Why did Jesus keep the law?

[TillICollapse]

I thought part of Jesus fulfilling the Law involved disarming the powers and principalities as well.

Since the Law was given by angels, and enforced by angels ... over Israel, who could not follow it and therefore were convicted under it ... Jesus followed it and fulfilled it as a Jew, thereby disarming the powers and principalities over Israel, canceling their condemnation under it. IOW, taking away the "legal right" the powers and authorities had to hold Israel accountable.

For the Gentiles, who were not under that same Law given to Moses by angels, but still died apart from the Law regardless due to sin ... Christ died. Death being the result of sin. However Christ was without sin, yet died anyway (murdered) ... and in so doing conquered death, which is also an enemy. Thus, he fulfilled the end result of sin for the Gentile as well (death), by dying, thus disarming death.

Thus he conquered the enemies of both Jew and Gentile, the things which condemned them both and stood against them, fulfilling their requirements and disarming the enemies that stood against us.

 

[from scratch]

To show us it could be done-and how to do it. If it was wrong to keep the Law He never would've done so Himself.

Would you say Jesus was successful in what you say?

 

[from scratch]

Acts 15 settles the issue for us born again in Christ Gentiles: we are not to come under Moses, which is for the Jews, only, as God's Sign nation.

Right now, the signs are on Stop/Sabbath, while the harvest is gathered from the Gentiles.....but when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in -is gathered into the "Barn" from whence the Seed came [Haggai 2]- then the signs start again, while the nation of Israel is restored and prepared for Her Messiah's return to reign and rule.

What does this have to do with topic of Jesus keeping the law?

 

[JohnRabbit]

What does this have to do with topic of Jesus keeping the law?

ditto!

 

[from scratch]

ditto!

Hey where are your buddies the pro law people? Why aren't they posting here on this important topic?

 

[fhansen]

Would you say Jesus was successful in what you say?

Yes, I have no idea what percentage will follow Him all the way, though. But follow they will, in the path of His righteousness, because God never created anything to be unrighteousness after all and He can certainly restore/mold His creatures into whatever He has in mind for them to be. As scripture tells us, no sinners enter heaven.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Hey where are your buddies the pro law people? Why aren't they posting here on this important topic?

i know, i thought they'd be happy to jump in here and opine.

 

[from scratch]

Yes, I have no idea what percentage will follow Him all the way, though. But follow they will, in the path of His righteousness, because God never created anything to be unrighteousness after all and He can certainly restore/mold His creatures into whatever He has in mind for them to be. As scripture tells us, no sinners enter heaven.

There is a long standing unmet challenge here in GT to name any such individuals. Want to give it a stab? The Bible says no one has.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I thought part of Jesus fulfilling the Law involved disarming the powers and principalities as well.

Since the Law was given by angels, and enforced by angels ... over Israel, who could not follow it and therefore were convicted under it ... Jesus followed it and fulfilled it as a Jew, thereby disarming the powers and principalities over Israel, canceling their condemnation under it. IOW, taking away the "legal right" the powers and authorities had to hold Israel accountable.

For the Gentiles, who were not under that same Law given to Moses by angels, but still died apart from the Law regardless due to sin ... Christ died. Death being the result of sin. However Christ was without sin, yet died anyway (murdered) ... and in so doing conquered death, which is also an enemy. Thus, he fulfilled the end result of sin for the Gentile as well (death), by dying, thus disarming death.

Thus he conquered the enemies of both Jew and Gentile, the things which condemned them both and stood against them, fulfilling their requirements and disarming the enemies that stood against us.

quite agree but people seem more interested in the fun of the details involved in law arguments
Well put tho!

 

[fhansen]

There is a long standing unmet challenge here in GT to name any such individuals. Want to give it a stab? The Bible says no one has.

The bible says everyone must. Name one who hasn't met it, prior to entrance into heaven. Name someone who's even capable of "seeing" God to the extent they're not sold out to Him first above all the other things that would attract us. With man this is impossible; with God all things are possible. In His love and mercy He prepares those who answer His call.

 

[from scratch]

The bible says everyone must.

Side stepping is a fine art here. The challenge is to name anyone who has.

 

[fhansen]

Side stepping is a fine art here. The challenge is to name anyone who has.

You say the bible says no one has met it. I say the bible says everyone must meet it nonetheless. So tell me one who hasn't met it prior to entrance into heaven.

 

[JohnRabbit]

You say the bible says no one has met it. I say the bible says everyone must meet it nonetheless. So tell me one who hasn't met it prior to entrance into heaven.

who has gone to heaven besides the Christ? (jn 3:13)

 

[TillICollapse]

quite agree but people seem more interested in the fun of the details involved in law arguments
Well put tho!

Thanks

 

[from scratch]

You say the bible says no one has met it. I say the bible says everyone must meet it nonetheless. So tell me one who hasn't met it prior to entrance into heaven.

Where is this? I believe the Bible says one must be righteous - not law compliant. The righteousness required can't be gotten by the law.

 

[fhansen]

who has gone to heaven besides the Christ? (jn 3:13)

 

[fhansen]

Where is this? I believe the Bible says one must be righteous - not law compliant. The righteousness required can't be gotten by the law.

It cannot be gotten by the Law and yet unrighteousness-sin-is lawlessness. So even thought the law cannot justify it nevertheless tells us in some basic ways what justice "looks like". Love/grace. is what our justice consists of and is the only way it can actually be accomplished in man, the only way the law can be fulfilled IOW. And that's how Jesus fulfilled it.

 

[JohnRabbit]

seemed like a pretty straightforward question to me!

 

[fhansen]

Where is this? I believe the Bible says one must be righteous - not law compliant. The righteousness required can't be gotten by the law.

And yet the righteousness required fulfills the law.

 

[fhansen]

seemed like a pretty straightforward question to me!

Sorry, I hadn't noticed the question under confused smiley. We'll, there should be many who've met God "face to face" by now.