Dear George Zimmerman

[Avniel]

Are you inferring that he lied about it?

I don't think he is saying he lied I just think he's saying that there is no way to know what really happened.

 

[bhsmte]

It is a very hard concept to explain and I don't pretend that the law is logic or just. The reality is aggression based on a perceived threat can be proven if that threat is a reality. If that threat isn't a reality then you need to prove that the perceived threat was reasonable. Once the perceived threat is found to be a real threat there is no way to disprove it not being reasonable.

Whatever. The law doesn't allow attacking someone on a "gut feeling". To justify any attack, you must show a "real threat", not a gut feeling of one.

 

[MachZer0]

Then move on. The trial isn't over the stand your ground law and the systemic racism of Florida's justice system is very much on trial still.

Justice was served the night that Zimmerman successfully defended himself. Justice prevailed at the trial . Florida's laws proved to be just

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think he is saying he lied I just think he's saying that there is no way to know what really happened.

If there is no way of knowing for sure what happened what do you do? You take the available evidence, eye witness testimony and you use that to base a judgment instead of speculating.

 

[Avniel]

Whatever. The law doesn't allow attacking someone on a "gut feeling". To justify any attack, you must show a "real threat", not a gut feeling of one.

If I have a gun in my book bag and I run from the police and they decide to shot me for whatever reason and after I die the search me and find a gun on my person does that officer go to jail?

 

[bhsmte]

If I have a gun in my book bag and I run from the police and they decide to shot me for whatever reason and after I die the search me and find a gun on my person does that officer go to jail?

Unless they can prove the person with the gun in the bag threatened the officer with it, you damn right the officer is done.

 

[MachZer0]

I agree with that I think it's funny that people stand behind the ladies conviction, the one that got 20 years, but are upset that Zimmerman was charged.

I think in general the legal system in America is racist and has been for years particularly in the south where it seems that there are two sets of laws.

The woman in question was unable to demonstrate a reasonable fear of life and limb. Moreover, she retreated, acquired a gun. Then returned and fired. That has no similarity to Zimmerman's case

 

[Avniel]

Unless they can prove the person with the gun in the bag threatened the officer with it, you damn right the officer is done.

No the officer will not be done and if the officer is arrested there is no way to prove that the perceived threat was not reasonable because the assumption was correct.

 

[MachZer0]

It does when people here say stuff without having any evidence. I don't mind if they believe that Martin was 'repeatedly' bashing Zimmerman's head, but when they say it as if it is the 'truth' then I call them out.

The people saying things without evidence are the ones who say things like Zimmerman may have gashed his head when he slipped and fell while grabbing for Martin

 

[Avniel]

The woman in question was unable to demonstrate a reasonable fear of life and limb. Moreover, she retreated, acquired a gun. Then returned and fired. That has no similarity to Zimmerman's case

Honestly I can't take you serious once you say a child deserved to die I am sorry but I can't even respond to you.


Be blessed.

 

[MachZer0]

The fact is her husband had a history of abusing her. He threatened her life and she let off a warning shot and she get's 20 years. America has no sort of racism it is a beautiful country built on hard working americans who love all people

We call that description of events an oversimplification

 

[bhsmte]

No the officer will not be done and if the officer is arrested there is no way to prove that the perceived threat was not reasonable because the assumption was correct.

Your wrong.

Any shooting is analyzed as to whether it was justified. To be justified, there has to be a real threat present, that allows for use of deadly force. Finding a gun in a book bag of someone you state was shot in the back, is not going to cut it.

 

[MachZer0]

The exact problem when people paint Zimmerman to be some kind of hero. He killed a kid you don't know what happened and I don't know what happened no one does. The fact is we do not know we believe what we believe.

We do know what happened. A thug wannabe teenager started a fight with the wrong person and justice came to him suddenly

 

[Bedford]

Are you inferring that he lied about it?

A better question would be, "Do you trust Zimmerman"? My answer is no. I believe he twisted the truth of that night to put him in a better light.

The facts of the case do not support his accusation that his head was 'repeatedly' driven into the concrete.

 

[Avniel]

Your wrong.

Any shooting is analyzed as to whether it was justified. To be justified, there has to be a real threat present, that allows for use of deadly force. Finding a gun in a book bag of someone you state was shot in the back, is not going to cut it.

It shouldn't but it does, I can see where you are coming from with that i really understand what you are saying. However when you say threat present what do you mean? Isn't a gun a real threat?

 

[MachZer0]

No, that is not how it works. He was living there and she was not. She had no duty to retreat, but she DID retreat to safety. But then she came back.

In any case, even in your castle, you don't discharge a weapon in the direction of children. That is what got her in trouble.

What?

I had it in the last thread, with sources.

In a sense, the case does have similarities to Zimmerman's. The woman compares more to Martin than Zimmerman. Like her, Martin did not have a duty to retreat? But he did. And like her, he returned to assault a victim.

 

[bhsmte]

A better question would be, "Do you trust Zimmerman"? My answer is no. I believe he twisted the truth of that night to put him in a better light.

The facts of the case do not support his accusation that his head was 'repeatedly' driven into the concrete.

Lets say he exaggerated the amount of times his head was hit against the cement and I will grant you he may have and even likely did. It still does not remove whether he had a reasonable fear for severe bodily harm (which by the way requires no injuries). If his head was only hit several times and he was being punched by someone on top of him (ballistics backed up his story of Martin on top and so did eye witness accounts) it is logical to conclude, he was in reasonable fear for great bodily harm. Each time you have a head blow (even a moderate one) you are dazed, because your brain bangs up against the wall of the cranium and this can create quite a fear in someone, when they are on the bottom and someone else is in complete control on top of them. This was also backed up by the expert medical examiner testimony.

 

[jgarden]

Zimmerman had a history of being a "loose canon" prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, and one can only assume that his name will continue to resurface in the news in the future.

Former co-workers have come forward describing the neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed Trayvon Martin as “Jekyll and Hyde."
Zimmerman's changing personality came to be too much, which resulted in him getting fired from his job as a security guard.
A former co-worker told the New York Daily News that Zimmerman, usually a nice guy, would snap from time to time.
Describing Zimmerman as one of the guys, but with a dark side:

"He had a temper and he became a liability. One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted.
It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out."

George Zimmerman Was Known As "Jekyll and Hyde" (DETAILS) | Global Grind

In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program.

Zimmerman accused of domestic violence, fighting with a police officer - U.S. News

Records show that Zimmerman’s ex-fiancé filed a petition against him for allegedly pushing her in her home after insisting he leave in August 2005. The woman said Zimmerman became upset over not receiving and took her cell phone before shoving her. A fight broke out between the two with the woman’s dog biting Zimmerman in the cheek.

Zimmerman filed his own petition, claiming his ex-fiancé started the fight by inviting him over and refused to give him the documents he owned, which included mortgage papers and a car loan.

The ex-fiancé also reported that Zimmerman grouped her against her wishes in 2002 and “open handed smacked” her in the mouth in 2003. She wrote that during the alleged groping, Zimmerman “said he could because I was his woman.”

Zimmerman however claimed he was the victim, alleging that his ex-fiancé assaulted him with a baseball bat after attending a concert together in November 2002.

Based on their petitions against each other, Zimmerman and his ex-fiancé were given restraining orders .....

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/21/trayvon-martins-shooter-accused-of-past-domestic-violence/

We also know that Witness No. 9 accused Zimmerman of molesting her when they were children. The relative’s revelation is appalling but irrelevant. What most folks don’t know is that Witness No. 9 made an explosive allegation against her cousin. “I know George. And I know that he does not like black people,” she told a Sanford police officer during a telephone call in which she pleaded for anonymity. “He would start something. He’s a very confrontational person. It’s in his blood. Let’s just say that. I don’t want this poor kid and his family to just be overlooked.” At the end of the call, Witness No. 9 urged the officer to “get character reports from other people and see if he’s ever said anything about black people, about being racist or anything like that because I guarantee you there’s somebody out there who will say it.”

That phone call was significant because it was placed two days after Zimmerman killed Trayvon and a couple of weeks before the case drew national attention. Witness No. 9 wasn’t seeking attention. “I’m a mom,” she told police. “I can’t stand seeing that some kid got shot and killed over a stupid fight, especially one that my [redacted] … because I know who he is.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/28/george-zimmermans-relevant-past/

Lies, Passports & Money! Why George Zimmerman Is Going Back To Jail
June 1, 2012

In a new twist, George Zimmerman’s bond has been revoked after Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester ruled that Zimmerman has at least 48 hours to turn himself into police.

It was a crazy day in court, as the state and defense initially wanted to seal key pieces of evidence surrounding the Zimmerman case. But the Prosecution proved that Zimmerman and his wife, Shelly, lied about the monies donated to Zimmerman through a PayPal account.

Prosecutors contest that Zimmerman told his wife, Shelley Zimmerman about PayPal donations he was receiving while in jail and that she lied in the bond hearing about being aware of these funds.

But that’s not all; it was also revealed that Zimmerman had a second passport in addition to the one he surrendered to police after he was released on $150,000 bond.

The prosecution went on to say that Zimmerman "intentionally deceived the court" with his wife and talked about monies received "in code to hide what they were doing."

On the issue of Zimmerman's passport, the prosecution said:

"Zimmerman surrendered had been reported lost or stolen. He didn't turn over new, valid one."

On the issue of the money Zimmerman received in donations, prosecutors contend:

"This court was led to believe that they didn't have a single penny," saying that Zimmerman called his wife from jail before the bond hearing and "repeatedly tells her about the money."

Lawyers for the state believe that Zimmerman's wife is guilty of contempt of court for lying and are asking for Zimmerman's bond be revoked, raised and for him to be sent back to jail.

Contempt of court usually results in a maximum of 6 months in jail.

The judge declared that Zimmerman’s wife had lied and decided to revoke Zimmerman’s bond. He has at least 48 hours to turn himself into police.

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-...rt-money-trayvon-martin-details#ixzz2aYfcra52

 

[MachZer0]

Oh yes, bring on the civil suit. At the end of the day Zimmerman will need to pay for the wrongful death. He needs your help, please give liberally to his cause.

O'mara is confident that Zimmerman will get immunity from civil proceedings and that justice will prevail yet again

 

[Avniel]

We do know what happened. A thug wannabe teenager started a fight with the wrong person and justice came to him suddenly

Do you have an issue with black people this is an honest question one christian to another? I am not trying to be mean but I have noticed some of your posts regarding race seem to be a little......different....then most posters. I would really like to know how to interact with you that is why i am asking? If you say no you don't like black people or you feel XYZ about black people no one can report you because I am asking you a question. Just be honest and be real about it,