Dear George Zimmerman

[Bedford]

I can't believe this thread is still alive.

And Martin is still dead.

 

[DaisyDay]

Alexander did have a right to be in the house where her husband was living.

Thanks to Panzerkampfwagen: States Motion in Opposition of Defendants Motion for Immunity It is well worth reading if you are interested in the facts of the case.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7757774/#post63544908 for a couple of white guys at a disadvantage.

As for Alexander being at a clear disadvantage, it seems she gave nearly as much as she got. She reported only one incident to the police and that incident resulted in minor bruising. She injured Rico Gray in the eye - she was not abused that day.

 

[DaisyDay]

I can't believe this thread is still alive.

It's not even a thousand posts.

Yet.

 

[bhsmte]

And Martin is still dead.

He is and that is a tragedy.

We have some physical evidence, eye witness testimony etc. to tell us why the tragedy may have happened, but I would welcome more and look forward to more clarity as to "why" with a civil suit.

 

[Bedford]

He is and that is a tragedy.

We have some physical evidence, eye witness testimony etc. to tell us why the tragedy may have happened, but I would welcome more and look forward to more clarity as to "why" with a civil suit.

We know why. A stranger started following a teenager by a vehicle then on foot, around a neighborhood and the boy tried to stand his ground against this stranger and lost. Being dead, we will never know his side of the story.

 

[GoodSpeed]

If you can continue this thread to 40 pages, Martin will come back to life and you'll also come to understand the exact details the shooting, and thus all be able to agree upon what exactly happened that day.
People, this discussion is NOT a waste of time - eventually you will persuade each other with your arguements.

 

[Bedford]

If you can continue this thread to 40 pages, Martin will come back to life and you'll also come to understand the exact details the shooting, and thus all be able to agree upon what exactly happened that day.
People, this discussion is NOT a waste of time - eventually you will persuade each other with your arguements.

Yet, here you are not wasting your time.

 

[drstevej]

And Martin is still dead.

And Zimmerman has been acquitted by a jury. We'll see if there is additional litigation. Until then jury dismissed.

 

[Bedford]

And Zimmerman has been acquitted by a jury. We'll see if there is additional litigation. Until then jury dismissed.

We will see. Zimmerman needs money, will you be kind enough to send him some?

 

[bhsmte]

We know why. A stranger started following a teenager by a vehicle then on foot, around a neighborhood and the boy tried to stand his ground against this stranger and lost. Being dead, we will never know his side of the story.

Not quite. Clearly, we will never hear directly from Martin, but we may be able to learn more about him as a person, to give us an indication of his behavioral tendencies.

You say stood his ground, stood his ground from what exactly? Do you have evidence that he was in imminent danger of being attacked, injured or killed?

 

[Avniel]

We will see. Zimmerman needs money, will you be kind enough to send him some?

I think that is another issue I am having. The fact is dude killed a kid and it wasn't so much that he was innocent or guilty it was how white people rushed to their hero and supported him and even paid for his attorney.

 

[Bedford]

You say stood his ground, stood his ground from what exactly? Do you have evidence that he was in imminent danger of being attacked, injured or killed?

He did. He stood his ground against a night stalker who he knew nothing about other than it was somebody he did not know, and Martin was under not obligation to run away. The night stalker was carrying a loaded gun and was not afraid to use it. Seeing as Martin is now dead, I say he was in imminent danger of being attacked, injured and killed.

 

[drstevej]

We will see. Zimmerman needs money, will you be kind enough to send him some?

No. Let the news folks making money off of this foot the bill.

 

[Bedford]

I think that is another issue I am having. The fact is dude killed a kid and it wasn't so much that he was innocent or guilty it was how white people rushed to their hero and supported him and even paid for his attorney.

And the white guy paid off the AmEx, Walmart bill and all that other stuff while trying to hide the donations from the court!

Zimmerman may have not been found guilty of murder however he has been revealed to be pathetic.

 

[bhsmte]

I think that is another issue I am having. The fact is dude killed a kid and it wasn't so much that he was innocent or guilty it was how white people rushed to their hero and supported him and even paid for his attorney.

Hero is a strong term here and highly overused for effect by many. I wouldn't give Zimmerman or anyone else needing legal assistance a dime, but if others wish to, that is their prerogative.

What bothered me about this case, was the media's slanting of the facts and labeling Zimmerman a murderer. Many examples of this and that was dead wrong, plain and simple. Objectivity should rule the day when something as serious as this happens, instead of ideology. The tactics of the prosecution in this case was also very concerning to me, as it was obvious, they were succumbing to political pressure, as opposed to looking at the evidence.

I have no problem with the feds or state reviewing the investigation to make sure nothing was missed, but in this case, it went far beyond that and the evidence (or lack thereof) we all saw at trial, is confirmation of how this case was handled since the wonderful Angela Corey took over and very well may have confirmed the police department and original DA, were on target with their assessment.

Now, in regards to Zimmerman getting money for defense. I don't see any problem with that considering what has been found out about how the prosecution decided to operate in this case. If I recall, the Martin family got heavyweight support in regards to political pressure from you know who to get Zimmerman charged and also federal authorities starting an investigation into Zimmerman and potential racial motivations.

So when you look at it, Martin's side has had immense help as well, that is, unless you don't consider the forces that were put into play for his side to be considered help.

 

[Avniel]

He did. He stood his ground against a night stalker who he knew nothing about other than it was somebody he did not know, and Martin was under not obligation to run away. The night stalker was carrying a loaded gun and was not afraid to use it. Seeing as Martin is now dead, I say he was in imminent danger of being attacked, injured and killed.

I actually said it before if Zimmerman would have been killed Trayvon could have used the stand your ground law in his defense. A grown adult male, weighing more then him, criminal history, violent criminal history, obsessive calling of the police most non-emergencies, stated on the phone he was following Trayvon, had a firearm on him loaded and not on safety, with the use of the 711 videotape.....that is just about enough to create reasonable doubt anyone could have gotten Trayvon off.

 

[Swim411]

No, that is not how it works. He was living there and she was not. She had no duty to retreat, but she DID retreat to safety. But then she came back.

She had no duty to retreat. She did not retreat, as a garage is just another room in the house.

She shouldn't need a police escort to get her things from her house. And she has a right to do so without being attacked.

In any case, even in your castle, you don't discharge a weapon in the direction of children. That is what got her in trouble.

A twenty year sentence for bad judgment in a heated situation? Really?

May I remind you that George Zimmerman got out of his truck with a loaded gun to follow someone he had established an adversarial rapport with immediately before getting out of his truck.

He is applauded on these pages for his fatally bad judgment.

 

[Bedford]

I actually said it before if Zimmerman would have been killed Trayvon could have used the stand your ground law in his defense. A grown adult male, weighing more then him, criminal history, violent criminal history, obsessive calling of the police most non-emergencies, stated on the phone he was following Trayvon, had a firearm on him loaded and not on safety, with the use of the 711 videotape.....that is just about enough to create reasonable doubt anyone could have gotten Trayvon off.

I agree. I enjoy those who want to dig into Martin's past to reveal how they believe he was the aggressor when the plain truth is Zimmerman did not know Martin when he profiled him, followed him and labeled him as a suspect when Martin was doing nothing wrong. Without Zimmerman initiating the confrontation, and refusing to identify himself as watchmen for the neighborhood, there would have been no tragedy.

 

[Avniel]

Hero is a strong term here and highly overused for effect by many. I wouldn't give Zimmerman or anyone else needing legal assistance a dime, but if others wish to, that is their prerogative.

What bothered me about this case, was the media's slanting of the facts and labeling Zimmerman a murderer. Many examples of this and that was dead wrong, plain and simple. Objectivity should rule the day when something as serious as this happens, instead of ideology. The tactics of the prosecution in this case was also very concerning to me, as it was obvious, they were succumbing to political pressure, as opposed to looking at the evidence.

I have no problem with the feds or state reviewing the investigation to make sure nothing was missed, but in this case, it went far beyond that and the evidence (or lack thereof) we all saw at trial, is confirmation of how this case was handled since the wonderful Angela Corey took over and very well may have confirmed the police department and original DA, were on target with their assessment.

Now, in regards to Zimmerman getting money for defense. I don't see any problem with that considering what has been found out about how the prosecution decided to operate in this case. If I recall, the Martin family got heavyweight support in regards to political pressure from you know who to get Zimmerman charged and also federal authorities starting an investigation into Zimmerman and potential racial motivations.

So when you look at it, Martin's side has had immense help as well, that is, unless you don't consider the forces that were put into play for his side to be considered help.

The Martin's had a son that died, he was killed no matter what the circumstances were(which we still only can speculate) I expect people to support them. Zimmerman killed a child if he was justified or not isn't the issue here but I just find it a bigger statement that people are willing to help their white brother that killed a person.

Why do people say Zimmerman isn't white?

 

[drstevej]

Zimmerman should not have slammed his nose into Trayvon's fist. That is aggression.