Are they all lies?

[Aspireman]

Oh ok, maybe God forgot to list the different kind of gays Like this guy is that kind of gay and he is another kind of gay


So what is your problem with the word of God? You think you are wiser? It is all sexual immorality. So if you want to challenge God i would be happy to debate, but know its the word of God and he you are debating with.

I saw on your profile you have been a Christian for 1 year, and you join in 2006 so a few years now, or just the year? You might want to listen more than you object to people who have been in the faith longer. For one this is the baptist sections, and happen to know my views are with the church because i am formally being trained at a baptist college. Did Paul not tell us to submit to the elders of the church? Think there might be a reason for that?

Some use a knife and cut away the bad parts. I swing a sword and hack off the whole hand, I'm working on it.

A kid thinking he is Spider Man is one thing (I thought if I thought hard enough I could climb walls) but a profound thought by a 3 yr old? If your child came to you with questions like that what would you think or do? Where in the world would he get thoughts like that if no inside or outside influences were there? I understand that it's a sin, and it's up to us whether we act upon it.

 

[Bluelion]

A kid thinking he is Spider Man is one thing (I thought if I thought hard enough I could climb walls) but a profound thought by a 3 yr old? If your child came to you with questions like that what would you think or do? Where in the world would he get thoughts like that if no inside or outside influences were there? I understand that it's a sin, and it's up to us whether we act upon it.

first off a 3 year old does not have a profound thought. The human mind is not fully developed untill around 20, hence the drinking laws, and also Gods when everyone 20 and older when Israel was wonder the wilderness could not enter the promise land because of there sin. It seems God holds accountability at 20. So how is it this 3 year old knows what sex he wants to be when he doesn't even know what it means to be a boy or girl. He doesn't even know the weight of what he is saying.

Is this what society is come to giving 3 year olds credit that they know what they want in life? Why then do children need parents?

This kid still believes in santa, he has no idea what he wants or what the world is like, He is a child.

 

[Bluelion]

that is funny really spider man is one thing, but a 3 year old says he wants to be a girl that's a revelation. Lets give credit to that, but spider man is just ridicules, I got news for you so is a 3 year old who wants to be a girl.

 

[now faith]

Please provide verse and chapter that explicitly states otherwise.

Go look in a mirror and figure out what you were born with,then tell me how you choose

 

[now faith]

As adult men and women yes. But how does a 3 yr old child come up with thoughts like this without any inside or outside influences? Is he demon possessed? Family sins? Cursed? I don't get it. My thoughts as a child were way outside of the realm of normal child thoughts. At school age I thought a lot about death. Why are there so many people? What are they thinking? Do they have sex? Is this normal child thoughts?

A three year old does not even know about such things.

Their to busy climbing the walls to worry about what gender they are.

When my son was three he would water what ever plants in the mall he wanted to relieve himself in.

 

[Aspireman]

I don't have any children, so I guess I don't know how they think, my bad. I never had any siblings either, so I guess I would have no reason to think such things. But the sexual tension is another issue. I was addressed on these issues, and understand them more. No hard feelings.

 

[Skala]

That is not a Biblical View. so you know.

The Bible never says that sexuality is a choice, but it does say how you act is a choice.

It seems to me that the Biblical stance on homosexuality would be that just like straight people, they are called to abandon their lusts, die to self, give up what their flesh desires, and persue holiness instead.

Both straight people and gay people have the same calling: deny yourself, and obey Christ.

As a straight person, I am attracted to women and am prone to lust, but my actions are a choice. I can choose to deny what my flesh desires and instead focus on spiritual things and obedience to Christ. It's the same for gay people. God demands of them to deny themselves and give up what their flesh desires.

 

[98cwitr]

Go look in a mirror and figure out what you were born with,then tell me how you choose

I was born straight...being straight wasn't a choice I made. The choices I make are those involving either action or non-action on sexual impulse.

 

[Bluelion]

The Bible never says that sexuality is a choice, but it does say how you act is a choice.

It seems to me that the Biblical stance on homosexuality would be that just like straight people, they are called to abandon their lusts, die to self, give up what their flesh desires, and persue holiness instead.

Both straight people and gay people have the same calling: deny yourself, and obey Christ.

As a straight person, I am attracted to women and am prone to lust, but my actions are a choice. I can choose to deny what my flesh desires and instead focus on spiritual things and obedience to Christ. It's the same for gay people. God demands of them to deny themselves and give up what their flesh desires.

God does say it is a choice he says it "goes against nature". What does that clear say, that you are not born with it, sense if you were born with it he would say and some mens nature is to seek other men, but he says it is not there nature but perverted desires. People have all kinds of desires, but we don't act on them, how do we have that power, Because Jesus we have a choice. Even the wicked God calls out to them to turn them from there desires, and they to have a choice to choose God or there desire. It is a choice. When did sinners become innocence victims. God hates that by the way when you proclaim what is good as evil and what is evil as good.

Sinners are guilty of there own choices, Just as i was, but now I have a new nature, so when i sin I am forgiven, and i struggle to put sin to death in me. Which is the Christian struggle. I am not Guilty because Christ paid my debt, but I do fall to temptation some times.A sinner who does not have Christ is simply guilty of sin before God. It is a choice, chose God or reject him, Lust after men lust after women, or control your self. Some have addictions and that is whole nother level of temptation, Those people long to be freed which may not happen till they see Jesus, yet they struggle to break free and that is a choice to struggle.

It really doesn't matter if it is a choice or not they should struggle with as other christian men struggle with not lusting after women.

 

[Bluelion]

I was born straight...being straight wasn't a choice I made. The choices I make are those involving either action or non-action on sexual impulse.

That is a worldly view which God tells us not to have. We are to have a spiritual view, a Godly view. Not one based on flesh, greed, and death.

 

[OGM]

That is a worldly view which God tells us not to have. We are to have a spiritual view, a Godly view. Not one based on flesh, greed, and death.

But we are flesh too. Try not to eat for a month or drink water for a week. You will soon realize how much the component of flesh makes a difference.

 

[Bluelion]

But we are flesh too. Try not to eat for a month or drink water for a week. You will soon realize how much the component of flesh makes a difference.

It is written man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of The Living God.

Jesus disciples said to him eat something Jesus said"I have a food you do not have knowledge of" he was talking about The holy Spirit.

I am not flesh you maybe But I am Spirit, my flesh will die, and men can kill my flesh but they can not touch my Spirit. My Spirit will live on. So a yeah that is also a worldly view what you said.

 

[now faith]

The Bible never says that sexuality is a choice, but it does say how you act is a choice.

It seems to me that the Biblical stance on homosexuality would be that just like straight people, they are called to abandon their lusts, die to self, give up what their flesh desires, and persue holiness instead.

Both straight people and gay people have the same calling: deny yourself, and obey Christ.

As a straight person, I am attracted to women and am prone to lust, but my actions are a choice. I can choose to deny what my flesh desires and instead focus on spiritual things and obedience to Christ. It's the same for gay people. God demands of them to deny themselves and give up what their flesh desires.

Oh I get it Calvinist have free will to choose when it fits their ideals!

 

[now faith]

I was born straight...being straight wasn't a choice I made. The choices I make are those involving either action or non-action on sexual impulse.

Well if you make a choice that throws predestination out the window

Odd the one statement I make that has a concept of predestination by gender,

Gets trumped by choice by free will.

But I do not know if you are a Calvinest so forgive my presumption.

 

[98cwitr]

Well if you make a choice that throws predestination out the window

Odd the one statement I make that has a concept of predestination by gender,

Gets trumped by choice by free will.

But I do not know if you are a Calvinest so forgive my presumption.

Not quite...my choices are simply perceptions of a static reality and future...all choices that I do make in this life are already made.

 

[98cwitr]

God does say it is a choice he says it "goes against nature".

Where does it say that? I've already addressed your Romans 1 misunderstanding...so let's try this again.

 

[OGM]

I am not flesh you maybe But I am Spirit, my flesh will die, and men can kill my flesh but they can not touch my Spirit. My Spirit will live on. So a yeah that is also a worldly view what you said.

So......you don't breath, eat, bleed? If you do any of the three, you are flesh.

 

[Skala]

Oh I get it Calvinist have free will to choose when it fits their ideals!

I don't think you understand Calvinism, as Calvinism affirms that men have the faculty (ability) of making choices and choosing whatever they desire. Calvinists simply agree with the Bible that our choices are determined by our nature, thus we freely and willingly choose in accordance with that nature. If we are fallen and unregeneate, we are hostile to Christ and find the gospel foolish, thus we choose accordingly. (we reject Christ). But once grace comes and removes our blindfolds, and quickens us so that we are no longer spiritually dead, (Eph 2) but rather alive to the spiritual things of God, we realize our need for a savior and turn to Christ, because God is converting us and has opened our eyes and given us ears to hear. Thus, we choose accordingly (we accept Christ)

"Making a choice" does not trump predestination, as God predestined Christ to be murdered yet it is the wicked men who chose to carry out God's plan. (Acts 4:27-28)

Perhaps you should learn Calvinism from the horse's mouth, and stop believing what you heard other anti-Calvinists tell you.

 

[Skala]

God does say it is a choice he says it "goes against nature". What does that clear say, that you are not born with it, sense if you were born with it he would say and some mens nature is to seek other men, but he says it is not there nature but perverted desires. People have all kinds of desires, but we don't act on them, how do we have that power, Because Jesus we have a choice. Even the wicked God calls out to them to turn them from there desires, and they to have a choice to choose God or there desire. It is a choice. When did sinners become innocence victims. God hates that by the way when you proclaim what is good as evil and what is evil as good.

Sinners are guilty of there own choices, Just as i was, but now I have a new nature, so when i sin I am forgiven, and i struggle to put sin to death in me. Which is the Christian struggle. I am not Guilty because Christ paid my debt, but I do fall to temptation some times.A sinner who does not have Christ is simply guilty of sin before God. It is a choice, chose God or reject him, Lust after men lust after women, or control your self. Some have addictions and that is whole nother level of temptation, Those people long to be freed which may not happen till they see Jesus, yet they struggle to break free and that is a choice to struggle.

It really doesn't matter if it is a choice or not they should struggle with as other christian men struggle with not lusting after women.

I think a Biblical case should be made that if people are born with same-sex attraction, it is part of the fallenness and brokenness the human race experiences as we, as a race, fall deeper and deeper into sin.

Just as some people are born into this world with an inclination towards stealing, or anger, or violence, it is fair to say that some are born into this world with an inclination towards all kinds of lustful sins, including homosexuality.

That being said, as I argued earlier, this does not excuse them for acting upon their desires, as those desires are part of being a fallen human. If someone is attracted to the same sex, he is still called to deny what his flesh desires, deny himself, and follow Christ.

 

[Bluelion]

Where does it say that? I've already addressed your Romans 1 misunderstanding...so let's try this again.

Then if you read Romans you know Paul said women turn from the natural ways and had sex with each other. What are we in kindergarten?