An atheists world

[Cheeky Monkey]

that would not be correct. God in part uses foreknowledge of our ahead actions to choose what is His perfect will, the other part His sovereignty. I am not sure what the ration of sovereignty to free will is, you would have to go to General theology threads for that. But I have been told it is like watching a parade from a helecopter. You know what float will appear next before the one on the ground. Our life is a time line, and God is outside of teh time line pointing at different events as they come in time and space. It's foreknowledge of the future. We still have a choice, we simply choose what is best and that basically is God's perfect will. God will not contradict Himself. He only wants Good for His children.

If god has perfect foreknowledge as implied by the quality of omniscience then there is only one course for all of the future, whether we are are aware of it or not. Every supposed choice already has the outcome determined.

 

[createdtoworship]

Where in the bible is that claim made about god having no mass (I remember something about "in his own image") and god not existing in time? (he would have to exist in space-time in order to interact with our space-time because he would have to exist in that space-time.

well I believe we will inhabit different dimensions when we are glorified. 26 dimensions I believe exist currently. WE only inhabit four. Height, width, length and time. The fifth or more dimensions are unknown to us. I believe if you are above teh fifth dimension you are over and not subject to any of the previous dimensions. I shouldn't say that, that is wrong. It's the oposite. rather someone living in a two dimensional universe, somone in a three dimensional universe can navigate more dimensions and interact at any point on a two dimensional universe.

God living in greater than four dimensions, can navigate time at any point in the past or in the future.

thats my view. Here is a film about 2 and 3 dimensional properties.

Dr Quantum - Flatland - YouTube

 

[Skaloop]

AV.

Hey now. While I wholeheartedly disagree with AV's stance on many things, that's uncalled for, even in jest.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

well I believe we will inhabit different dimensions when we are glorified. 26 dimensions I believe exist currently. WE only inhabit four. Height, width, length and time. The fifth or more dimensions are unknown to us. I believe if you are above teh fifth dimension you are over and not subject to any of the previous dimensions. I shouldn't say that, that is wrong. It's the oposite. rather someone living in a two dimensional universe, somone in a three dimensional universe can navigate more dimensions and interact at any point on a two dimensional universe.

God living in greater than four dimensions, can navigate time at any point in the past or in the future.

thats my view. Here is a film about 2 and 3 dimensional properties.

Dr Quantum - Flatland - YouTube

1stly, I have no idea where you are getting the idea about 26 dimension spacetime.

2ndly, if God created everything (ignoring the nonanswer to his own creation) then how God could not have created sin?

 

[createdtoworship]

Where in the bible is that claim made about god having no mass (I remember something about "in his own image") and god not existing in time? (he would have to exist in space-time in order to interact with our space-time because he would have to exist in that space-time.

I shouldn't say He has no mass, it is just that mass (the first three dimensions) is only part of what He is. He is multidimensional and can be outside of time and space navigating in dimensions 5-26 without us who live in dimensions 1-4 seeing Him at all. Check the video in the other post. This is how I believe miracles happened in teh Bible. Beings from other dimensions (angels) penetrated our universe (mass and time= 3 + 1=5) and we did not know how they did it, just like a three dimensional being can navigate flat land (two dimensions). (see video in last post)

 

[TheBeardedDude]

I shouldn't say He has no mass, it is just that mass (the first three dimensions) is only part of what He is. He is multidimensional and can be outside of time and space navigating in dimensions 5-26 without us who live in dimensions 1-4 seeing Him at all. Check the video in the other post. This is how I believe miracles happened in teh Bible. Beings from other dimensions (angels) penetrated our universe (mass and time= 3 + 1=5) and we did not know how they did it, just like a three dimensional being can navigate flat land (two dimensions). (see video in last post)

I realize you may believe this, but where is this supported in God's perfect message to mankind via book?

 

[bhsmte]

1stly, I have no idea where you are getting the idea about 26 dimension spacetime.

2ndly, if God created everything (ignoring the nonanswer to his own creation) then how God could not have created sin?

You gotta love the selective rationalization going on here trying to desperately fit the round peg in the square hole. This is a psychologists dream.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

You gotta love the selective rationalization going on here trying to desperately fit the round peg in the square hole. This is a psychologists dream.

I just want to know when God revealed this.

And lo god did say unto his creations "write this down for later, I exist in 26 dimension spacetime and have no mass and lo my dwelling need not a creator nor myself a creator because the law of entropy really means...." and lo the author did fall asleep as he did not know what God was on about.
Quantumus 23:26

 

[TheBeardedDude]

I guess these are questions that would rather not be asked....

 

[AV1611VET]

Has god ever made a mistake?

AV.

I gotta bring this one back!

From my buddy, Split Rock -- enjoy!

Two creationists take a Commercial flight:

AV1611VET: How do we know that the flight crew knows how to fly this plane?

Flight Attendant: They are trained experts and have been doing this for many years.

Dad: All because they are so-called experts doesn’t mean they can ignore God’s Word.

Flight Attendant: What does God’s Word have to do with flying an airplane?

AV1611VET: I use my Boolean Standards to show that flying is against The Inerrant Word of God and The Documentation.

Flight Attendant: Are you talking about The Bible? Where does The Bible say that?

AV1611VET: “Thinking themselves to be wise they became fools.”

Flight Attendant: What does that have to do with flying?

AV1611VET: Homo sapiens means “Wise Man,” doesn’t it? Since the flight crew are Wise Men they are really fools and God will show them they are fools by crashing the plane.

Flight Attendant: What???

Dad: How do these Ivory Tower so-called experts know they can fly this plane between here and the destination? What if the atmosphere between here and the destination is in a different state?

Flight Attendant: Different State?? What do you mean??

Dad: A different state…. Like it was before “The Split.”

Flight Attendant: What “Split?”

Dad: During the time of Peleg. To think differently, is anti-Bible hogwash and a fantasy!

Flight Attendant: What are you talking about?

Dad: You cannot prove that the space-time state between here and there is not different can you?

Flight Attendant: No, but we have never had any problem flying this route before..

Dad: Ha! You just ASSUME there is no difference now, because you assume the past is the key to the present. That is an Anti-God Lie, and thinking only within the box.. I refuse to accept it!!!

Flight Attendant Please, both of you take your seats!

AV1611VET: You just can’t wait to ridicule me, even though I accept 95% of your “science!”

Dad: I just discovered that human flight is impossible! Amazing!!

Flight Attendant: Please, take your seats so we can take off! I promise it is safe!

AV1611VET: Oh yeah.. just like Thalidomide was a Wonder Drug… before it was Plutoed!

Flight Attendant: Thalidomide?

AV1611VET: Sure, Thaldomide proves that your “science” changes with the flavor of the week!

Dad: Prove with your so called science that the state between here and there is the same! You can’t!!!! Human flight is an anti-Bible lie! Amazing!

Flight Attendant: Get off this plane!!!

 

[biggles53]

I shouldn't say He has no mass, it is just that mass (the first three dimensions) is only part of what He is.

What....? Mass is a dimensionless quantity...!

He is multidimensional and can be outside of time and space navigating in dimensions 5-26 without us who live in dimensions 1-4 seeing Him at all. Check the video in the other post.

What nonsense....! The work done by Riemann et al on multiple dimensions in no way relates to your supposed god's ability to see the future...! You are at that desperate stage of needing to throw any mumbo-jumbo that you can at the computer screen, in order to make the nasty logic go away....

This is how I believe miracles happened in teh Bible. Beings from other dimensions (angels) penetrated our universe (mass and time= 3 + 1=5) and we did not know how they did it, just like a three dimensional being can navigate flat land (two dimensions). (see video in last post)

More gobbledygook ...... Just answer this question....

If your god created everything in existence, including imperfect humans who would be tempted to do bad things, and if your god KNEW that they would do those bad things before they even thought of committing them, then what justice, compassion or love is demonstrated by that god when it JUDGES those same humans for committing those bad things.....!?

 

[AV1611VET]

Hey now. While I wholeheartedly disagree with AV's stance on many things, that's uncalled for, even in jest.

I like it!

But thanks, anyway!

 

[createdtoworship]

What....? Mass is a dimensionless quantity...!

gravitational mass

What nonsense....! The work done by Riemann et al on multiple dimensions in no way relates to your supposed god's ability to see the future...! You are at that desperate stage of needing to throw any mumbo-jumbo that you can at the computer screen, in order to make the nasty logic go away....

thats fine, I am just telling you what I believe you don't have to believe it.

Another thing, only 1 part in 100,000 is solid matter. So you can walk through walls and appear on the other side if your atoms are aligned. The rest is electrical simulation. See chuck misslers studies on "beyond time and space" on you tube. I listened to him for hundreds of hours on cassette tapes back in the day.

More gobbledygook ...... Just answer this question....

If your god created everything in existence, including imperfect humans who would be tempted to do bad things, and if your god KNEW that they would do those bad things before they even thought of committing them, then what justice, compassion or love is demonstrated by that god when it JUDGES those same humans for committing those bad things.....!?

I don't understand your question. What do you mean "what justice?"

if they are bad things they are judged. period.

Just because God is aware of out sins ahead of time, doesn't mean He is responsible because He simply allowed them to happen. It was our choice our free will, we didn't have to eat the apple. But we did.

(we collectively, as God sees it, we would have all done the same thing haven given the chance at the garden of eden)

 

[createdtoworship]

I realize you may believe this, but where is this supported in God's perfect message to mankind via book?

I will have to think. It's been awhile since I talked about this.....

see chuck misslers "beyond time and space"

I am hacking the whole idea to bits anyways.

 

[GenetoJean]

I will have to think. It's been awhile since I talked about this.....

see chuck misslers "beyond time and space"

I am hacking the whole idea to bits anyways.

I think you are doing a good job trying to explain it. Just because I dont agree with you, doesnt mean I cant think you are doing a good job. You are at least helping me understand where yalls beliefs come from.

 

[createdtoworship]

I just want to know when God revealed this.

And lo god did say unto his creations "write this down for later, I exist in 26 dimension spacetime and have no mass and lo my dwelling need not a creator nor myself a creator because the law of entropy really means...." and lo the author did fall asleep as he did not know what God was on about.
Quantumus 23:26

there is a whole lot of illustrations chuck missler gives for His views. I believe most of it, not all of it. Alien invasion is some of the stuff I don't adhere to. But check it out when you get time. "beyond time and space" chuck missler.

 

[Split Rock]

I gotta bring this one back!

From my buddy, Split Rock -- enjoy!

Definately one of my best O.P.s.

 

[EternalDragon]

So god, a being capable of all things including the ability to manifest in and out of the material world at any and all times, chose only one moment in the entire history of mankind to appear, when he could have appeared across all times in all places? What was so special about them, then?

Wouldn't that make multiple Gods? Unless they were all Jesus which would require a bunch of virgins like Mary because he needed to be sinless which would result in multiple different looking Jesus' and have created many Gods.

It would also have created the need for every one of them to die on a cross.

Do you see the logical and logistic fallacies in that idea? You should probably try not to be more wise than God.

 

[createdtoworship]

So god, a being capable of all things including the ability to manifest in and out of the material world at any and all times, chose only one moment in the entire history of mankind to appear, when he could have appeared across all times in all places? What was so special about them, then?

1 Timothy 3:16
New King James Version (NKJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God[a] was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.




Angels did not See God before He was manifest, what does that tell you?

 

[biggles53]

I don't understand your question. What do you mean "what justice?"

if they are bad things they are judged. period.

Just because God is aware of out sins ahead of time, doesn't mean He is responsible because He simply allowed them to happen. It was our choice our free will, we didn't have to eat the apple. But we did.

(we collectively, as God sees it, we would have all done the same thing haven given the chance at the garden of eden)

Ok, I don't know if you're deliberately playing dumb...but let's go with baby steps...

You lot would claim that your god made everything in our existence....yes?

You would also claim that your god designed everything in that creation...yes?

Ok, so given that humans can be tempted into doing the wrong thing (sin), that must be part of our design....yes? If your god had designed us to resist all temptation, we would never do wrong....yes?

Now, you also tell us that your god is omniscient...that it can 'see all and know all'.....yes? This means that it knows every outcome of every choice and decision we will ever make, ahead of us doing it....yes?

Finally, you also tell us that this god is into judgement...that it will decide upon our fate after death, depending upon the actions we have taken during our lives....yes?

So, given all that, tell me how in Hades your god could be described as kind and loving and just, as you would also have us believe...!!?