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You're overlooking freewill.

What rubbish....!

If your god is what you say it it (omni this and omni that), then it built a 'creation' with inbuilt flaws and faults; moreover, it KNEW that these imperfections were there...

Worse still, it KNEW exactly what each and everyone of us was going to do in our existence here.....you know, 'every hair on your head', 'every sparrow that falls'...?

So, to cap it off, it then judges each of us for the faults that it had inbuilt and that it knew would result in 'bad' behaviour.....!

You worship a monster.....how fortunate that it is only imaginary.....
 
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I don't understand the point of this thread, it's a very difficult question to ask and answer.

Everything that has ever happened in the universe was always going to happen, the moment the first 'thing' or 'things' occurred or became dynamic, everything was going to play out the way it did. The evidence for this statement lies in the fact that it did.
This is the theory of universal causation. Because every act has a cause, and ever act is the cause of a further act, everything that has ever happened was going to happen from the start.
And look at that, it did.

However, human minds aren't capable of comprehending infinity. Though mathematics, a product of human mind is capable of doing so quite nicely. So when we start talking about causes, we, as humans, find it very difficult to comprehend the possibility that there might not have been a first cause.

It seems unlikely, but that's exactly the point. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't possible.. Obviously.

So we could live in a universe of infinite temporal and spacial quantity. The thing is, this is infinitely more likely than a theory based on some sort of First Cause.
(Please note, nobody would think the Big Bang is the FIRST cause, only someone arguing from ignorance would take that view)

So to ask us, ie Atheists, what we'd have done differently to God had we made the world is a strange one. Since 1) it's infinitely more likely that God 'planted the seed but didn't fashion the leaf' (sort of thing) as opposed to many Christians personal God, and 2) If we want to be sensible about it, God is an ancient fabrication first as a result of a hypersensitive instinct to 'see faces where there aren't faces', which happens to us all the time (just look at a colon next to a close-bracket) or a cat chasing around the light of a laser pen, secondly used to explain things we couldn't explain, thirdly to benefit a ruling class, 'when the first con artist met the first fool', and four because we are comfortable with answers that have satisfied us in the past and are reluctant to put ourselves in to positions of compromise (it's an evolutionary advantageous quality to have to not want to endanger what already survives).
 
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If your god is what you say it it (omni this and omni that), then it built a 'creation' with inbuilt flaws and faults;
God did not program Murphy's Law into His creation.
 
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biggles53 said:
1. There is no more evidence that it exists than for any of the 3000 other gods that men have invented. Ditto for Santa, fairies, rabbits with chocolate eggs and leprechauns.

2. We should be glad that such a cruel, unethical creature is just a figment of the imagination.

3. Your version of Pascal's Wager poses no threat to me.....

It wasn't a threat. It was fact.
 
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Mr Strawberry said:
Ignoring the fact that this empty threat is always the last resort of a creationist with no argument left, it is interesting how much creationists seem to enjoy the prospect of non-believers getting a comeuppance.

Once again as stated before this isn't a threat. It is a fact.
 
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A omnipresent, omnipotent God whose creation is always said to be a world with mistakes. Yet, Christians know God knows the beginning and the end, that God has purpose for everything. I would like to hear how someone (atheist, or anyone), how they would do it differently; and let both science and theology pick apart at the suggestions based on facts today.

Example:

Joe the atheist: I would make the earth without grass; grass was a bad idea.

Joanne the atheist or creationist: What would the cows eat?

Joe the atheist: people

Berry: People?; so the people that remain don't have the strength to slaughter these beasts?

And so on...............

I will start with:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3 KJV)

I would make it so radiation isn't harmful to humans.
 
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So, one more time... why did God drop his rebel trash on us to tempt us again???

It's the free will thing again but I don't think you want to hear the direct answer because you would just apply poor logic to it, try to guess the wisdom of an infinitely more wise being than yourself, and make fun of the answer.

I would suggest reading the New Testament, mainly the parables of Jesus in say Matthew, Mark and Luke.
 
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Who tempted Satan to go against God?
He was lead astray by his own pride.

" You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." Isa 14

"When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death." James
 
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He was lead astray by his own pride.

" You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." Isa 14
Those were the words of a man long ago whose limits were 'the tops of the clouds' and not Satan.

We are taught that the Bible was written by men under the guidance of God, it never occurs to us that men might write things of there own.
 
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So, there were elements of its creation over which your god had no control.....?

That's interesting....

You lost me on that one, chief.

What are you talking about specifically?
 
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You lost me on that one, chief.

What are you talking about specifically?

The programming of faults into your so called god's creation....was your god responsible for it or not...?
 
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The programming of faults into your so called god's creation....was your god responsible for it or not...?
For the second time:

God did not program Murphy's Law into His creation.

(That means the answer to your question is NO.)
 
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For the second time:

God did not program Murphy's Law into His creation.

(That means the answer to your question is NO.)

So...being all-powerful, it either designed us complete with our faults, or it designed us fault free. Now, if the latter, our faults must have been influenced by someone/thing else. If this is the case, either your fantasy god was aware of this outside influence, or it was not. If it was aware, then it still bears responsibility for us being the way we are, as it would have had the power to overpower that extraneous influence. If it wasn't aware, then it isn't all powerful...

So, take your pick......your god of choice is either a cruel monster or an incompetent .......which is it....?
 
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