My Archaeological Challenge

[TLK Valentine]

And where did Satan come from?

Well, he's either God's biggest mistake or most useful follower -- take your pick.

 

[ReverendDG]

And where did Satan come from?

i fail to see how that has anything to do with the story the father of lies made up to mock god.
even if you discount evolution, the story and extrapolations he whispered into the ears of those who believe in creationism remain lies, poisonous to the reality of god.

if you must know, satan is the demiurge, the creator of the universe, he enjoys telling people lies to cause chaos.

 

[AV1611VET]

So... what's the challenge?

Find 2,000,000 Jews [okay, Hebrews] in the desert.

Your science can't do it, even with a map.

Lest these "ignorant nomads" make your high-and-mighty science look bad.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, he's either God's biggest mistake or most useful follower -- take your pick.

For the second time: Where did Satan come from?

 

[AV1611VET]

creationism is a product of satan.

And where did Satan come from?

i fail to see how that has anything to do with the story the father of lies made up to mock god.

Oh, now we're going to suddenly go blind after I ask a good question; aren't we?

You're good!

 

[ReverendDG]

Oh, now we're going to suddenly go blind after I ask a good question; aren't we?

You're good!

you call that a good question? you have low standards.
creationism is a lie, you fell for it and now you are trying to run from the truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

you call that a good question?

Yup, I sure do.

And even though I give people a hard time about God not creating SATAN, per se; I'm willing to lower my standards to effectively counter your point.

You say Satan is a product of creationism, but then you're smart enough not to admit that Satan was created ... albeit as Lucifer, not Satan.

Unless, of course, you think he evolved.

 

[ReverendDG]

Find 2,000,000 Jews [okay, Hebrews] in the desert.

Your science can't do it, even with a map.

Lest these "ignorant nomads" make your high-and-mighty science look bad.

the "israelites" never left palastine, take your blinders off and read my post telling you this.
the israelites were a canaanite tribe who during a huge political vaccuum in egypt took power from local canaanite vassals.

the exodus was written in a period during the babylonian exile between 600-500 bc.
it is a mixture of legend, morality play, history of the israelites and the hyksos.
the first time the israelites are recorded to have existed is around 1200bc on a stele of an egyptian pharaoh.

 

[ReverendDG]

Yup, I sure do.

And even though I give people a hard time about God not creating SATAN, per se; I'm willing to lower my standards to effectively counter your point.

You say Satan is a product of creationism, but then you're smart enough not to admit that Satan was created ... albeit as Lucifer, not Satan.

Unless, of course, you think he evolved.

no i didn't.
you are wrong. stop reading what you want and read my post.
CREATIONISM, the belief that everything was created by god exactly how it is written in genesis 1 and two is CREATIONISM. CREATIONISM is a LIE, god creating stuff is not, can't you tell the difference between the two? genesis 1 and two are lies.

are you thick or something? or do you just refuse to let anything in your brain but nonsense?

i don't think satan is a product of creationism, i think he made it up.

you didn't lower your standards, you didn't even bother to read my post, you just imagined up something i said. so far you have no standards, but that is expected from creationists in denial of the truth.

god created satan, satan created the universe, god isn't around to gainsay satan, so you guys get fed lies.

 

[AV1611VET]

Find 2,000,000 Jews [okay, Hebrews] in the desert.

Your science can't do it, even with a map.

Lest these "ignorant nomads" make your high-and-mighty science look bad.

the "israelites" never left palastine, take your blinders off and read my post telling you this.
the israelites were a canaanite tribe who during a huge political vaccuum in egypt took power from local canaanite vassals.

the exodus was written in a period during the babylonian exile between 600-500 bc.
it is a mixture of legend, morality play, history of the israelites and the hyksos.
the first time the israelites are recorded to have existed is around 1200bc on a stele of an egyptian pharaoh.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[AV1611VET]

creationism is a product of satan.

You say Satan is a product of creationism,

no i didn't.

Whoops! So sorry, chief.

You're right -- I got that backward, didn't I?

How about answering my question then ... so we can avoid further mistakes?

 

[ReverendDG]

Thanks for the QED.

what in the world does that mean? can't you write like a normal adult and be clear when you post?

i mean if that is the best you can do, i guess i win again. i'm right, you're wrong and science knows where the HEBREWS were all the time.

ISRAEL.
you guys were the ones looking in the wrong place, not the archaeologists!

 

[ReverendDG]

Whoops! So sorry, chief.

You're right -- I got that backward, didn't I?

How about answering my question then ... so we can avoid further mistakes?

read it again, i answered you.

but here: "god created satan, satan created the universe, god isn't around to gainsay satan, so you guys get fed lies."

why is this relevant to the fact that creationism is a lie? that genesis isn't how it happened?

 

[AV1611VET]

what in the world does that mean? can't you write like a normal adult and be clear when you post?

i mean if that is the best you can do, i guess i win again. i'm right, you're wrong and science knows where the HEBREWS were all the time.

ISRAEL.
you guys were the ones looking in the wrong place, not the archaeologists!

Suit yourself, DG.

I can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Find 2,000,000 Jews [okay, Hebrews] in the desert.

Your science can't do it, even with a map.

Perhaps you should wait before you gloat?

Google Map of Israel - Nations Online Project

Found 'em!

Lest these "ignorant nomads" make your high-and-mighty science look bad.

Google is your friend, AV -- even if you refuse to be its friend.

 

[TLK Valentine]

For the second time: Where did Satan come from?

Asked and answered -- Even you can't plug your ears and scream "lalalalalala!" forever, AV.

 

[ReverendDG]

Suit yourself, DG.

I can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

yet you aren't even attempting to debate me on what i said, what is wrong with what i said? other than you refuse to accept the evidence left by the people from thousands of years ago?

is this just beyond you?
it seems like it, this happens to be one of my many hobbies, researching the history of the ancient middle east

i answered you, scientists found the HEBREWS in israel, they were there all along. they never went to egypt or mount sinai or mount hebron or whatever mountain you happen to think moses went to.
if scientists couldn't find the hebrews in egypt or sinai it was because they never went there to begin with.

i suggest you read the bible unearthed, finklestein is an AME expert at tel av and has a pretty sound theory about the israelites.

 

[ReverendDG]

Perhaps you should wait before you gloat?

Google Map of Israel - Nations Online Project

Found 'em!



Google is your friend, AV -- even if you refuse to be its friend.

depending on the source, the bible or the evidence found else where, they have always been there.
well except for the exile of course, oh and the diaspora.
so.. give or take close to 1400 years? the last time the romans kicked the jews out was what? 148 ad? during the third uprising in judea?

 

[AV1611VET]

 

[quatona]

And where did Satan come from?

New Jersey?