Do muslims worship the moon god?

[wn123455]

Hubal - WikiIslam Do muslims worship a moon god?

 

[awitch]

What would be wrong about that if they did?

 

[wn123455]

What would be wrong about that if they did?

I am just curious.

 

[smaneck]

Hubal - WikiIslam Do muslims worship a moon god?

No.

Do Christians worship the Canaanite god of war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_(Canaanite_deity)

 

[TG123]

Hubal - WikiIslam Do muslims worship a moon god?

Ummmm.... no. This is one of many crackpot theories about Islam that are completely false. There are no sahih hadiths where it is stated that Allah is Hubal, and such a thing is found nowhere in the Quran.

The "Allah is a moon god" drivel makes as much sense as "the Catholic church was in business 300 years before Christ". None of the quotes on the page you cited say such a thing, even.

There are enough mistakes in the Quran and hadiths that can be pointed out, without the need to repeat nonsense, like what is quoted from wikiIslam.

Allah is the Arabic word for God. It is and has been used by Christians, Jews and Muslims for centuries.

 

[Cacaomesa]

Ummmm.... no. This is one of many crackpot theories about Islam that are completely false. There are no sahih hadiths where it is stated that Allah is Hubal, and such a thing is found nowhere in the Quran.

The "Allah is a moon god" drivel makes as much sense as "the Catholic church was in business 300 years before Christ". None of the quotes on the page you cited say such a thing, even.

If you had actually read the link provided by OP you would notice that the link does not claim that Allah is the moon God, or that Muslims worship the moon God. But you never clicked the link and decided to reply anyway.

OP's question was:

Do muslims worship a moon god?

If that was true, of course they would deny it but as the link mentions:
- Hubal (هب&#1604 was the head moon-god of the polytheistic Arab pantheon at the Ka'aba.

The link does not make the claim that Allah is the moon God. It just says that Hubal was a God present in the Kaaba before Islam arrived. That is all.
All the references are present there. First we have to note that we are talking about Hubal, not Allah. All the link says it that the pagans used to have a moon God called Hubal which was placed in the Kaaba. Muslims destroyed the idols inside the Kaakab and today they all bow down to the Kaaba. Strange/funny/"whoa", the reaction is up to us.
The link says:
- What is certain, however, is that aspects of polytheistic worship have been incorporated into the Muslims' worship of Allah.

Here's where you learn that these things in Islam are COMMON to Paganism and in specific, the paganism which was going on there before Islam arrived. Such as:
- going around the Kaaba. Pagans used to go around the Kaaba too. Can you explain that?
- Ihram (requirement in Islam): this was originally a requirement in the Kaaba for the times the idols were present there and were worshipped by the Pagans.
- "Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca."
- Veneration of the Black-stone: "Though Muhammad threw out 360 other objects at the Ka’aba, he retained this Black Stone and continued the practice of kissing it. It is this same stone that the pre-Islamic pagans once kissed, that Muslims kiss today when visiting Mecca. "
If you dont want to get your information from websites critical of Islam, you can look at any other site, such as Wikipedia (references present): en.wikipedia DOT org/wiki/Black_Stone#History_and_tradition
It wont let me post a link so just go to the Black stone article on Wikipedia and look at the History section.
- There are other similarities between Islamic traditions and pre-pagan worship.


So the answer to OP's question is basically: "The answer is no, but there's some interesting information to look at, and there are many traditions in Islam which have been directly borrowed from pre-Islamic Pagan worship ..."

That is an accurate answer. Feel free to point out any specific errors I made.

There are enough mistakes in the Quran and hadiths that can be pointed out, without the need to repeat nonsense, like what is quoted from wikiIslam.

Pointing out errors or criticizing Islam is what these websites do. So what specific "nonsense" is present in the OP's link? All the references are present.
Also give a few quick examples of the errors in the Quran so I know where you're coming from.
Do you have any recommendations of your own for websites that point out errors in the Quran and hadith, or those which are critical of Islam? I doubt you do. You'll likely say "Just read the Quran and hadith for yourself".
You personally believe the Quran has errors, so if you put all that into writing on a website, are you saying that automatically invalidates the website? No, that doesnt make any sense.

Allah is the Arabic word for God. It is and has been used by Christians, Jews and Muslims for centuries.

That may be true however you should note that Allah, the Muslim is not the God of other religions. Allah said that if anyone doesn't convert to Islam, they'll burn in hellfire (Quran 48:13).
This is like me creating a new religion X revealed to me by a God named Alloohee, and claiming that THIS is the latest religions and all others must convert to it.
You can say that Allah and Alloohee are the same gods but they're not.
Allah was the creation of Muhammad's imagination, just like Alloohee is the creation of my imagination.

 

[sur]

Do muslims worship a moon god?

Muslims worship the Creator\the Designer of the universe, the eternal, who begets not, nor is He begotten.

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Q:52:35-36: Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.


Q:112:1-4: Say, "He is God Almighty, [who is] One, God Almighty, the Eternal, He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent

 

[ViaCrucis]

No.

Do Christians worship the Canaanite god of war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_(Canaanite_deity)

Pfft. No.

We worship the sun god.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[smaneck]

Pfft. No.

We worship the sun god.

-CryptoLutheran

LOL

Good to see you Crypto. We could use a few sane Christians about now.

 

[Arthra]

Hubal was one of the deities worshiped by pagan Arabs...

As H.M. Balyuzi explains

"It must be borne in mind that those men who gave their allegiance to Muhammad in the inaugural years of His ministry were called primarily to renounce the worship of their idols, to acknowledge the existence of one God, supreme over all, and to accept Muhammad as His Prophet and Messenger. There was no other obligation.

"But the renunciation of idols by a Meccan was no easy matter. The life of Mecca revolved round the four- square shrine of Ka'bah which housed al-Lat and al-'Uzza, Manat and Hubal and Taghut and other idols which Arabs came from near and far to worship. To become a Muslim meant cutting oneself away from a social milieu which was all one's native town could offer."

~ H.M. Balyuzi, Muhammad and the Course of Islam, p. 25

You'll note that whenever a new religion has emerged there may be some vestiges of the older religions still extant..Either the temple foundations of the earlier religion are used sometimes maybe a feast day of the older religion is appropriated or a ritual from the earlier practices is still used..

See:

Mithraic mysteries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In a wikipedia article there was also an interesting reference by Karen Armstrong to pre-Islamic Mecca in her book

"... Islam: A Short History, Karen Armstrong asserts that the Kaaba was at some point dedicated to Hubal, a Nabatean deity, and contained 360 idols that probably represented the days of the year. But by Muhammad's day, the Kaaba was venerated as the shrine of Allah, the High God. Once a year, tribes from all around the Arabian peninsula, whether Christian or pagan, would converge on Mecca to perform the Hajj, marking the widespread conviction that Allah was the same deity worshiped by monotheists."[18]

Kaaba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe someone with a copy of her book can check the reference.

 

[kenzo0]

What would be wrong about that if they did?

the wrong here was, its prophet claimed that he was sent by the same God who sent all prophets in the Bible

 

[Zoness]

Maybe its just the pagan in me but let's say they did worship the moon god, why would it matter?

 

[wn123455]

Maybe its just the pagan in me but let's say they did worship the moon god, why would it matter?

It would not matter. It doesn't matter what the muslims worship. I am curious and the muslims on this forums are very nice and smart people so I would like to get some valuable discussion information off them.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

The "moon god"-nonsense was cooked up by the same people who assert that Catholics are in fact pagans who worship the Queen of Heaven, and that Muhammad was a Catholic secret agent trying to spread Satan's influence further.


Although the crescent moon is now commonly associated with Islam, the symbol as such was not used in the early days of Islam, but only appeared on the stage of world history during the crusades.

In terms of etymology, both Allah (Arabian: "the God"), Elohim (Hebrew: "the Gods/The God [majestic plural]"), and El (Canaanite: "the God") are directly related to the same root.

Culturally speaking (and bolstered by every shred of archaeological evidence available), the ancient Israelites were an offshoot of the Canaanites, and it's quite likely that the henotheistic cult of YHVH started off as a sub-set of the Canaanite religion, gradually becoming bona fide monotheism and conflating the separate deities El and Yahweh.
They were a sect that radically re-defined elements of a pre-existing religion - just as Christianity did with (proto-)Judaism, Islam did with Christianity and Judaism, and the Baha'i faith did with all three of them.

 

[smaneck]

the wrong here was, its prophet claimed that he was sent by the same God who sent all prophets in the Bible

Who was originally the god of thunder and war.

 

[Cacaomesa]

The "moon god"-nonsense was cooked up by the same people who assert that Catholics are in fact pagans who worship the Queen of Heaven, and that Muhammad was a Catholic secret agent trying to spread Satan's influence further.

Although the crescent moon is now commonly associated with Islam, the symbol as such was not used in the early days of Islam, but only appeared on the stage of world history during the crusades.

In terms of etymology, both Allah (Arabian: "the God"), Elohim (Hebrew: "the Gods/The God [majestic plural]"), and El (Canaanite: "the God") are directly related to the same root.

Culturally speaking (and bolstered by every shred of archaeological evidence available), the ancient Israelites were an offshoot of the Canaanites, and it's quite likely that the henotheistic cult of YHVH started off as a sub-set of the Canaanite religion, gradually becoming bona fide monotheism and conflating the separate deities El and Yahweh.
They were a sect that radically re-defined elements of a pre-existing religion - just as Christianity did with (proto-)Judaism, Islam did with Christianity and Judaism, and the Baha'i faith did with all three of them.

You basically wrote the same reply that Tg123 wrote. Please see my reply to TG123.

Yes Muslims dont worship the moon god, however:
A. Hubal was the moon God and was an idol in the Kaaba before Islam. Evidence:
1. ("Hubal (هب&#1604 was the head moon-god of the polytheistic Arab pantheon at the Ka'aba." - Karen Armstrong (2000,2002). Islam: A Short History. pp. 11.)
2. "Hubal. An idol, God of the moon. It was set up in the Kabah and became the principle idol of the pagan Meccans. (Cyril Glassé, The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam [Harper & Row: San Francisco, 1989], p. 160; underline emphasis ours)"
3. (Muslim scholar writes): "Among the many deities that the Arabs worshiped in and around the Ka'bah were the god Hubal and the three goddesses Al-lat, al-'Uzza, and Manat. Hubal was originally a moon god, and perhaps also a rain god, as hubal means "vapor." Al-lat was perhaps a feminine form of Allah, whose name simply means the goddess...
While the Arabs professed Allah, an Arabic word meaning "the God," to be the supreme deity, they did not worship him, nor did he play an active role in their lives... (Mahmoud M. Ayoub, Islam: Faith and History [Oneworld Publications, Oxford England, 2004], p. 15; underline emphasis ours)

So Hubal was a moon God, in the Kaaba, before Islam.

B. Many traditions of Islam have been borrowed directly from pagan worship that used to go on in the Kaaba, before Islam. I wrote about this in my reply to TG123.

So one cannot simply say "this Allah moon-God theory is nonsense" without mentioning points A and B above.

 

[Arthra]

The Crescent Moon is an ancient symbol used in the Middle East ... It was used by the Sassanids of pre-Islamic Persia... See coin below... The Sassanids were Zoroastrians.. and didn't worship Hubal:

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

So one cannot simply say "this Allah moon-God theory is nonsense" without mentioning points A and B above.

So, there was a deity (among many, MANY deities in the Ka'aba) with a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NAME, whose portfolio was much smaller than the one of the monotheistic deity that came to replace him (and all the others), and whose iconography was not associated with the new religion.

What exactly is there to address again?

It's like insisting that the Christian God is in fact the Greek Zeus, because Zeus was portrayed as a white-bearded guy, and Christian iconography portrayed their deity in a similar fashion from the renaissance onwards.
"Zeus was the chief deity of the pantheon, and the New Testament was originally written in Greek. Likewise, Christians borrowed many elements of Graeco-Roman paganism, so obviously their deity is in fact Zeus."

 

[BruceDLimber]

Its not a "god on the moon" but the Crescent Star symbol resembling the crescent moon.

And it should be noted that graphic is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS given that there is NO WAY a star can appear within the circumference of the moon given their relative distances and sizes!

So sorry, but people--and Muslims in particular--should be smart enough to correct this to something that's at least possible.

Just the facts.


Bruce