Future restoration of the 12 tribes of Israel in the land of Israel

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

This is how I know it won't...2 Thessaloninas was written before Herod's Temple was destroyed...so 2 Thessalonians doesn't make your point. The "man of sin" is believed to be Johanan ben Levi. You can research it yourself.


Actually no...they've built nothing...I'm quite familiar with that site. They have the cornerstones...but that's not building...that's preparing to build. The temple cannot be built until the Dome of The Rock is removed. It sits exactly where the temple should.

No welcome to fantasy. Like I said even *if* they build a temple it means nothing.

But again...this is nothing to debate...all we have to do is watch...becaause the minute Israel tries to move the Dome of The Rock it's going to to probably lead to a massive war.

At this point odds are the temple is quite a ways off.

They in fact have "built" many things for the temple.. It can be erected in less than a year. The Priests are trained as well..

You think the Dome of the Rock has to be moved.. This is not how its going to happen..

Peace between Israel and Palestine needs to happen, and when this does, there is room on temple mt to build Gods Temple.

This is why they are fighting and if the Pope and John Kerry broker peace, then it will become a reality.

You can deny it.
You can not like it.

Doesnt matter what you want.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


If you spiritualize or take out of context you are left with confusion, meanwhile your reality is unfolding exactly as prophecy said and you are in denial.

 

[dfw69]

It's not the same because John recieves more Revelation than Ezekiel and the measurements are different because of different unit's of measure.

Ezekiel's temple was never built because Israel was never ashamed of what they did in disobedience to God, so Ezekiel never revealed it to them. Ezekiel 43:10-12.

It's revealed now... We have the blue prints now for the messiah to fulfill

 

[ebedmelech]

They in fact have "built" many things for the temple.. It can be erected in less than a year. The Priests are trained as well..

You think the Dome of the Rock has to be moved.. This is not how its going to happen..

Peace between Israel and Palestine needs to happen, and when this does, there is room on temple mt to build Gods Temple.

This is why they are fighting and if the Pope and John Kerry broker peace, then it will become a reality.

You can deny it.
You can not like it.

Doesnt matter what you want.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


If you spiritualize or take out of context you are left with confusion, meanwhile your reality is unfolding exactly as prophecy said and you are in denial.

Like I said...they have not built the temple. You can talk all day about thing they built...they are not the temple.

As for Gentiles treading under the court outside the temple...I guess all those Romans running around Jerusalem and the temple aren't Gentiles.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Like I said...they have not built the temple. You can talk all day about thing they built...they are not the temple.

As for Gentiles treading under the court outside the temple...I guess all those Romans running around Jerusalem and the temple aren't Gentiles.

Please, you wont even answer certain questions because you have ZERO rebuttal or you will just twist scripture to your beliefs..

Kinda the reason everyone is disagreeing with you..

I agree, there is no Temple of God yet.. I also agree, the Temple in and of itself means nothing, its a symbol, it is not God.

Begs the question, why is everything in the Bible lining up to modern day events only after the return of Israel?

Dont act like Im some random Christian that believes this, we arent so much concerned with prophecy as we are how the literal interpretations appear to be making more sense as everything in modern day is all happening at the same time..


You say youve been a Christian for 30 years, and started as a Dispensationalist correct?

The preterist doctrine predates your birth, and would have to be something some other man led you to believe, and sure, the evidence may seem compelling, but let me ask you an honest question.

When you propose an idea to your fellow Christians, they overwhelmingly (as indicated by this forum) disagree with you, do you ever take it as a "sign" that maybe what you are interpreting may not actually be grounded in truth?

Meaning, you didnt come up with your arguements because they are laid out for you, they even teach you how to push the preterist doctrine to answer those "hard" questions.

Ive been researching from within your paradigm, indifferent to what I am seeing so that I can grasp how you guys come to this understanding.


You are talking about prophecy with other Christians, but the effect of your teaching is not widely accepted, and puts a bitter taste in peoples mouths.


We havent come 2000 years only to bury the prophecy about the greatest event since the creation, coming of Christ, and ultimately the judgement of those who oppose God, on earth.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Like I said...they have not built the temple. You can talk all day about thing they built...they are not the temple.

As for Gentiles treading under the court outside the temple...I guess all those Romans running around Jerusalem and the temple aren't Gentiles.

Another reason that when you were younger may have not been convinced is because the last generation had only begun.

You were born in 55 correct?

So you were really a Christian circa 85, when I was 4 years old.

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

What Michael is saying is that the prophecy wouldnt be understood until the time of the end.

We are at that time, and the prophecy is unfolding.

You were already disappointed by the unfilfillment of your expectations, thus turning you from your faith in future prophecy, and bringing you to preterism.

But the deception is pervasive, and many men, saying they believe in Jesus Christ, have in fact fed doctrine to many.. If it is received well, then it has merit.

The preterist doctrine has been described as going against the teachings of the Bible.

Its openly opposed because it takes away our promise of persecution, suffering and ultimately death for our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Im not big on the pretrib rapture personally, Im not even looking for a quick out. Im ready to face the reality sin has brought.

You didnt have legal homosexuality, 50 million aborted children, or the technological possibility to unite the world under one AC fueled system.

Only now is the fulfillment in position to be realized.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

What does "all things" mean to you?

And we know you are going to use Luke 21:24 to say that already happened, and you are correct.. But lets look at what its also referring to..

So, was Jesus speaking prophetically not only to the disciples, but to the future Generations? lets see if we can make a connection between the Prophecy from Christ, and John in Revelation.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The prophecy in Green is literally fulfilled in 70ad. The Gentiles times continued past 70ad. There is no argument to the contrary..

The prophecy in Blue is literally a future prophecy..

What stands on Temple Mt, in the court if the Temple is built?

Ill show you.

The Dome of the Rock, if having the temple built next to it, will be a gentile place of worship as well. Gentiles are pagans. Islam is pagan.

Luk21:24
Times=42 months

Rev11:2
42 months= times

Luk21:24
Jerusalem=Holy city

Rev11:2
Holy city=Jerusalem

I dont know how this could be literally any clearer..

 

[Interplanner]

See the reasons why in the new thread on writing the Rev before 70 AD. There isn't anything about the setting in the 7th decade that would conflict with the Rev.

 

[shturt678]

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

What does "all things" mean to you?

And we know you are going to use Luke 21:24 to say that already happened, and you are correct.. But lets look at what its also referring to..

So, was Jesus speaking prophetically not only to the disciples, but to the future Generations? lets see if we can make a connection between the Prophecy from Christ, and John in Revelation.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The prophecy in Green is literally fulfilled in 70ad. The Gentiles times continued past 70ad. There is no argument to the contrary..

Agree with all the fomer, and posting due to this is the first time agreeing to agree my friend, ie, a good start.

The prophecy in Blue is literally a future prophecy..

What stands on Temple Mt, in the court if the Temple is built?

Ill show you.

The Dome of the Rock, if having the temple built next to it, will be a gentile place of worship as well. Gentiles are pagans. Islam is pagan.

Luk21:24
Times=42 months

Rev11:2
42 months= times

Luk21:24
Jerusalem=Holy city

Rev11:2
Holy city=Jerusalem

I dont know how this could be literally any clearer..

btw forget about the man made nation of Israel, ie, they've had it wayyy back in 70 A.D. and without Jesus - gong show. Secondly, not "Temple," but "Sanctuary."

Humble pie Jack, ie, only a head's up, not that I'm correct

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Agree with all the fomer, and posting due to this is the first time agreeing to agree my friend, ie, a good start.



btw forget about the man made nation of Israel, ie, they've had it wayyy back in 70 A.D. and without Jesus - gong show. Secondly, not "Temple," but "Sanctuary."

Humble pie Jack, ie, only a head's up, not that I'm correct

Thanks..

Modern Israel are the broken branches, or do you not agree?

 

[Interplanner]

In Rom 9-11, Paul shows that the true Israel has never been genetic. Never. The "all" Israel he is refering to at the end is all those who believe. God has bound all mankind over to sin, and wishes to have mercy on them all.

 

[Interplanner]

To EbedM,
Could you explain if your view of Rom 11's "all" Israel is genetic?

Also could you explain if the AofD is Antiochus when the warning of Jesus about everything else in Mt 24A is about circumstances and events the audience would face shortly?

 

[shturt678]

IIThess.2:4 for openers? Ie, = / = "Temple," but = "Sanctuary"?

right, some would consider it as happening in 70 A.D. when Rome destroyed Jerusalem.

More to do spiritually, ie, not in the so called coming future physical "Temple" that is to be built, but right now and right in our own "sanctuary" within.

Humble pie Jack

 

[shturt678]

Thanks..

Modern Israel are the broken branches, or do you not agree?

Nothing much to do with the banksters' made nation, ie, Jews prior to 70 A.D.

Thank you again,

Humble pie Jack

 

[shturt678]

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

What does "all things" mean to you?

And we know you are going to use Luke 21:24 to say that already happened, and you are correct.. But lets look at what its also referring to..

So, was Jesus speaking prophetically not only to the disciples, but to the future Generations? lets see if we can make a connection between the Prophecy from Christ, and John in Revelation.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The prophecy in Green is literally fulfilled in 70ad. The Gentiles times continued past 70ad. There is no argument to the contrary..

The prophecy in Blue is literally a future prophecy..

What stands on Temple Mt, in the court if the Temple is built?

Ill show you.

The Dome of the Rock, if having the temple built next to it, will be a gentile place of worship as well. Gentiles are pagans. Islam is pagan.

Luk21:24
Times=42 months

Rev11:2
42 months= times

Just another view, ie, 42 months began 70 A.D., Lk.21:24, ending at the Parousia, Rev.20:9, 10.

Luk21:24
Jerusalem=Holy city

Rev11:2
Holy city=Jerusalem

I dont know how this could be literally any clearer..

Just trying to make it a little more clearer.

Humbe pie Jack

 

[riverrat]

In Rom 9-11, Paul shows that the true Israel has never been genetic. Never. The "all" Israel he is refering to at the end is all those who believe. God has bound all mankind over to sin, and wishes to have mercy on them all.

Nope. The "all" Israel is "all" Jews that believe. This has nothing to do with Gentiles. Just read what it says. There is no reason to change what it says. There is the natural and there is the spiritual.

 

[ebedmelech]

Please, you wont even answer certain questions because you have ZERO rebuttal or you will just twist scripture to your beliefs..

Kinda the reason everyone is disagreeing with you..

What questions? NOTHING in scripture says a third temple will be built. However more than that Christ came and He said HE WAS THE TEMPLE! Paul tells you in 1 Corinthians, and Ephesians the Church is the temple built on the apostles and Christ. Peter tells you in 1 Peter 2 we are being BUILT INTO A SPIRITUAL HOUSE!!! THERE'S your temple! Why? because the Holy Spirit dwells in you!!!

I agree, there is no Temple of God yet.. I also agree, the Temple in and of itself means nothing, its a symbol, it is not God.

Begs the question, why is everything in the Bible lining up to modern day events only after the return of Israel?

1.Because of "self fulfilling prophecy"... So many being taught that Israel is still the apple of God's eye...yet the NT makes it clear that after CHRIST, THERE IS NO PARTIALITY WITH GOD! Since people *think* that's the case they work towards that end...for Israel

2. Israel being blind to Christ...continues to work at restoring their temple because they have NO sanctuary, no alter, no holy of holies to obey the Old Covenant.

3. Isaac and Ishmael. Isaac from whom all the Jews come, Ishmael from whom Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are descended from. These people know their heritage and they are forever at odds...just as God says.

Dont act like Im some random Christian that believes this, we arent so much concerned with prophecy as we are how the literal interpretations appear to be making more sense as everything in modern day is all happening at the same time..

Don't act like when Christ came the majority of people would not receive Him because of what they were taught in the synagogues of messiah. Just as today so many *think* Israel is the key to the end...when they're NOT! The key to the end is when Jesus returns NOT when Israel builds a temple! Even if Israel does build a temple it's not acceptable to God...so it will be a building of FALSE WORSHIP...because Jesus came and fulfilled it!!!

How often have the majority been in line with God throughout time?

You say youve been a Christian for 30 years, and started as a Dispensationalist correct?

Yep

The preterist doctrine predates your birth, and would have to be something some other man led you to believe, and sure, the evidence may seem compelling, but let me ask you an honest question.

Here's your error. How many times have I told you I'm concerned with ONLY what is true to scripture? Therefore I accept what is true from scripture...so understand this...I DO NOT ACCEPT ALL OF WHAT PRETERISM TEACHES whether full pretism or partial preterism...and I certainly reject the dispensational thought because it's simply untenable...and basically because they see everything literal ignoring HOW Jesus, the prophets and the apostles speak of these things of the end...and most of all because they IGNORE HISTORICAL FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY!!!

When you propose an idea to your fellow Christians, they overwhelmingly (as indicated by this forum) disagree with you, do you ever take it as a "sign" that maybe what you are interpreting may not actually be grounded in truth?

This is not a popularity contest! This is rightly dividing the word of God...and EVERY PERSON will have their praise of God by how they understand God's word"

Meaning, you didnt come up with your arguements because they are laid out for you, they even teach you how to push the preterist doctrine to answer those "hard" questions.

Once again wrong. I have told you...when I began to read for myself through the entire bible (the first time in 1989), I began to see through reading things dispensationalist say that where already fulfilled. I simply backed off ANY POSITION on the end times and continued to study the scriptures.

It was when I began to see the allegory of the apostles and prophets...and that it was CONSISTENT throughout scripture that I began to embrace *some* of what mainly partial preterism teaches. While full preterism is clearly wrong in saying Christ returned a second time...much of what they teach as historic fulfillment is true.

Ive been researching from within your paradigm, indifferent to what I am seeing so that I can grasp how you guys come to this understanding.

That's fine...but the question is ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE...or are you concerned about who thinks you're right? Are you concerned with what *most* people believe or what you read through scripture?

You are talking about prophecy with other Christians, but the effect of your teaching is not widely accepted, and puts a bitter taste in peoples mouths.

How many people did Jesus leave with a bitter taste?

We havent come 2000 years only to bury the prophecy about the greatest event since the creation, coming of Christ, and ultimately the judgement of those who oppose God, on earth.

We haven't come 2000 years for a popularity contest on God's word about the end either.

Now...we have examined each other about "statements of faith" and virtually are in agreement about that. However when it comes to what God teaches of the end we're don't agree. But we both agree Christ is returning...it's about HOW that happens that's the issue. So you keep studying...and I certainly will too.

 

[riverrat]

Christ left head first and He will return feet first!

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

What questions? NOTHING in scripture says a third temple will be built. However more than that Christ came and He said HE WAS THE TEMPLE! Paul tells you in 1 Corinthians, and Ephesians the Church is the temple built on the apostles and Christ. Peter tells you in 1 Peter 2 we are being BUILT INTO A SPIRITUAL HOUSE!!! THERE'S your temple! Why? because the Holy Spirit dwells in you!!!


1.Because of "self fulfilling prophecy"... So many being taught that Israel is still the apple of God's eye...yet the NT makes it clear that after CHRIST, THERE IS NO PARTIALITY WITH GOD! Since people *think* that's the case they work towards that end...for Israel

2. Israel being blind to Christ...continues to work at restoring their temple because they have NO sanctuary, no alter, no holy of holies to obey the Old Covenant.

3. Isaac and Ishmael. Isaac from whom all the Jews come, Ishmael from whom Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are descended from. These people know their heritage and they are forever at odds...just as God says.

Don't act like when Christ came the majority of people would not receive Him because of what they were taught in the synagogues of messiah. Just as today so many *think* Israel is the key to the end...when they're NOT! The key to the end is when Jesus returns NOT when Israel builds a temple! Even if Israel does build a temple it's not acceptable to God...so it will be a building of FALSE WORSHIP...because Jesus came and fulfilled it!!!

How often have the majority been in line with God throughout time?

Yep

Here's your error. How many times have I told you I'm concerned with ONLY what is true to scripture? Therefore I accept what is true from scripture...so understand this...I DO NOT ACCEPT ALL OF WHAT PRETERISM TEACHES whether full pretism or partial preterism...and I certainly reject the dispensational thought because it's simply untenable...and basically because they see everything literal ignoring HOW Jesus, the prophets and the apostles speak of these things of the end...and most of all because they IGNORE HISTORICAL FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY!!!

This is not a popularity contest! This is rightly dividing the word of God...and EVERY PERSON will have their praise of God by how they understand God's word"

Once again wrong. I have told you...when I began to read for myself through the entire bible (the first time in 1989), I began to see through reading things dispensationalist say that where already fulfilled. I simply backed off ANY POSITION on the end times and continued to study the scriptures.

It was when I began to see the allegory of the apostles and prophets...and that it was CONSISTENT throughout scripture that I began to embrace *some* of what mainly partial preterism teaches. While full preterism is clearly wrong in saying Christ returned a second time...much of what they teach as historic fulfillment is true.

That's fine...but the question is ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE...or are you concerned about who thinks you're right? Are you concerned with what *most* people believe or what you read through scripture?

How many people did Jesus leave with a bitter taste?

We haven't come 2000 years for a popularity contest on God's word about the end either.

Now...we have examined each other about "statements of faith" and virtually are in agreement about that. However when it comes to what God teaches of the end we're don't agree. But we both agree Christ is returning...it's about HOW that happens that's the issue. So you keep studying...and I certainly will too.

Id love to see you break down Romans 11 and still try and claim the Jewish remnant dont still exist with a straight face..

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:25 clearly indicates a separation between the Gentiles and Israel.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

 

[shturt678]

Id love to see you break down Romans 11 and still try and claim the Jewish remnant dont still exist with a straight face..

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:25 clearly indicates a separation between the Gentiles and Israel.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom.11:25, 26: The remnant = all spiritual Israel, ie, God's grace despite the petrifaction of the rest, all God's true spiritual Israel, all of it that really deserves the name and accepts Jesus as Savior knowng they are a sinner, will be saved.

Head's up on the text: "....that for Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles shall come in, (comma) v.26 and thus all Israel will be saved (Jews that accept our Lord and know they are a sinner)"

Humble pie Jack

 

[ebedmelech]

xXChristPeripheralXx,

Since you asked for a response...I did a thread titled "The Case For The Israel Of God" in which I gave a response to Biblewriter who had done his thread titled "The True Meaning Of Romans 9-11".

This was my explanation of Romans 11:
In Romans 11:1-4, Paul makes it clear that God has not totally cast off Israel:
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.”
4 But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”

It is clear that God didn’t totally turn away from Israel despite their breaking of the Sinaitic Covenant God made with them. Paul further makes the point that he, being a Jew confirms that God has not rejected Israel.

Paul turns to the prophet Elijah to demonstrate this. The story is in 1 Kings 19, Elijah went up against the prophets of Baal, and they were all killed for their idolatry after God answered Elijah by fire and devoured Elijah’s sacrifice. Jezebel threatened to kill Elijah and he became fearful. Elijah complained to God that he was all alone. However God informed Elijah that He had reserved 7000 who were still faithful to Him ( a remnant).

Paul now uses that point (the remnant of 7000), to again demonstrate God’s grace and sovereignty:
Romans 11:5, 6:
5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

The apostle wants us to understand that God is saving a remnant of Jews by His own gracious choice! Paul makes it clear that the remnant is being chosen for nothing they did, but simply by God’s sovereign grace and mercy!

Now Paul explains how God is now dealing with Israel in Romans 11:7:
7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

Many of Israel didn’t obtain salvation by faith in God. Paul reveals to us that most of Israel has been hardened by God, as a result of their failure, but that a remnant is being saved. He quotes Isaiah 29:10 to make this point! The Isaiah 29 prophecy is one of the destruction of Jerusalem that would come at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar, and also the blinding of Israel as punishment. Romans 11:8:

8 just as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, Eyes to see not and ears to hear not, Down to this very day.”

This is part Israel’s punishment by God. We see it as we read the gospels. Many of Israel could not see nor understand much of the teaching of Christ during His ministry, and Isaiah 29:10 is why. Paul informs us that this was prophesied by Isaiah, and he further points out that David also prophesied it in Psalm 69:22, 23...at Romans 11:9, 10:

9 And David says, “Let their table become a snare and a trap, And a stumbling block and a retribution to them.
10 “Let their eyes be darkened to see not, And bend their backs forever.”

Paul now focuses on the point that because of Israel’s sin, God granted salvation to the Gentiles, and that God would make Israel jealous because of it! Romans 11:11, 12:

11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.
12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!

A tremendous point is now made by Paul that the Gentiles are part of the fulfillment of Israel. This is the point at which “the Israel of God” becomes very clear. And where many miss that God has SPIRITUAL ISRAEL in mind!!!

Paul now begins to combine Jews and Gentiles as ONE as well as pointing out that through his ministry to the Gentiles, he hopes to cause more Jews to be saved Romans 11:13-15:

13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.
15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

Paul looks to God’s accepting of the Jews at verse 15. Now at verse 16, Paul begins to help us understand the union of Jews and Gentiles into one using the example of “baking dough” and an “olive tree” in Romans 11:16, 17:

16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

This is tremendous as it reveals God’s plan even more! Verse 16 is saying “the first piece of dough” is Israel, the “lump” are the Gentiles. Verse 17 is saying the the “wild olive” is the Gentiles, who have been grafted in to grow from the “rich root of the olive tree, which is Israel. Through this example is the union of Gentiles and Jews into one!

Paul now move to warn the Gentiles not to become prideful by the current situation. Romans 11:18:

18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

Speaking in fleshly terms, Paul is warning Gentiles (the branches), not to be arrogant towards Jews (the root), because, it is because of the Jews failure that Gentiles have obtained salvation!

We have seen this in church history where Gentile persecute the Jews because of the crucifixion, and it is their ignorance of the scriptures they do this.
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