how can you be sure that the devil is evil and the bible is correct?

[juvenissun]

How can you say that? Judging by what you have posted in this thread, I am definitely more moral than you.



It appears you judge the morality of an action on personal gain.

You have more on something you don't know what it is?

 

[Ken-1122]

No. For Canaanites, they should not. They should all be killed. Everything burnt.

Very simple. The situation is different. One is civil law and one is martial law.

Did the 6th Commandment say Thou shalt not kill unless martial law? No! It says THOU SHALT NOT KILL! No if and's or but's.

Do you agree?

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

Yes, I think I have read them all. Yes, most of them are logical.
Want to give a shot?

Let’s start from the beginning;
Day 1 God created light and separated light from darkness
Day 2 God created firmament (whatever that is) and separated sky from sea
Day 3 God separated water from land and created plants and trees on the land
Day 4 God created stars, planet, moon and the sun.
Day 5 & 6 he created animals and Humans. Etc. and at the end of each day it says;” and the even and the morning it was the first day, second day, third day, etc. But because we now know the Earth is round; what we call evening is when the Earth rotates to a position where the Sun is no longer visible from where you are standing. What we call morning is when the Sun becomes visible from where you are standing. Thus It is impossible to have an evening or a morning without the Sun!

So how can you have an evening and morning for the first 3 days when the Sun wasn’t even created until the 4th day? Sounds illogical to me!

How about Joanah? How can a man sit in the belly of a whale for 3 days without any air supply? Did he hold his breath for 3 days? Sounds illogical to me!

How about Noah? The problem with this story is the guy who made this stuff up listed the actual size of the Boat/Ark. Any engineer will tell you that even with today’s technology, even using modern pressure treated wood it is impossible to build a boat of that size made completely out of wood without any steel reinforcements and still float. So how could this primitive man do this and not only float but house all those animals? Sounds illogical to me!

What about Joshua? During battle as long as his hands were raised towards heaven the sun would not set and they would win the war. So he had 2 of his soldiers hold his hands up and the Sun stopped in the sky, refrained from setting and they were able to win the war. Problem with this story is, we now know the Sun does not rotate around the Earth (as they thought back then) what we call the movement of the Sun is actually a result of the Earth rotating and in order to stop the Sun from setting, you would have to stop the Earth from rotating.

Currently the Earth rotates approx 10,000 mph. Can you imagine the damage momentum would cause if at 10,000 mph the Earth came to a screeching halt? Everything would immediately be propelled at 10,000 mph and nobody would survive let alone fight a war. Sounds illogical to me.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s cool if you wanna believe this stuff I ain’t tryin ta take that away from you; just don’t expect others to believe they are logical; it’s all about faith.

Ken

 

[juvenissun]

Did the 6th Commandment say Thou shalt not kill unless martial law? No! It says THOU SHALT NOT KILL! No if and's or but's.

Do you agree?

Ken

No.

At Moses' time, thou shall not kill, unless God calls you to war.

 

[juvenissun]

Let’s start from the beginning;
Day 1 God created light and separated light from darkness
Day 2 God created firmament (whatever that is) and separated sky from sea
Day 3 God separated water from land and created plants and trees on the land
Day 4 God created stars, planet, moon and the sun.
Day 5 & 6 he created animals and Humans. Etc. and at the end of each day it says;” and the even and the morning it was the first day, second day, third day, etc. But because we now know the Earth is round; what we call evening is when the Earth rotates to a position where the Sun is no longer visible from where you are standing. What we call morning is when the Sun becomes visible from where you are standing. Thus It is impossible to have an evening or a morning without the Sun!

So how can you have an evening and morning for the first 3 days when the Sun wasn’t even created until the 4th day? Sounds illogical to me!

How about Joanah? How can a man sit in the belly of a whale for 3 days without any air supply? Did he hold his breath for 3 days? Sounds illogical to me!

How about Noah? The problem with this story is the guy who made this stuff up listed the actual size of the Boat/Ark. Any engineer will tell you that even with today’s technology, even using modern pressure treated wood it is impossible to build a boat of that size made completely out of wood without any steel reinforcements and still float. So how could this primitive man do this and not only float but house all those animals? Sounds illogical to me!

What about Joshua? During battle as long as his hands were raised towards heaven the sun would not set and they would win the war. So he had 2 of his soldiers hold his hands up and the Sun stopped in the sky, refrained from setting and they were able to win the war. Problem with this story is, we now know the Sun does not rotate around the Earth (as they thought back then) what we call the movement of the Sun is actually a result of the Earth rotating and in order to stop the Sun from setting, you would have to stop the Earth from rotating.

Currently the Earth rotates approx 10,000 mph. Can you imagine the damage momentum would cause if at 10,000 mph the Earth came to a screeching halt? Everything would immediately be propelled at 10,000 mph and nobody would survive let alone fight a war. Sounds illogical to me.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s cool if you wanna believe this stuff I ain’t tryin ta take that away from you; just don’t expect others to believe they are logical; it’s all about faith.

Ken

Appreciate that you wrote so much.

But, one thing should be cleared first.

Illogical is not scientifically impossible. These are two entirely different ideas. Examples you gave questioned the scientific possibility and have nothing to do with logic. There are many miracles described in the Bible. But having miracles does not mean the story is illogical.

Now, briefly address the scientific possibility of your examples:

Having Day and Night without the Sun: Not only completely possible but is true.
Noah's Ark: I read engineering approval, but not engineering disproval. You need to be more specifically than just say it is not possible. I say that it is not only possible, but is excellently designed.
Jona's fish: I would tentatively classify this one as a miracle.
Josuah's long day: it is still a scientific possibility. But is difficult to prove by today's knowledge.

If you like to talk about the science/engineering details on any items above, we can certainly do that.

 

[Ken-1122]

Now, briefly address the scientific possibility of your examples:

Having Day and Night without the Sun: Not only completely possible but is true.

Please explain how it is possible to have day without the sun or any other type of star.

Noah's Ark: I read engineering approval, but not engineering disproval.

What does that mean?

You need to be more specifically than just say it is not possible. I say that it is not only possible, but is excellently designed.

You want specifics? Wood isn’t stable enough for such a large vessle; it flexes too much. For something that big you need steel or at least steel reinforcements

Jona's fish: I would tentatively classify this one as a miracle.
Josuah's long day: it is still a scientific possibility. But is difficult to prove by today's knowledge.

How is it scientifically possible for the planet to come to a screetching halt from over 10,000 mph without damage from momentum? Please explain.

If you like to talk about the science/engineering details on any items above, we can certainly do that.

I would like that. Please provide scientific and engineering details on each of the above examples I gave.

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

No.

At Moses' time, thou shall not kill, unless God calls you to war.

Maybe you need to read that 6th commandment again. It says nothing about war, it says "thou shalt not kill" that's it! It doesn't leave room for negotation.

Ken

 

[juvenissun]

Maybe you need to read that 6th commandment again. It says nothing about war, it says "thou shalt not kill" that's it! It doesn't leave room for negotation.

Ken

Yes it does, if God says so.
God says: go up and fight, then you forget the 6th commendment.

 

[juvenissun]

Please explain how it is possible to have day without the sun or any other type of star.

What does that mean?

You want specifics? Wood isn’t stable enough for such a large vessle; it flexes too much. For something that big you need steel or at least steel reinforcements

How is it scientifically possible for the planet to come to a screetching halt from over 10,000 mph without damage from momentum? Please explain.
I would like that. Please provide scientific and engineering details on each of the above examples I gave.

Ken

OK, we take it one at a time.

There is light in our universe before the formation of stars. Do you accept (understand) that?

 

[SharonL]

All throughout the Bible people defended themselves - this is different than intentionally killing someone.

 

[Ken-1122]

Yes it does, if God says so.
God says: go up and fight, then you forget the 6th commendment.

So a God who can't obey his own commandments expects everyone else to?

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

OK, we take it one at a time.

There is light in our universe before the formation of stars. Do you accept (understand) that?

I we are talking about evening and morning; not just light.

Ken

 

[juvenissun]

So a God who can't obey his own commandments expects everyone else to?

Ken

God guides and protects. He never forsakes.
When you are in real danger, He will tell you: Go up and fight.
That is the God we trust.

 

[juvenissun]

I we are talking about evening and morning; not just light.

Ken

Yes, evening and morning depend on the existence of light.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

You have more on something you don't know what it is?

You're the one implying that if 9/11 causes the USA to become the undisputed world leader for another 200 years, it may have been worth it.

Like I said, you seem to use the televangelist model of moral judgement: "If I profit, it's moral."

 

[Ken-1122]

God guides and protects. He never forsakes.
When you are in real danger, He will tell you: Go up and fight.
That is the God we trust.

We're not just talking about fighting, we're talking about rape and murder. Are the 10 Commandments to be obeyed only when convient? Is it okay to put them aside when things get a little difficult.

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

Yes, evening and morning depend on the existence of light.

So explain how it is possible to have a morning and evening without the Sun.

K

 

[juvenissun]

So explain how it is possible to have a morning and evening without the Sun.

K

There is light, and there is something (planet) rotating.
The consequence is the illuminated side and the shadow side.

Clear enough?

 

[juvenissun]

We're not just talking about fighting, we're talking about rape and murder. Are the 10 Commandments to be obeyed only when convient? Is it okay to put them aside when things get a little difficult.

Ken

In that particular war, women and children and animals and belongings should ALL be destroyed. This is only applied to that particular war. God clearly says, other wars are not like that.

I don't know about rape. You may show me the verses.

 

[juvenissun]

You're the one implying that if 9/11 causes the USA to become the undisputed world leader for another 200 years, it may have been worth it.

Like I said, you seem to use the televangelist model of moral judgement: "If I profit, it's moral."

Why don't we talk about whether is it worthy if that were the case?