An atheists world (2)

[createdtoworship]

Wrong, peer review is a must for science.

Why? Because people are fallible. Peer review is how errors and mistakes are caught.

Creationists don't like peer review because there obvious errors are caught there and their articles are never published. And peer review is not the end. Occasionally articles with mistakes or incorrect conclusions do make it through peer review. That is why peer review is not the last step for science. To really be accepted by science an idea must then pass the onslaught of attack of other scientists. If they can find something that peer review missed they will probably find it.

There are two huge things wrong with claims of "irreducible complexity". First off it is only an argument from ignorance. Nothing more. It claims "You can't explain this, therefore Godidit." The problem for IDists is that practically every so called claim of "irreducibly complex" has been reduced and they weren't all that complex after all.

I think peer review is biased, but nevertheless ID has several peer reviews out there....

Peer Reviewed articles by ID proponents....
here are some peer reviewed journals that ID has written

http://www.christianforums.com/t7640889/#post60370132

HOW PEER REVIEW WORKS AND WHY IT IS SCIENCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-gzM8bsbpg

 

[HitchSlap]

The closest thing I can think of that Mr. Hovind would go to prision for by "lying" would be "perjury."

Mr. Hovind did not go to prison for lying.

If you think he did, I'm sure you can show me from one of those 44 indictments (or however many there were) that were mentioned?

Lying in the general sense, as in "not telling the Feds the truth about his assets and deliberately hiding them," chief.

 

[Loudmouth]

I think peer review is biased, but nevertheless ID has several peer reviews out there....

Demonstrate the bias, and show us the papers.

Peer Reviewed articles by ID proponents....
here are some peer reviewed journals that ID has written

http://www.christianforums.com/t7640889/#post60370132

That link is not taking me to a list of papers. Could you try a direct link to them, please?

 

[createdtoworship]

Demonstrate the bias, and show us the papers.



That link is not taking me to a list of papers. Could you try a direct link to them, please?

I have to go to work in a minute, but here is the link again (I tried the other link and it was fine too)


http://www.christianforums.com/t7640889/#post60370132

it's a post where I post links, not links themselves.

 

[Phred]

I think peer review is biased, but nevertheless ID has several peer reviews out there....

Peer Reviewed articles by ID proponents....
here are some peer reviewed journals that ID has written

http://www.christianforums.com/t7640889/#post60370132

Sadly what you claim and what is there are two different things. For instance, the claim is made that these papers are ABOUT the THEORY OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN. They are not. Nowhere is the "theory" of ID even elaborated upon. Can anyone tell me what it is? Bueller? Bueller?

 

[Belk]

There is no God mentioned there.

Scientists are doing science with ID theory.

I spent two years on a ID board to see if there was something there. ID is not and never will be science. It is an attempt to circumvent science while using "science" sounding jargon.

 

[AV1611VET]

I spent two years on a ID board to see if there was something there. ID is not and never will be science. It is an attempt to circumvent science while using "science" sounding jargon.

So what?

I said the same thing, without spending two years on an ID board.

 

[HitchSlap]

So what?

I said the same thing, without spending two years on an ID board.

So, why spend time on a science board?

 

[Belk]

So what?

I said the same thing, without spending two years on an ID board.

Yes, but unlike you I prefer to actually look at a subject prior to declaring what it is or is not. It's that whole evidenced based world view you fight so hard against.

 

[CabVet]

So what?

I said the same thing, without spending two years on an ID board.

This concept may seem foreign to you, but some people actually like to weigh in evidence and learn from both sides in an issue before making a decision.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have to go to work in a minute, but here is the link again (I tried the other link and it was fine too)


http://www.christianforums.com/t7640889/#post60370132

it's a post where I post links, not links themselves.

You can't call any process "peer review".

I can assure you that those are not peer reviewed papers.

ETA: From what I can see they are all connected to lying creationist sites.

The lies that creationists publish would end the career of a real scientist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Peer review from sites like Nature are not biased. If they were creationists could prove it with their rejected papers and the reasons they were rejected.

Have you noticed that none of them charge real peer reviewed professional papers with bias? At least not publicly. Maybe in the little creationist columns that don't matter a hill of beans

 

[AV1611VET]

So, why spend time on a science board?

Why spend two years on an ID board?

 

[RedRover]

Or in this case, tax evasion. By not reporting his income he was lying to the feds.

I can tell that you have never been self employed. The Government requires a HUGE amount of evidence to show that you do not owe them any money. If you travel then you have to keep all of your receipts. Even if they do not audit you the accountant wants to cover for themselves. They are not going to go to jail for you, so you are required to show everything. You can not just look at income you have to look at overhead and all of the expenses. From what I am told most churches pay around $1200. So you have to buy an airplane ticket, pay for a hotel room, maybe car rental and so forth. You have to pay for all of your expenses out of that $1200 and you pay taxes on what you do not have a receipt for. If you do not keep records then the government will expect you to pay taxes on the full amount of $1200.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, but unlike you I prefer to actually look at a subject prior to declaring what it is or is not. It's that whole evidenced based world view you fight so hard against.

Well good for you.

And while you were nosing around on an ID board to strengthen your conviction that ID isn't science, I waited for you here ... with the same conviction.

Only ... and I'm sure you won't understand what I'm about to say.

Only I'm more convinced ID isn't science than you are.

 

[Loudmouth]

I can tell that you have never been self employed. The Government requires a HUGE amount of evidence to show that you do not owe them any money.

In this case, they had the evidence. That's why he was convicted. The knew that if they deposited more than 10,000 at a time then the bank was forced to report it to the IRS. They purposefully kept their deposits below that amount. They also hid income under their childrens' names. They purposefully hid money so they wouldn't have to pay taxes on it. This wasn't a case of bad records.

 

[CabVet]

Why spend two years on an ID board?

He already answered that on his first post about the subject. Here:

I spent two years on a ID board to see if there was something there.

Now he wants to know why you spend your time here. It is more than obvious that nothing that you read here will ever change your mind. You are not trying to change anybody's mind either. So, why?

 

[Loudmouth]

I have to go to work in a minute, but here is the link again (I tried the other link and it was fine too)


http://www.christianforums.com/t7640889/#post60370132

it's a post where I post links, not links themselves.

Why don't you pick one that you think is the strongest and we will see how it holds up.

 

[AV1611VET]

This concept may seem foreign to you, but some people actually like to weigh in evidence and learn from both sides in an issue before making a decision.

And just by coincidence, his decision is the same as mine, right?

Now how do you suppose that happened? lucky guess on my part?

I'm two years ahead of him now, aren't I?

And for the record, how many years did you spend on an ID board, chief?

 

[AV1611VET]

Now he wants to know why you spend your time here.

It's called the Great Commission.