Those who denounce Paul

[Hentenza]

False witness.

The truth is, I obey Messiah's command to reject the teachings of the Pharisees.

Then why are you teaching as the Pharisees did?

 

[BlunderAngel]

Been refuted already.

It's been denied Paul says what he says. It's not been refuted.

 

[Hentenza]

You're right, He didn't.

But He did teach them to observe YHWH's Law.

Jesus gave us two commandments. He did not give the Christian ANY laws.

 

[Hentenza]

It's been denied Paul says what he says. It's not been refuted.

Read back on this thread. It has been refuted.

 

[from scratch]

It's been denied Paul says what he says. It's not been refuted.

Very true statement.

 

[BlunderAngel]

Read back on this thread. It has been refuted.

Then prove it and re-post the refutation.

 

[Hentenza]

Very true statement.

What am I missing?

 

[BlunderAngel]

Then why are you teaching as the Pharisees did?

Explain your statement please.

 

[Frogster]

Acts 23:6: "I am a Pharisee".

example: i could have once stopped practicing being a doctor, but yeah, later on somewhere an argument arises about a medical prceedure, so I might say, "i am a doctor", to put my opinion into the argument, as paul did in 23, he still believed as the pharisees and Jesus in the resurrection, but no way was he a practicing pharisee, just like one can not undo his medical schooling, but he is not a practicing MD, but still has an opinion that agrees with certain doctors. Paul could not undo his schooling.

This is rerally no big deal anyway, I doubt Paul is loosing sleep over this weak shot, to bring him down.

He was just saying, i am of the resurrection, as the pharisees, who agreed with JESUS. Paul spoke several times of the resurrection in Acts, and said he was on trial for it, so it all fits in Acts 23.

 

[Hentenza]

Then prove it and re-post the refutation.

Tell me exactly what you want me to prove. It seems I might not be understanding you correctly.

 

[Hentenza]

Explain your statement please.

Netzarim is pushing his own traditions just as the pharisees were.

 

[Frogster]

Acts 23:6: "I am a Pharisee".

besides, why quote luke or paul, you don't deem them inspired, yet you only want to quote them if it serves you, seems like selective texts only?

 

[Frogster]

Luke was not a disciple. He was an employee, a scribe aka/ secretary, of Paul and his physician. Unless Luke wanted to be out of a job he'd not speak ill of his boss.

would he lie in Acts?

sounds like you give him a weak heart...very insulting.

 

[BlunderAngel]

Tell me exactly what you want me to prove. It seems I might not be understanding you correctly.

You said that the statement that Paul was a Pharisee (and had never renounced that) was refuted long ago.

If so, please post the proof of that refutation here so that people don't have to go back looking for what is claimed to be a fact and not an opinion.

 

[Standing Up]

besides, why quote luke or paul, you don't deem them inspired, yet you only want to quote them if it serves you, seems like selective texts only?

Good point.

Besides, all Paul was trying to do was to split the council over the resurrection issue, which he did. It'd be like someone today who was raised RC and left, but was now on trial and there being RC and EO in the crowd, who says I believe in the primacy of Peter. The crowd starts arguing amongst itself and RC says let him go.

 

[BlunderAngel]

would he lie in Acts?

sounds like you give him a weak heart...very insulting.

You put words in my mouth and then condemn them?

It is not an insult to call the man what he was. He was an employee of Paul.He, like Paul, never knew Jesus in the flesh.

 

[Messy]

How on earth could a Pharisee say what Paul said? I thought Pharisees were only hating Jesus, they didn't accept Him, they were keeping the law, making people keep the law and making their own laws, they were greedy. Paul worked himself and he preached grace and Jesus.

 

[Frogster]

You put words in my mouth and then condemn them?

It is not an insult to call the man what he was. He was an employee of Paul.He, like Paul, never knew Jesus in the flesh.

you said this though, clearly an insult to his integrity.



Unless Luke wanted to be out of a job he'd not speak ill of his boss.

 

[Frogster]

Good point.

Besides, all Paul was trying to do was to split the council over the resurrection issue, which he did. It'd be like someone today who was raised RC and left, but was now on trial and there being RC and EO in the crowd, who says I believe in the primacy of Peter. The crowd starts arguing amongst itself and RC says let him go.

good point.

 

[Frogster]

How on earth could a Pharisee say what Paul said? I thought Pharisees were only hating Jesus, they didn't accept Him, they were keeping the law, making people keep the law and making their own laws, they were greedy. Paul worked himself and he preached grace and Jesus.

good point, his actions showed it.