness for Christ. Do you realize that to a Jew, that what you claim sounds inane?

Acts 26:7

The Jewish people all know the way I have lived ever since I was a child, from the beginning of my life in my own country, and also in Jerusalem. They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that I conformed to the strictest sect of our religion, living as a Pharisee. And now it is because of my hope in what God has promised our ancestors that I am on trial today. This is the promise our twelve tribes are hoping to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God day and night. King Agrippa, it is because of this hope that these Jews are accusing me.
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That passage could not mean that only those from the tribe of Judah were persecuting Paul.


Being a Jew was the religion followed by all the twelve tribes. That made them Jewish.. Hence, Jews. To be Jewish was to mean they followed the faith of the Torah. You are confusing issues in a wrong way. Someone with a clever argument has hoodwinked you into some wrong thinking about the Jews.

i'm not going there with you in this futile endeavor!

don't have to!

 

[JohnRabbit]

The preparation day not a preparation day. It refers to Friday in Jewish culture.

ok dude, have it your way!

it's in my post!

 

[GenemZ]

I am sorry but Mat 26: 19-29 clearly shows that Jesus celebrated the passover so it could not be the day that He was crucified also.

It does?

1On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came
to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to
eat the Passover?”He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him,
‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the
Passover with my disciples at your house.’” So the disciples did as Jesus had
directed them and prepared the Passover.



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The Feast of Unleavened Bread is a feast that is sometimes mistaken for Passover. Passover however is only one 24 hour period while Feast of Unleavened Bread lasts for seven days.

The Gospel of John claims that Jesus was crucified at the time the Passover lambs were being slaughtered -- the day of Preparation (of the lambs, that is their slaughtering) -- making him a/the Paschal Lamb, meaning that Jesus died before
Passover in John's Gospel.

Now.. take notice how Jesus makes sure to make it known that his appointed time was near.

“Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says:
My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover
with my disciples at your house.’”



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Apparently, if someone knew he was about to die? He was permitted to celebrate the Passover Seder as he wished. Like a dying child requesting that Santa Claus visit him before he dies, and the parents arrange for someone to play Santa for him at his hospital bed in the month of July.

Jesus made sure to make it known to the man who set up the room that his appointed time was near - that he was about to die. So, the Seder was set up for him when it was.

 

[GenemZ]

The preparation day not a preparation day. It refers to Friday in Jewish culture.

For the regular Sabbath that falls on Saturday.

 

[GenemZ]

It is not my ignorance but your acceptance of you pastor's view and not the bible's stated position.
There are yearly high day/sabbath which indeed is what Paul referred when he spoke of observing sabbath days, and there is the weekly Sabbath. At times the yearly sabbath would fall on the same day as the weekly Sabbath, command sense. That is what happened at the crucifixion.
One of these Sabbath days which fell on the 10th of the Seventh Jewish month was Yom Kippur.

Can't argue with someone who makes up stuff for his own convenience.

Stay where you are. Lose your rewards. You refused correction.

Its as simple as that. No sense arguing where there is no sense.

 

[from scratch]

Romans 3:1-3


Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what
is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect.
First of all, that they were entrusted with the very
words of God.. What then? If some did not believe,
their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God,
will it?


​

So? Moses was only to be given the Word of God, as a go-between, and then handed the Torah over to the Tribe of Judah?.
While all the rest of the tribes twiddled their dreidels and did not have the Word of God? After all, Moses was a Levite, not a Jew. He could not have what he was given by God. At least, according to your argument.

I am a believer in Christ who was born a Jew. Sir? You are acting very foolish. You are acting like a Gentile who would cause Jews to automatically reject your witness for Christ. Do you realize that to a Jew, that what you claim sounds inane?

Acts 26:7

The Jewish people all know the way I have lived ever since I was a child, from the beginning of my life in my own country, and also in Jerusalem. They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that I conformed to the strictest sect of our religion, living as a Pharisee. And now it is because of my hope in what God has promised our ancestors that I am on trial today. This is the promise our twelve tribes are hoping to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God day and night. King Agrippa, it is because of this hope that these Jews are accusing me.
​

That passage could not mean that only those from the tribe of Judah were persecuting Paul.


Being a Jew was the religion followed by all the twelve tribes. That made them Jewish.. Hence, Jews. To be Jewish was to mean they followed the faith of the Torah. You are confusing issues in a wrong way. Someone with a clever argument has hoodwinked you into some wrong thinking about the Jews.

Have you ever heard about the crazy lady upstairs?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by genez

So? Moses was only to be given the Word of God, as a go-between, and then handed the Torah over to the Tribe of Judah?.
While all the rest of the tribes twiddled their dreidels and did not have the Word of God? After all, Moses was a Levite, not a Jew. He could not have what he was given by God. At least, according to your argument.

I am a believer in Christ who was born a Jew. Sir? You are acting very foolish. You are acting like a Gentile who would cause Jews to automatically reject your witness for Christ. Do you realize that to a Jew, that what you claim sounds inane?

That passage could not mean that only those from the tribe of Judah were persecuting Paul.

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There was also the House of Judah, which consisted of Judah, Levi and Benjamin

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
JESUS AND PAUL VS THE OC JUDEAN RULERS

LUKE 16:
27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father! that you would send him to my father's house,
28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' "

The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity. Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35). He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.

This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!..................


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[GenemZ]

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What is the purpose in all this? Take any verse from the Bible and give it to someone so inclined? Its no longer the verse, but perverse. Come on folks. What do you want? Truth, or a game of dodge ball?

 

[Elder 111]

Getting back to the subject at hand.

1. The Ten commandments are required of the Gentles and Paul has clearly stated such.
2. Things like circumcision is not one "package", as some put it, with the Ten Commandments.
3. I cor. 7:

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

 

[GenemZ]

Getting back to the subject at hand.

1. The Ten commandments are required of the Gentles and Paul has clearly stated such.
2. Things like circumcision is not one "package", as some put it, with the Ten Commandments.
3. I cor. 7:

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

You are trying to circumcise the Law! You can't do that! You can not pick and choose what part of the Law you will accept.

Here is a commandment of God for the Church!

2 Peter 3:18

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.



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You want to go back under the Law, because the Law is a matter of simply following rules and regulations. It requires no understanding, just doing what you are told.

Following Christ REQUIRES LOVE FOR THE LORD! NOT, LOVE FOR FOLLOWING orders!

The Law is for the simple. Christ is IMPOSSIBLE if you are not filled with the Spirit! Following Law only requires having a human will to obey orders. Even an unbeliever can follow Law! Many unbelievers did! Following Christ, requires GRACE! Not, Law! Grace is power from God to become transformed in your thinking and emotions.

John 1:17

For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


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You read that?

Any unbeliever with a strong religious streak can follow parts of the Law! Easily! And, proudly! And, end up in the Lake of Fire! Just look at the Pharisees!

wake up...

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Getting back to the subject at hand.

1. The Ten commandments are required of the Gentles and Paul has clearly stated such.
2. Things like circumcision is not one "package", as some put it, with the Ten Commandments.
3. I cor. 7:

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
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You are trying to circumcise the Law! You can't do that! You can not pick and choose what part of the Law you will accept.

Here is a commandment of God for the Church!

2 Peter 3:18

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.



​

You want to go back under the Law, because the Law is a matter of simply following rules and regulations. It requires no understanding, just doing what you are told.

Following Christ REQUIRES LOVE FOR THE LORD! NOT, LOVE FOR FOLLOWING orders!

The Law is for the simple. Christ is IMPOSSIBLE if you are not filled with the Spirit! Following Law only requires having a human will to obey orders. Even an unbeliever can follow Law! Many unbelievers did! Following Christ, requires GRACE! Not, Law! Grace is power from God to become transformed in your thinking and emotions.

John 1:17

For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


​

You read that?

Any unbeliever with a strong religious streak can follow parts of the Law! Easily! And, proudly! And, end up in the Lake of Fire! Just look at the Pharisees!

wake up...

Are you saying that Paul is incorrect in his statement?

 

[Gottservant]

There is a way to point to the Lord using the Law, that is what I think most Christians forget.

The problem is that the ten commandments are for people who don't remember how to dwell in godly society, they are not as useful to people who have internalized godly society (by dwelling on those commandments long enough that they are instinct).

What is needed now, is principle and percept to guide people's mindfulness towards remembering the Lord with greater vigour, principle and percept which are of the Law (but which are not the ten commandments).

 

[from scratch]

Getting back to the subject at hand.

1. The Ten commandments are required of the Gentles and Paul has clearly stated such.
2. Things like circumcision is not one "package", as some put it, with the Ten Commandments.
3. I cor. 7:

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

What does Jesus have to say about this supposed requirement to enter heaven? I agree with Peter concerning your quote of Paul.

 

[from scratch]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Getting back to the subject at hand.

1. The Ten commandments are required of the Gentles and Paul has clearly stated such.
2. Things like circumcision is not one "package", as some put it, with the Ten Commandments.
3. I cor. 7:

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
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Are you saying that Paul is incorrect in his statement?

As a stand alone statement? Yes!

 

[from scratch]

I am sorry but Mat 26: 19-29 clearly shows that Jesus celebrated the passover so it could not be the day that He was crucified also.

Good point.

 

[GenemZ]

Good point.

A Jew who was about to die before the Passover, could apparently request to celebrate the Passover before the day, if he wished. As in someone having a death bed wish.. Like we have with the "Make a Wish" foundation..

Look at what Jesus actually said about that Passover Seder...

Matthew 26:18

He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him,
‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going
to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’”



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The request for having the Seder at that time was a man who was about to die's wish!

 

[from scratch]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Getting back to the subject at hand.

1. The Ten commandments are required of the Gentles and Paul has clearly stated such.
2. Things like circumcision is not one "package", as some put it, with the Ten Commandments.
3. I cor. 7:

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
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Are you saying that Paul is incorrect in his statement?

If he is, he's not inspired as believed.