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He made free will. He is omnipotent so knew free will would cause sin. Therefore He created sin.
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Freewill does not cause sin.
If it did, Lucifer would not have had to do anything but wait.
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your argument is false. & the conclusion is incorrect. Just because He is aware of sin, does not make Him the creator of sin. That is guilt by association (a fallacy.)
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good post. Sin was not created by God, sin is an absense of good, not a positive character trait. God only possess the positive.
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So, you seem to be implying that if it's good, god made but if it's bad, he didn't. Despite having created all things? And all things henceforth originating from it, would also be his creation, no?
He would have foreknowledge of these events and subsequent creations, no?
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that would not be correct. God in part uses foreknowledge of our ahead actions to choose what is His perfect will, the other part His sovereignty. I am not sure what the ration of sovereignty to free will is, you would have to go to General theology threads for that. But I have been told it is like watching a parade from a helecopter. You know what float will appear next before the one on the ground. Our life is a time line, and God is outside of teh time line pointing at different events as they come in time and space. It's foreknowledge of the future. We still have a choice, we simply choose what is best and that basically is God's perfect will. God will not contradict Himself. He only wants Good for His children.
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If you create something with forknowledge that it is going to cause something, then you are creating the thing that is caused.
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Good observeation, I agree. It is the second person of the Trinity that manifested in space and time. You are correct. But Christ that created everything did so before he was manifest.
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So god, a being capable of all things including the ability to manifest in and out of the material world at any and all times, chose only one moment in the entire history of mankind to appear, when he could have appeared across all times in all places? What was so special about them, then?
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