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[createdtoworship]

1. How do you reconcile what science knows that contradicts the bible, while trying to also say science supports the bible?

2. If God knew his perfect message for man would one day be used as means of scientific interpretation, would it be wise to explicitly exclude it?

3. Knowing that science would seek to explain the universe, hey not appear during the periods of mankind where we were doing science?



5. Where is the evidence for anything outside of this universe existing?

all these are scientific questions that the Bible may or may not even care to discuss. Science is only one portion of mankind. If you were God would you make it scientific and exclude all the scientifically ignorant (children and others)?

It contains stories, revelation and prophecy regarding God's will. Not theorems.

>>4. Where is the evidence for the 26 dimensions you speak of?

read a physics textbook, or quantum mechanics.

update: I was watching a video it mentions 11 of the 23-26 but I have heard his suggest there are more than eleven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GucetLk9V60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYhnSzkg_g

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Death isn't an emotion, but fear of death is rather a big driver for survival, wouldn't you say?

"Oh death where is thy sting"<-------- according to that it is an emotion.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Everything that is alive.

Being there when people die.

And when they die what can you describe it? If so can you describe happiness if so, then death is an emotion.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

That is most definitely true and if there were no Christians there would be no Bibles or no Bibles no Christians.
'If' is a very big word.

You seem to believe like the leaders of china.

Must destroy bible, then no Christian. Ummm, there are Christians in China, Iran, Palestine, Egypt, etc.,

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Wrong... No Man = No God.

No Redeemer = No Redemption

 

[toolmanjantzi]

You have got me there man does exist, but does that mean everthing men can imagine also exists?
does Zeus and Allah exist?

No, but energy, electricity, consciousness; also exist.

 

[Phred]

all these are scientific questions that the Bible may or may not even care to discuss. Science is only one portion of mankind. If you were God would you make it scientific and exclude all the scientifically ignorant (children and others)?

It contains stories, revelation and prophecy regarding God's will. Not theorems.

I keep saying this but what's one more? Science is a METHOD. It's just a METHOD for observing and documenting the universe around us. Whether someone is ignorant or not doesn't matter. What we find out is what we find out. Regardless of whether you believe it or not. The Bible is not anything special. It doesn't give us any special insights into our world or our universe. It is simply a bunch of stories written by men in their time. Trying to say that this is somehow special, that it somehow tells us more than the words it's written with well, that's just wishful thinking.

 

[lasthero]

You seem to believe like the leaders of china.

Must destroy bible, then no Christian. Ummm, there are Christians in China, Iran, Palestine, Egypt, etc.,

And there are Bibles in those places. What's your point?

 

[TheBeardedDude]

all these are scientific questions that the Bible may or may not even care to discuss. Science is only one portion of mankind. If you were God would you make it scientific and exclude all the scientifically ignorant (children and others)?

It contains stories, revelation and prophecy regarding God's will. Not theorems.

>>4. Where is the evidence for the 26 dimensions you speak of?

read a physics textbook, or quantum mechanics.

update: I was watching a video it mentions 11 of the 23-26 but I have heard his suggest there are more than eleven.

Think about what you are saying for just a second. The bible is (as you admit) not a science textbook but you are trying to divine science from it or the support of science from it. While at the same time, saying that god would have no need to put science in it because the science-illiterate would not be able to understand it. Had god put science in it, there would be less reason for science-illiterate to even exist. But instead, the book is written in Hebrew and then gets translated across multiple languages and speaks in prose, poem, and parable.

God didn't seem concerned about the illiterate when putting his work in textual form.

If it is because people can teach writing, then surely then can teach the science too.

As for the bit about 26 dimensional space and god's place in it (or outside of it). I have no idea how you are making this connection with the bible in any way shape or form. It is a non sequitor.

 

[bhsmte]

Think about what you are saying for just a second. The bible is (as you admit) not a science textbook but you are trying to divine science from it or the support of science from it. While at the same time, saying that god would have no need to put science in it because the science-illiterate would not be able to understand it. Had god put science in it, there would be less reason for science-illiterate to even exist. But instead, the book is written in Hebrew and then gets translated across multiple languages and speaks in prose, poem, and parable.

God didn't seem concerned about the illiterate when putting his work in textual form.

If it is because people can teach writing, then surely then can teach the science too.

As for the bit about 26 dimensional space and god's place in it (or outside of it). I have no idea how you are making this connection with the bible in any way shape or form. It is a non sequitor.

More scramble mode for conservative christians to try to explain why the bible says what it does, how God is all powerful, omnipotent, knows the future, etc. etc..

There are so many different rationalizations for this, it is nauseating and they are clearly all desperately grasping for straws. Why would an all knowing God make all the mistakes that are in the bible, why would there be so many contradictions, why are the originals texts all lost, etc. etc.. This perfect being, inspired this book, yet we have what we have and nothing more than a myriad of explanations to try and make it fit how God is described.

No wonder christians can't agree on anything, it is because they spend all their time manufacturing explanations for something that doesn't make sense.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

More scramble mode for conservative christians to try to explain why the bible says what it does, how God is all powerful, omnipotent, knows the future, etc. etc..

There are so many different rationalizations for this, it is nauseating and they are clearly all desperately grasping for straws. Why would an all knowing God make all the mistakes that are in the bible, why would there be so many contradictions, why are the originals texts all lost, etc. etc.. This perfect being, inspired this book, yet we have what we have and nothing more than a myriad of explanations to try and make it fit how God is described.

No wonder christians can't agree on anything, it is because they spend all their time manufacturing explanations for something that doesn't make sense.

BibViz Project - Bible Contradictions, Misogyny, Violence, Inaccuracies

I'm a visual learner

 

[Subduction Zone]

BibViz Project - Bible Contradictions, Misogyny, Violence, Inaccuracies

I'm a visual learner

Wow!! What a site.

Bookmarked!!

 

[createdtoworship]

Think about what you are saying for just a second. The bible is (as you admit) not a science textbook but you are trying to divine science from it or the support of science from it. While at the same time, saying that god would have no need to put science in it because the science-illiterate would not be able to understand it. Had god put science in it, there would be less reason for science-illiterate to even exist. But instead, the book is written in Hebrew and then gets translated across multiple languages and speaks in prose, poem, and parable.

God didn't seem concerned about the illiterate when putting his work in textual form.

If it is because people can teach writing, then surely then can teach the science too.

when did I say the Bible didn't have science in it? I said it was not a science textbook. Please rearead the posts.

some of what I say is physics other is Bible verses. You claim that I say the Bible states there are 26 dimensions and as I said before that while the Bible has science it won't talk about textbook things. It doesn't have the periodic table in it, it also doesn't have a multiplication table in it. It's not a science, math or any other textbook other the Biblical. It mentions bits and pieces of physics, and I have mentioned it maybe four or five times, but then you just ask the same question "where does it say there are 26 dimensions in the Bible" I keep replying, that it is not a textbook and doesn't have such things. It has bits and pieces. Make sense now?

As for the bit about 26 dimensional space and god's place in it (or outside of it). I have no idea how you are making this connection with the bible in any way shape or form. It is a non sequitor.

non sequitor, is usually if we are talking "100% Bible" but we are talking a mixture of Bible and physics.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

when did I say the Bible didn't have science in it? I said it was not a science textbook. Please rearead the posts.

some of what I say is physics other is Bible verses. You claim that I say the Bible states there are 26 dimensions and as I said before that while the Bible has science it won't talk about textbook things. It doesn't have the periodic table in it, it also doesn't have a multiplication table in it. It's not a science, math or any other textbook other the Biblical. It mentions bits and pieces of physics, and I have mentioned it maybe four or five times, but then you just ask the same question "where does it say there are 26 dimensions in the Bible" I keep replying, that it is not a textbook and doesn't have such things. It has bits and pieces. Make sense now?



non sequitor, is usually if we are talking "100% Bible" but we are talking a mixture of Bible and physics.

No. Because that book that has "bits and pieces" of "science" in it, also makes the claim that the earth is a flat disc, stands on pillars, that stars are not actually stars but more akin to candles, that there is a firmament full of water above the Earth and above that rests god, that snakes and donkeys can talk, that the dead can rise from the graves, that people can turn into pillars of salt, that there was a global flood (for which there is no evidence), that all mankind is descended from one man and one woman, and then bottlenecked out of one family after the flood, that people could live to be 900+ years, that all animal life was made on a single day, that unicorns existed, that before Eve ate an apple animals like lions were not meat-eaters, that all life was within reach of those living in the areas the bible could reach (they didn't know about penguins or the animals of the new world let alone those in the fossil record), etc.


It seems that if the bible contained "bits and pieces of science" in it, it would mention some things (like evolution, how old the Earth is, fossils, animals on other continents, Earth revolves around the Sun, Earth is a sphere, stars are giant balls of burning gas that are millions of miles away, etc) in it, instead of the aforementioned things.

 

[createdtoworship]

it is nauseating and they are clearly all desperately grasping for straws. Why would an all knowing God make all the mistakes that are in the bible, why would there be so many contradictions, why are the originals texts all lost, etc. etc.. This perfect being, inspired this book, yet we have what we have and nothing more than a myriad of explanations to try and make it fit how God is described.

No wonder christians can't agree on anything, it is because they spend all their time manufacturing explanations for something that doesn't make sense.

ok so back the real questions I have asked of you guys,

why is it that not one evolutionist will debate any one of the high profile creationists out there?

secondly, how is it the nothing exploded? In the Big bang?

What fueled it?

nothing can't fuel nothing correct?

Also explain how macro evolution is possible?

also how is it that That fishy fish life swam until they ran out of water, climbed up on shore, developed lungs, grew legs, became titans of their time, frayed the scales til they became feathers, shrunk, climbed a tree, jumped off a branch, flew around, and became birds. Or for men- the fishy fish swam til they ran out water, climbed up on land, grew lungs and fur this time, scampered around at the feet of giant tweety bird T rexes, til they ditched walking on all fours for two legged transportation, climbed trees, jumped down from trees to build a fire, shed their fur, grew a bigger brain, and now believes we came from monkeys.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

"Oh death where is thy sting"<-------- according to that it is an emotion.

If you can't even distinguish between a state of being and an emotion then you really are floundering in very shallow waters.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

when did I say the Bible didn't have science in it? I said it was not a science textbook. Please rearead the posts.

some of what I say is physics other is Bible verses. You claim that I say the Bible states there are 26 dimensions and as I said before that while the Bible has science it won't talk about textbook things. It doesn't have the periodic table in it, it also doesn't have a multiplication table in it. It's not a science, math or any other textbook other the Biblical. It mentions bits and pieces of physics, and I have mentioned it maybe four or five times, but then you just ask the same question "where does it say there are 26 dimensions in the Bible" I keep replying, that it is not a textbook and doesn't have such things. It has bits and pieces. Make sense now?



non sequitor, is usually if we are talking "100% Bible" but we are talking a mixture of Bible and physics.

You also don't know what a "non sequitor" means. The best you could say is that the comment you refer to is a strawman, but I was asking for clarification as to how the bible has any physics in it (by asking for justification in the bible for your 26 dimension claim)

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I keep saying this but what's one more? Science is a METHOD. It's just a METHOD for observing and documenting the universe around us. Whether someone is ignorant or not doesn't matter. What we find out is what we find out. Regardless of whether you believe it or not. The Bible is not anything special. It doesn't give us any special insights into our world or our universe. It is simply a bunch of stories written by men in their time. Trying to say that this is somehow special, that it somehow tells us more than the words it's written with well, that's just wishful thinking.

Well said.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

ok so back the real questions I have asked of you guys,

why is it that not one evolutionist will debate any one of the high profile creationists out there?

secondly, how is it the nothing exploded? In the Big bang?

What fueled it?

nothing can't fuel nothing correct?

Also explain how macro evolution is possible?

also how is it that That fishy fish life swam until they ran out of water, climbed up on shore, developed lungs, grew legs, became titans of their time, frayed the scales til they became feathers, shrunk, climbed a tree, jumped off a branch, flew around, and became birds. Or for men- the fishy fish swam til they ran out water, climbed up on land, grew lungs and fur this time, scampered around at the feet of giant tweety bird T rexes, til they ditched walking on all fours for two legged transportation, climbed trees, jumped down from trees to build a fire, shed their fur, grew a bigger brain, and now believes we came from monkeys.

The offer has been extended for those debates to happen, Richard Dawkins for instance has extended the offer out there before.

The "Big Bang" does not mean an explosion. It means a rapid expansion of the universe. See, Lawrence Krauss for answers on that if you want to know.

There is no fuel, as it isn't an explosion.

Macro evolution is just evolution. No difference. If you mean speciation, then you have: Natural Selection, sexual selection, geographic separation, spatial separation, climate change, mass extinction, etc

"also how is it that That fishy fish life swam until they ran out of water, climbed up on shore, developed lungs, grew legs, became titans of their time, frayed the scales til they became feathers, shrunk, climbed a tree, jumped off a branch, flew around, and became birds. Or for men- the fishy fish swam til they ran out water, climbed up on land, grew lungs and fur this time, scampered around at the feet of giant tweety bird T rexes, til they ditched walking on all fours for two legged transportation, climbed trees, jumped down from trees to build a fire, shed their fur, grew a bigger brain, and now believes we came from monkeys."

This is a strawman that displays an ignorance of what evolution is. Evolutionary change does not happen in a single generation or to a single individual.

 

[RedRover]

why would there be so many contradictions

There are no contradictions in the Bible. But if you mean why do people contradict each other it is because as Paul says we have not been perfected yet: "For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known." 1 coe 13 12

No wonder christians can't agree on anything, it is because they spend all their time manufacturing explanations for something that doesn't make sense.

The Bible is not science it is religion. You need the Holy Spirit of God to be your Teacher to guide and lead you into all truth. You already know your not going to get any help from man. People contradict themselves so you can not trust in people. You have to put your faith in and trust in God.

I so look forward to attending the university when I get to Heaven. The very "worst" of schools in Heaven will be far, far, far better then the very best of schools here on Earth. Because everything we learn will be the truth. There will be no lies or errors mixed in with the truth. Also I am sure the campus of the University in Heaven will be far far better then the campus of any school here on Earth.