The Evolution of Morality

[Oncedeceived]

And what of eight year olds with leukemia?

What if God plans our life with us before we are born? What if HE and this little girl decided that she would have this disease for a purpose. What if she is the one that decided that it would create a certain action that could be used for her or someone in some way we are not privy to?

What if when the plan is created between the person and God that there are roads that can lead to different results and it depends on the person to determine what they will do in each situation. However, they are allowed to choose what they want during the trip?

 

[bhsmte]

What if God plans our life with us before we are born? What if HE and this little girl decided that she would have this disease for a purpose. What if she is the one that decided that it would create a certain action that could be used for her or someone in some way we are not privy to?

What if when the plan is created between the person and God that there are roads that can lead to different results and it depends on the person to determine what they will do in each situation. However, they are allowed to choose what they want during the trip?

How exactly does God plan someone's life with them before they are born?

 

[Oncedeceived]

How exactly does God plan someone's life with them before they are born?

I chose you before I formed you in the womb; I set you apart before you were born. I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

 

[bhsmte]

I chose you before I formed you in the womb; I set you apart before you were born. I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

Uh huh.

But you stated; "He and the little girl" as if they got together on the plan for her. How could this happen, if she was not born yet?

 

[HitchSlap]

What if God plans our life with us before we are born? What if HE and this little girl decided that she would have this disease for a purpose. What if she is the one that decided that it would create a certain action that could be used for her or someone in some way we are not privy to?

What if when the plan is created between the person and God that there are roads that can lead to different results and it depends on the person to determine what they will do in each situation. However, they are allowed to choose what they want during the trip?

Yeah, I still wouldn't give eight year olds leukemia. That makes me a better person.

 

[Davian]

What if God plans our life with us before we are born? What if HE and this little girl decided that she would have this disease for a purpose. What if she is the one that decided that it would create a certain action that could be used for her or someone in some way we are not privy to?

What if when the plan is created between the person and God that there are roads that can lead to different results and it depends on the person to determine what they will do in each situation. However, they are allowed to choose what they want during the trip?

What of those mothers and children that die in childbirth? My wife and first child narrowly avoided that fate. What purpose might that serve?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Uh huh.

But you stated; "He and the little girl" as if they got together on the plan for her. How could this happen, if she was not born yet?

Right. We have souls. It is possible that we know God prior to being born.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yeah, I still wouldn't give eight year olds leukemia. That makes me a better person.

I don't know and either do you. If you had all the knowledge that is needed to determine what is behind all things, it might be. We as human beings without all knowledge look at this child and we would place ourselves in their place and take the pain away any way we could. So I feel as you do. However, I do know God and know Him as loving. So it is a paradox for me.

 

[bhsmte]

Right. We have souls. It is possible that we know God prior to being born.

Do you personally have knowledge of knowing God before you were born?

 

[HitchSlap]

Right. We have souls. It is possible that we know God prior to being born.

Which cell carries the soul, the sperm or the ovum?

 

[HitchSlap]

I don't know and either do you. If you had all the knowledge that is needed to determine what is behind all things, it might be. We as human beings without all knowledge look at this child and we would place ourselves in their place and take the pain away any way we could. So I feel as you do. However, I do know God and know Him as loving. So it is a paradox for me.

Yes, I do know. How unfortunate that you do not. If I had power to give eight year olds leukemia, I wouldn't. It's pretty cut and dried.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, I do know. How unfortunate that you do not. If I had power to give eight year olds leukemia, I wouldn't. It's pretty cut and dried.

Well you see, since there are so many realities in the world that do not align with an all loving all powerful God, one needs to manufacture reasons why reality is what it is. So, lets come up with a story that God had this plan together with the person, to cause them to suffer, for the greater good of course.

It all makes perfect sense, if you really really want it to.

 

[HitchSlap]

Well you see, since there are so many realities in the world that do not align with an all loving all powerful God, one needs to manufacture reasons why reality is what it is. So, lets come up with a story that God had this plan together with the person, to cause them to suffer, for the greater good of course.

It all makes perfect sense, if you really really want it to.

Indeed. Reality can be harsh, but I believe it's best to see things as they are.

 

[Davian]

Right. We have souls.

What is a "soul"?

It is possible that we know God prior to being born.

How did you determine that this is possible?

 

[Loudmouth]

You don't have the ability to determine what pain and suffering is for.

But you do?

Once you invoke ignorance of why God does this or that you open the door to God using pain and suffering for immoral uses. Like you say . . . you don't know.

 

[biggles53]

I don't know and either do you. If you had all the knowledge that is needed to determine what is behind all things, it might be. We as human beings without all knowledge look at this child and we would place ourselves in their place and take the pain away any way we could. So I feel as you do. However, I do know God and know Him as loving. So it is a paradox for me.

None of us will ever have "all the knowledge" about anything.........but why do we need that to decide what is right and wrong...? I would never deliberately create a situation whereby an innocent child would suffer terribly.....and I dare say, given some of your previous comments, neither would you...

And why would we act that way...?....because, without having anywhere near "all the knowledge", we nevertheless know enough to realise that causing suffering to others is just plain wrong...!

What a lot your god could learn from good people like us.....

 

[Ginger123]

What if God plans our life with us before we are born? What if HE and this little girl decided that she would have this disease for a purpose. What if she is the one that decided that it would create a certain action that could be used for her or someone in some way we are not privy to?

What if when the plan is created between the person and God that there are roads that can lead to different results and it depends on the person to determine what they will do in each situation. However, they are allowed to choose what they want during the trip?

I think this shows just how hopelessly you have lost your way, you're dreaming up ways to get around what you know you should be believing, what purpose could it possible serve to give a child a horrible disease?
But I have no doubt given the mind set you're in you will think of one.

 

[nuttypiglet]

What is a "soul"?

How did you determine that this is possible?

The Soul is the REAL you. There are two parts to us, the body (vessel) and Soul. The Soul is your experiences, memories and even your personality. It contains all the information for your physical make up. Without a body, the Soul is unable to think or dream, it needs a body. Upon death, the Soul receives a new body that is not corruptible, a body of spirit which is eternal. We were trapped until the sacrifice from God, trapped in only being able to have a flesh body which had to die due to sin. We are now able to continue to the next stage and receive a spirit body.
How do we determine if this is possible? well, you could ask the many people who have temporarily died in surgery and been revived. Oh and it isn't a trick of the mind, some research has shown they had no brain activity in that time. No brain activity=no dreams or thoughts.

 

[Ginger123]

The Soul is the REAL you. There are two parts to us, the body (vessel) and Soul. The Soul is your experiences, memories and even your personality. It contains all the information for your physical make up. Without a body, the Soul is unable to think or dream, it needs a body. Upon death, the Soul receives a new body that is not corruptible, a body of spirit which is eternal. We were trapped until the sacrifice from God, trapped in only being able to have a flesh body which had to die due to sin. We are now able to continue to the next stage and receive a spirit body.
How do we determine if this is possible? well, you could ask the many people who have temporarily died in surgery and been revived. Oh and it isn't a trick of the mind, some research has shown they had no brain activity in that time. No brain activity=no dreams or thoughts.

What if there is no REAL you?

Do babies born with damaged brains still have a soul? Is your soul affected by brain damage before you die?
if a baby is born dead what kind of a soul goes to heaven? if a soul enters the body at conception what happens to the souls of miscarried babies?
I have no doubt that simple answers have been thought up for all of these questions by people over the years.

Would you still be a Christian if you were not promised an after life?

 

[biggles53]

The Soul is the REAL you. There are two parts to us, the body (vessel) and Soul. The Soul is your experiences, memories and even your personality. It contains all the information for your physical make up. Without a body, the Soul is unable to think or dream, it needs a body. Upon death, the Soul receives a new body that is not corruptible, a body of spirit which is eternal. We were trapped until the sacrifice from God, trapped in only being able to have a flesh body which had to die due to sin. We are now able to continue to the next stage and receive a spirit body.
How do we determine if this is possible? well, you could ask the many people who have temporarily died in surgery and been revived. Oh and it isn't a trick of the mind, some research has shown they had no brain activity in that time. No brain activity=no dreams or thoughts.

Ummm......let's just assume that those near death experiences actually revealed a contact with a god........how do you know it was yours...?