Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

[Pteriax]

And that is a bad thing?

Only if we are supposed to obey forum rules.

Such as demon hunting...?

Who's demon hunting?

 

[Pteriax]

What, the part about "Arminians" helping out in their salvation, and that being "unbiblical?" Yes, I saw that. However, your answer included nothing about why you claim not to lump in Orthodox and Catholic Christians into the anachronistic "Arminian" category.

Ah, I didn't. You assumed they were the only denominations who claim to apostolic. I was referring to some of several apostolic protestant denominations (and possibly cults like Mormonism). Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Pteriax]

No, she provided essay's six times not a simple yes or no. On other threads she denied this and even the Trinity as Christian understand it, I would likr to know where she stands

Lies will get you nowhere. I read all her replies, apparently better than you did. I believe you are trying to pick a fight. Go read them again, thoroughly this time. And no more libel.

 

[Metal Minister]

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[Pteriax]

Tell me, Rick, when did Esau THE INDIVIDUAL "serve" Jacob THE INDIVIDUAL?

Well, Esau made himself a servant to Jacob when he traded his birthright for some lentil stew for one.

Biblical Election: Do Sin Loving Evil Doers Choose a Holy God or Does a Holy God Choose Sinners? - YouTube

Here is a video to reply to your videos on the subject of election. It is only fair that you watch it, yes?

 

[Pteriax]

Is it just me, or has MamaZ gotten more than enough crud in this thread? I'm not saying I've never disagreed with her, but come on.

 

[Jig]

Mine would be that jesus is micheal the archangel and that hell doesnt exist.

Name one that you have thought was biblical but found out it was heretical?

Transubstantiation. I used to be a Catholic. I still remember my First Communion - I was quite young. I gagged on the wine.

 

[Pteriax]

Transubstantiation. I used to be a Catholic. I still remember my First Communion - I was quite young. I gagged on the wine.

Good thing it wasn't the literal blood of Christ! That must be sacrilegious! I actually used to be unsure about that one until I read the Bible for myself.

 

[Tzaousios]

Good thing it wasn't the literal blood of Christ! That must be sacrilegious! I actually used to be unsure about that one until I read the Bible for myself.

The part where Jesus said that "this is not my body and blood, but a memorial of something nice I did for my disciples when I gave them grape juice and some stale wafers"?

 

[Jig]

Good thing it wasn't the literal blood of Christ! That must be sacrilegious! I actually used to be unsure about that one until I read the Bible for myself.

I used to wonder why the alter boy held a round plate under the wafers when the priest passed out the Eucharist. I later found out that it was just in case one of the wafers was to accidentally fall. I'm assuming it is taboo (or borderline sacrilegious) for the bread to touch to ground - even by accident.

Here is a quote from the Remptionis Sacramentum:
“The Communion-plate for the Communion of the faithful should be retained, so as to avoid the danger of the sacred host or some fragment of it falling.”

 

[yogosans14]

Good thing it wasn't the literal blood of Christ! That must be sacrilegious! I actually used to be unsure about that one until I read the Bible for myself.

I think hes present, still unsure. The Lutheran view or Methodist view is more of my way of thinking about holy communion but its a mystery.

 

[Jig]

The part where Jesus said that "this is not my body and blood, but a memorial of something nice I did for my disciples when I gave them grape juice and some stale wafers"?

I was once showing someone a picture of my son. I told them, "This is my son." They understood that the picture itself wasn't my actual son, but an image that merely represented his likeness. In the same way when Jesus said, "This is my body", He was displaying to the apostles a perfect image of His body - a piece of broken matzah (specifically the afikomen). Those at the Passover meal would have clearly seen the symbolism. The same can be said about the cup of wine Jesus used. It was the Cup of Redemption and carried extreme symbolic significance.

 

[Pteriax]

The part where Jesus said that "this is not my body and blood, but a memorial of something nice I did for my disciples when I gave them grape juice and some stale wafers"?

Yep. I don't much care for your paraphrase, but He does say that in essence.

I used to wonder why the alter boy held a round plate under the wafers when the priest passed out the Eucharist. I later found out that it was just in case one of the wafers was to accidentally fall. I'm assuming it is taboo (or borderline sacrilegious) for the bread to touch to ground - even by accident.

Here is a quote from the Remptionis Sacramentum:
“The Communion-plate for the Communion of the faithful should be retained, so as to avoid the danger of the sacred host or some fragment of it falling.”

That... is crazy. I didn't know they went that far, although I knew that some bow to the bread. Second commandment anyone?

I think hes present, still unsure. The Lutheran view or Methodist view is more of my way of thinking about holy communion but its a mystery.

I was raised Methodist, that is why I was unsure. I do not care for the Methodist treatment of scripture at all. They do not take it seriously enough, IMO. Anyways, I'm Reformed Baptist now thank God.

 

[Tzaousios]

The same can be said about the cup of wine Jesus used. It was the Cup of Redemption and carried extreme symbolic significance.

Yep. I don't much care for your paraphrase, but He does say that in essence.

I don't know, it sounds like the old literalism-allegory/symbolism when it is convenient methodological switcheroo.

 

[Jig]

I don't know, it sounds like the old literalism-allegory/symbolism when it is convenient methodological switcheroo.

Nope, look into the ritual events of a Passover meal. They all carry heavy symbolic meaning. The meal was meant to tell a story through it's food.

Here is an academic source:

The cup (Matt. 26:27–28).
Continuing the symbolism, Jesus takes a cup, gives thanks, and asks all of them to join in drinking from it. Of the four cups of wine consumed at a Passover celebration (the cup of benediction, the cup just before the meal, the third cup [of blessing] after the meal, and the cup following the singing of the Hallel), this is most likely the third cup, which Jesus takes and says, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”

This third cup was often called the cup of redemption, corresponding to God’s third promise in Exodus 6:6, “I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgment.” The death of the Passover lamb and the smearing of its blood opened the way for the redemption of God’s people from Egypt, but the shedding of Jesus’ blood, which this cup foreshadows, opens the way for the redemption of all humanity to enter into a new covenant relationship with God. With this statement Jesus indicates that he is fulfilling the new covenant promised to the people of Israel (see esp. Jer. 31:31, 34; Ezek. 36:26–27).


Michael J. Wilkins, Matthew, The NIV Application Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 2004), 837.

 

[Knee V]

We take care not to let the American Flag fall to the ground, and that's just a colorful piece of cloth. I don't see the big deal in going out of our way to keep communion off the floor, something given to us by Christ Himself, regardless of our view of it.

As for the Orthodox, our reason for not wanting to drop it is two-fold: on the one hand, we revere the body and blood of Christ and want to treat it as such. Additionally we believe that the purpose of the Eucharist is that it be consumed, and so if it falls to the floor we're going to eat it off the floor (and for us it's difficult to simply pick it back up, as we put the body and blood into a single chalice after everything has been broken and consecrated. So if we drop some of it, picking it up is not as simple as picking up a thin wafer).

Also, like the Catholics and some other groups, we believe that the Eucharist is the "marriage supper of the Lamb". We see Revelation as essentially a Liturgy. And since we believe that the entire Christian life, especially the Divine Liturgy, is inherently eschatological, there is really no difference between saying that Revelation is both eschatological AND a liturgy.

 

[Jig]

We take care not to let the American Flag fall to the ground, and that's just a colorful piece of cloth. I don't see the big deal in going out of our way to keep communion off the floor, something given to us by Christ Himself, regardless of our view of it.

I recently had to throw away a worn out flag. It's the symbolism I respect, not the material. When it comes to communion, you attach a high value to the material.

 

[Knee V]

I recently had to throw away a worn out flag. It's the symbolism I respect, not the material. When it comes to communion, you attach a high value to the material.

I understand that since you don't believe that it is the body and blood of Christ you will not see it our way when it comes to handling it. However, I'm sure you understand that we believe that it is much more than common material.

 

[Cappadocious]

I was once showing someone a picture of my son. I told them, "This is my son." They understood that the picture itself wasn't my actual son, but an image that merely represented his likeness.

So then you would have no problem with icon veneration, right?

 

[nephilimiyr]

I understand that since you don't believe that it is the body and blood of Christ you will not see it our way when it comes to handling it. However, I'm sure you understand that we believe that it is much more than common material.

And I'm sure that you understand that we believe that it is the truth inside the material, and not the material itself, that makes it uncommon? We'd rather hold true to the truth rather than the material.