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Dealing with a spouse who won't listen?

LostInTheBass

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Hi all. I have been married for close to three years now and for the past year or so I have been having a difficult time dealing with a wife who will not listen. I almost suspect that it isn't entirely her fault, but rather a culture-bound syndrome (I'm American, she's S. Korean) because I we go to a small Korean/American church and whenever there is an issue, we Americans will bring it up, talk about it, and offer help in fixing it, but the Koreans just sweep it all underneath the rug and hope it goes away. Needless to say, our church has a lumpy rug right now.

Nevertheless, culture-bound syndrome or not, this is driving me insane and giving me more stress than what I am already struggling to deal with.

When I say that my wife won't listen, I am specifically talking about more important issues. If I need something from the grocery but I don't have time to get it, she will be more than happy to pick it up for me. But when it comes to serious issues, like her health or behavior, she refuses to listen. At all.

Example 1: She has recently been suffering from what I presume to be IBS. I suspect this because I have been dealing with a defective digestive system for 20 years of my 25-year existence on this planet. I have found that diet changes, exercise, and probiotics have helped me, so I suggested that she change her diet, get some exercise, and take probiotics like I do. Does she do it? Nope. She just responds with 'tsh' and continues doing whatever she was doing before.

Example 2: This is a bit of a continuation of the first example in that it deals with exercise. She won't do it. And she needs to do it because she is starting to let herself go and we need to nip it before she ends up overweight with diabetes. We started seeing a personal trainer for a brief period of time, and then I continued on my own. She tried continuing on her own but slowly became less and less serious about it. She still goes to the gym occasionally, but when I tell her that she needs to be lifting weights like I am, her response is again, 'tsh.' And then she decided to do her once-a-week stretch/treadmill visit to the gym thinking that it will work. When I tell her it doesn't work like that, I get a 'tsh.' Sometimes she will throw it back at me and say 'you need to go to the gym too!' as if I haven't been going. There was a month when I got hit with severe GERD that made me sick every time I ate anything, and I barely had the energy to deal with life much less work out. But apparently that's not a valid reason for missing workouts.

Example 3: Her bloody iPhone. She would stay up late at night in bed watching Korean dramas on her iPhone and the light would constantly disturb my sleep. I told her this over and over. After about a week, she started playing with her iPhone under the covers, which still let out enough light to disturb my sleep. It took nearly a month before she finally stopped doing it. Then she went away for about 2 months to visit family in Korea, and when she got back she started doing the same crap again. She's slowly getting better at putting her phone away and going to sleep, but I should have to tell her to turn the freaking phone off in the first place!

Example 4: Hobbies. I am an extreme introvert. She's an extreme extrovert. Daily life really stresses me out and I need hours of alone time to recharge by losing myself in one of my hobbies, most of which are solitary in nature and deal with very narrow, focuses interests. She often complains that I never do anything with her, which is partially true because of the aforementioned issues with stress (I'm almost positive I have Executive Function Disorder). I do have two hobbies that can and do involve other people, and I have offered to get her involved in them but she has no interest. I have also encouraged her to find her own hobbies, and she agrees that she needs to, but she never actually DOES anything about it. She just sits on the couch and watches Korean TV shows.

There are many more instances where she doesn't listen/doesn't seem to have any regard for me, but this post is already much longer than I wanted it to be. But the main point is that she just does not listen. I have tried bringing it up with her, but she immediately retaliates with 'you don't listen to me either' with is an outright lie. I listen to her, consider what she has to say, and I make a decision. Many times that decision is to not take her advice because it a) is completely illogical and wouldn't work or b) it's completely wrong because she didn't listen to/understand what I said.

I have been dealing with this for so long I just don't know what to do anymore.
 

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1. Have you talked to any 2nd generation Koreans about this? Be sure you understand their cultural cues, and realize that "jus' 'cause it's 'Merican don't mean it's right." I've spent 13 years in the far east, and I can already see some cultural points you and the other Americans are missing in your description of your church relationships.

2. You want her to develop her own interests or you want her to go along with your interests, but I don't think I heard you say you were willing to develop interests with her that are new to both of you or--as she already complains--that you do anything she does.

3. I'm not really seeing any evidence that you are listening to her--not really listening. Frankly, it takes an effort for men to learn to listen to women anyway, even without cultural differences layered over the gender difference.
 
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Example 1: if she isn't bothered enough to do anything about it, drop it. You've said your bit, now it's up to her if she wants to change her lifestyle or not. It's her body so it's really not your call what she does with it.

Example 2: there's encouragement and then there's nagging. IMO, you've crossed the line from one to the other. See my advice for Example 1. :)

Example 3: I can see how that would be annoying. Have you tried wearing a sleep mask to block out the light? If that doesn't help, I'd ask her to keep the iPhone out of the bedroom when you are trying to sleep. If she's not willing, maybe you have to hit the couch. Again, you can only nag so much before you have to try finding a different solution.

Example 4: "Hours" of alone time daily seems like a lot to me if you are married and working. (Do you work?) There are only so many hours in a day! It sounds to me like she simply wants to spend some time hanging out with you than you're currently allowing. Can you try making some suggestions of activities you two can do together that aren't just based upon your two hobbies (which obviously don't interest her)? She sounds bored and lonely.

Basically, I think you could try to be more of a friend to your wife and less of a parent figure. Cool it with the nagging and controlling behaviour, and inject a little fun and romance into your relationship!!
 
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1. Have you talked to any 2nd generation Koreans about this? Be sure you understand their cultural cues, and realize that "jus' 'cause it's 'Merican don't mean it's right." I've spent 13 years in the far east, and I can already see some cultural points you and the other Americans are missing in your description of your church relationships.

The 2nd Generation Koreans at our church are too Americanized for that, and tend to agree with us "'Mericans." As for "missing things" I should probably explain in detail what is going on in our church relationships because you're missing the total picture, but that is another topic for another time.

2. You want her to develop her own interests or you want her to go along with your interests, but I don't think I heard you say you were willing to develop interests with her that are new to both of you or--as she already complains--that you do anything she does.

I'm willing to develop interests with her, but she has shot down all of the ideas that I have suggested and won't do any searching on her own. A year or so ago she suggested that she wanted to try painting, so I bought her an acrylic starter kit with paints, brushes, an easel, and a blank canvas. It's been collecting dust since I bought it.

3. I'm not really seeing any evidence that you are listening to her--not really listening. Frankly, it takes an effort for men to learn to listen to women anyway, even without cultural differences layered over the gender difference.

If that's the case, then do you believe that the only way to listen is by doing whatever it is your spouse tells you to? Now, before someone jumps in and claims I'm being hypocritical for seemingly wanting my wife to do what I tell her while myself not doing what she tells me, I want to point out that this is not what I'm getting at. Listening is saying, "You know what, honey, that's good advice, but I don't think that's going to work and here's why." I don't even get that. I just get a 'tsh.' That, is not listening.

Example 4: "Hours" of alone time daily seems like a lot to me if you are married and working. (Do you work?) There are only so many hours in a day! It sounds to me like she simply wants to spend some time hanging out with you than you're currently allowing. Can you try making some suggestions of activities you two can do together that aren't just based upon your two hobbies (which obviously don't interest her)? She sounds bored and lonely.

Grad school, right now. This topic is an issue that irks me to no end because, apparently, the only person/entity who seems to understand this about me is God Himself. It doesn't matter how I try to explain this to other people, they either cannot or will not understand it. The hours of alone time (there's a technical word for it, but my brain isn't finding it at the moment) is a necessity for me. If I go for more than a week without it, I will mentally shut down and I can no longer function in daily life. It's happened to me before, and I nearly flunked out of college because of it.

As far as suggestions, see above.
 
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I think that maybe "love" colored the truth of the cultural and personality differences. The first red flag...you say you're an introvert and she is an extrovert. Second, the cultural differences can be seriously difficult to understand, blend and/or get over.

The cultural differences can be overcome if BOTH parties are willing to learn about the other culture and compromise. It won't be easy. I am Latina, first generation born here and although I was born, raised and educated in the USA, my cultural identity, as passed to me from my family is Latino. My husband's family is basic, white bread American, he has ancestors that fought in the Revolutionary war. I still speak, read and write in Spanish, honestly prefer rice, beans and tortillas to almost anything, won't eat peanut butter or hot dogs for love nor money. I didn't grow up with those things. It was a struggle for the first few years of our marriage until we learned to deal with those differences.

Patience is your best friend right now.
 
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Can you love and accept her the way she is? I'm sure you mean well but you are bringing up things that people don't just do because someone tells them they should. When was the last time you did any of those things or anything like it because she asked you to?

For many guys I know, telling their wives they need to work out because they are letting themselves go leads to sleeping on the couch.
 
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Can you love and accept her the way she is? I'm sure you mean well but you are bringing up things that people don't just do because someone tells them they should. When was the last time you did any of those things or anything like it because she asked you to?

For many guys I know, telling their wives they need to work out because they are letting themselves go leads to sleeping on the couch.

Yes. Paradoxically, demonstrating to your wife how much you appreciate her will more successfully stimulate her to self-improvement than telling her how much she needs to improve herself.
 
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I don't put it like that. I simply suggest "let's go to the gym and improve ourselves. I don't bring up the fact that she's "letting herself go," though it's quickly becoming closer to my tongue as the weeks go by.

I can love her for the way she is, but at this point intimacy is a no-go until she hits the gym. I just can't do it. And I literally mean that.
 
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I don't put it like that. I simply suggest "let's go to the gym and improve ourselves. I don't bring up the fact that she's "letting herself go," though it's quickly becoming closer to my tongue as the weeks go by.

I can love her for the way she is, but at this point intimacy is a no-go until she hits the gym. I just can't do it. And I literally mean that.

From my experience there are two kinds of people when it comes to fitness. There are those who let themselves go and make up all kinds of excuses for it and then there are those who stay relatively fit. It seems to be a personal thing. I've never heard of a spouse saying to another to work out or eat different and the other spouse actually doing that for any meaningful length of time.

I am not saying you are wrong. I agree with you more than you know. I've just never seen it work out well.
 
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From my experience there are two kinds of people when it comes to fitness. There are those who let themselves go and make up all kinds of excuses for it and then there are those who stay relatively fit. It seems to be a personal thing. I've never heard of a spouse saying to another to work out or eat different and the other spouse actually doing that for any meaningful length of time.

I am not saying you are wrong. I agree with you more than you know. I've just never seen it work out well.

I've recently done some searching on that, and it appears that the only way it has been successful is that one spouse gets fit and eventually the other realizes they should probably do the same.
 
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I've recently done some searching on that, and it appears that the only way it has been successful is that one spouse gets fit and eventually the other realizes they should probably do the same.

That might work. I know a couple who stopped smoking and started running together. They both got fit.
 
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I can love her for the way she is, but at this point intimacy is a no-go until she hits the gym. I just can't do it. And I literally mean that.

That is a fatal error with a wife. If you show that you're pleased to be married to her, she will make herself pleasing for you. If you withdraw from her, she will withdraw from you.

If you withdraw from her and she responds by getting fit...she's getting herself ready to find someone else.
 
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I can love her for the way she is, but at this point intimacy is a no-go until she hits the gym. I just can't do it. And I literally mean that.

Everything you said after "but" negated what you said before the "but". Try saying "I can love her for the way she is," and putting that into practice instead of coming up with justifications for why you can't (won't).

I have a hard time garnering any sympathy for your "I can't do intimacy unless she loses weight" mentality. IMO, it's superficial. People grow old and bodies change. Husbands are commanded in the Bible to recognize and love the beauty in their wives for life...not try and make their wives conform to their standards of beauty, which is what I see you doing.

You have spent a lot of time picking her flaws apart and truly, they are not deal-breaking ones by any stretch of the imagination. I think you need to change your attitude/outlook and stop trying to change her.
 
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Rather than get distracted by the several scenarios and try to resolve each of them, I think it would be important to focus on the real issue: she won't listen to you.

Now, I know nothing of Korean culture. She could be not listening because in America, she does not have to and back home she did. Or she could be rebelling against being told that she needs to do this or that or whatever in order to suit what YOU want. (Actually, this came across loud and clear to me that you are quite self-centred and want her to live up to your standards rather than just let her be her. But that is another discussion)

The point is that she does not accept your influence. This is the sign of a deeper issue in the marriage. No one can change another. You cannot change her, and you should not try. Perhaps this is why she won't accept your influence now, I don't know. But if she is getting the message that you won't have sex with her because you think she's put on 5 lbs and is now not sexy, then how she is reacting is totally acceptable, normal and human.

It does not matter how this happened. The point is that you want to earn back the privilege of influencing her. How do you suppose you can do this? I doubt it's by telling her that you don't like this, you don't like that, the light from her iPhone is bothering you, she is not sexy enough for you, etc. You are rejecting her. And that is a danger sign in the marriage. If you continue to reject her, it's only downhill from there. Resentment sets in (If it hasn't already) and that will lead to contempt, attacks on character (which has already started by you saying 'she's let herself go' - iow, she's not up to my standards anymore).

Imo, the issue is less hers than it is yours. Get out of yourself and getting your own needs and wants met by making her into little more than a trophy wife. Love your wife, serve her, accept her, be passionate with her, let her know that she still takes your breath away and you would marry her all over again. Love her the way Jesus loves - sacrifice "many hours of alone time every day" for an hour a day alone and many hours of together time with her. Don't make it all about you and your happiness. Believe me, you will be much happier when you make her happy instead. That is the work marriage takes.
 
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Everything you said after "but" negated what you said before the "but". Try saying "I can love her for the way she is," and putting that into practice instead of coming up with justifications for why you can't (won't).

I have a hard time garnering any sympathy for your "I can't do intimacy unless she loses weight" mentality. IMO, it's superficial. People grow old and bodies change. Husbands are commanded in the Bible to recognize and love the beauty in their wives for life...not try and make their wives conform to their standards of beauty, which is what I see you doing.

You have spent a lot of time picking her flaws apart and truly, they are not deal-breaking ones by any stretch of the imagination. I think you need to change your attitude/outlook and stop trying to change her.

You are making mistakes in your assumptions. For one, love and intimacy are not one. They are more of a Venn diagram that overlaps. Add in the fact that men are visual in nature, when you subtract the visual stimulation how am I even supposed to be aroused?! Second, I didn't say anything about her losing weight. I am talking about getting fit. Again, two different things. And so what if it's superficial? As you said bodies change. Is it not better to enjoy it while it lasts? A body that's not fit at a young age will be even worse off when older. Everything I am saying here applies to me too, and that's why you will find me in the gym.

Now, I know nothing of Korean culture. She could be not listening because in America, she does not have to and back home she did. Or she could be rebelling against being told that she needs to do this or that or whatever in order to suit what YOU want.

This is something that I haven't thought about. Her mother has always been controlling (apparently the majority of Korean mothers are) and even now she tells her (and me) what to do and when to do it. My wife might be applying her rebelliousness to me as well.

As far as me being self-centered, maybe I am, but how is she not being self-centered herself? Letting yourself go and still expecting the same intimacy as before is selfish and lazy.
 
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As far as me being self-centered, maybe I am, but how is she not being self-centered herself? Letting yourself go and still expecting the same intimacy as before is selfish and lazy.
Maybe she is, but you are blaming her rather than taking ownership of your own self-centredness. Never mind her attitude or what she's doing wrong. Focus on what you are doing wrong and what she is doing right. Always give her the benefit of the doubt and do not blame. All blame does it sound like my sister and I when we were about 10 years old: "She started it!" "No, she started it! It's her fault!" "No, it's HER fault!"

You cannot be responsible for her self-centredness. But you can be responsible for yours. And you as the husband are answerable to God for setting a loving, caring, accepting, safe, and self-sacrificial tone in your home and in your marriage. Once you are able to own your own stuff and let her own her own stuff, and once you are able to set the tone for the relationship that you want her to emulate, that is when you will start having influence again - because she will know that you love her more than you love yourself. That is everything to a woman/wife. You have to earn influence. That is how you do it.

Oh...and criticizing your wife's character is a sure-fire way to make your marital conflicts unsolvable. It is one of Gottman's identified death horsemen to marriage. Couples who try to solve problems address the problem without making critical inferences about their spouse's character - like you did when you implied that she is selfish and lazy. Take control of those thoughts. Take them captive and make them obedient to Christ - that is, to think of the things that are good, right, lovely, pure, praiseworthy, etc about your wife rather than spend time nurturing critical thoughts.
 
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One point I failed to mention, and I don't know why I didn't say this earlier, is that she herself complains about wanting to be fit and look prettier, then turns away when I suggest going to the gym. I can't count how many times she has nagged me to let her get plastic surgery or some other easy way out instead of just pumping iron and wearing makeup (normally I tell her she doesn't even need makeup) like everyone else.
 
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And you as the husband are answerable to God for setting a loving, caring, accepting, safe, and self-sacrificial tone in your home and in your marriage.

That "answerable to God" part would be the downside of being "head of the household," wouldn't it?
 
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