Dear George Zimmerman

[Avniel]

Then move on. The trial isn't over the stand your ground law and the systemic racism of Florida's justice system is very much on trial still.

I agree with that I think it's funny that people stand behind the ladies conviction, the one that got 20 years, but are upset that Zimmerman was charged.

I think in general the legal system in America is racist and has been for years particularly in the south where it seems that there are two sets of laws.

 

[ReardenSteel]

I agree with that I think it's funny that people stand behind the ladies conviction, the one that got 20 years, but are upset that Zimmerman was charged.

I think in general the legal system in America is racist and has been for years particularly in the south where it seems that there are two sets of laws.

Do you even know anything about that lady that was convicted?

 

[Avniel]

Do you even know anything about that lady that was convicted?

No inform me please.

 

[Swim411]

Do you even know anything about that lady that was convicted?

Yup. She had no record, but did have injuries from the abusive husband in question. She was literally in her castle, with no obligation to retreat. And she has multiple degrees, and was an upstanding member of society.

 

[Bedford]

It doesn't matter if there were any witnesses or not.

It does when people here say stuff without having any evidence. I don't mind if they believe that Martin was 'repeatedly' bashing Zimmerman's head, but when they say it as if it is the 'truth' then I call them out.

 

[Avniel]

Yup. She had no record, but did have injuries from the abusive husband in question. She was literally in her castle, with no obligation to retreat. And she has multiple degrees, and was an upstanding member of society.

The fact is her husband had a history of abusing her. He threatened her life and she let off a warning shot and she get's 20 years. America has no sort of racism it is a beautiful country built on hard working americans who love all people

 

[Avniel]

It does when people here say stuff without having any evidence. I don't mind if they believe that Martin was 'repeatedly' bashing Zimmerman's head, but when they say it as if it is the 'truth' then I call them out.

The exact problem when people paint Zimmerman to be some kind of hero. He killed a kid you don't know what happened and I don't know what happened no one does. The fact is we do not know we believe what we believe.

 

[GoodSpeed]

Is there any possibility it was Trayvons gun and GZ managed to wrestle it away from him and use it against him?
statistically speaking it was more likely Trayvons weapon.

 

[Swim411]

The fact is her husband had a history of abusing her. He threatened her life and she let off a warning shot and she get's 20 years. America has no sort of racism it is a beautiful country built on hard working americans who love all people

Exactly!

And the sad thing is that a decent state attorney would never have charged her for a crime that carried a twenty year penalty, in the first place. It can truly only be done to people with no standing in society, who have no effective way of holding her (Angela Corey) accountable for such poor prosecutorial judgment.

The case in question, when examined, reveals a much more serious problem. Specifically, it gets innocent people to agree to plea bargains rather than face outrageous prosecutions that have draconian sentences, where they might not have enough money to pay bail, and cannot afford to be separated from their families awaiting trial.

So, ironically, people who know they are innocent, who don't believe they should have to take a plea bargain, are the ones who take a big risk going to trial. And you can be pretty sure that this successful prosecution will persuade many innocent people who are faced with Angela Corey and a plea bargain will now take the plea bargain.

 

[DaisyDay]

Yup. She had no record, but did have injuries from the abusive husband in question. She was literally in her castle, with no obligation to retreat. And she has multiple degrees, and was an upstanding member of society.

That's not accurate. Marissa Alexander went to her former home to pick up some clothes. Her husband was staying there with his children. She left the house, went to her car, got the gun and came back into the kitchen.

The "warning shot" she fired hit the wall behind where the children were standing.

She was later arrested on a different charge of assault, domestic battery, against her husband which left him with an injured eye.

Source:Florida Times-Union.

It may be a bad law, but it is the law that in Florida, if you fire a weapon in the direction of people, it is considered aggravated assault and carries a high penalty. White men have also been convicted and sentenced the same under this law.

 

[bhsmte]

Zimmerman does not need helpmates to go the hyperbolic mile for him.

If a federal case is put forth, witness #22 made statements regarding Zimmerman's behavior. Zimmerman is not innocent of racial jeering and harassment, which he directed at witness #22.

I linked to racial profiling occurrences in this thread. Some individuals are taking their cases to court. What their cases have in common with the Martin-Zimmerman case is implicit and explicit biases.

Neither Zimmerman's family line nor his good intentions toward minorities excuses him of any racial targeting or racially expressed views of minorities.

For the matter, Zimmerman can take the implicit bias test and then go to de-bias school.

Correll was firm to state any implicit or explicit bias that took place, or not, between Martin and Zimmerman is unknown. Correll adds, "However, it’s also true that we have lots of evidence that people tend to associate African Americans with threats, and that is particularly true for young male African Americans. That’s a pretty widespread stereotype, that colors a lot of judgments.”

Inzlicht contributes to the article in the bolded portion of the quote: "Implicit bias is certainly not the only possible reason why Zimmerman was interested in Martin. Explicit bias, says Michael Inzlicht, associate professor of social psychology at the University of Toronto, reflects “a fully conscious belief that there is an association, in this example, between black young men, violence, and guns: ‘I think it makes sense for me to think these people are especially likely to be dangerous.’” Even without explicit bias, implicit bias can play a role, Inzlicht says, “and when you see a young black male with a hoodie, that association bubbles to surface.”

I do not encourage helpmates for Zimmerman to focus on the victim's (Martin's) fictional wanted image and ignore the bad news about Zimmerman by remaining ever inclined to dismiss his negligent and prejudicial behavior.

Martin supporters have a more judicious approach. An all-out influence is recognized when the turbidness of implicit and explicit biases are monitored.

End the implicit and explicit biases---as quoted from Correll and Inzlicht--- that young black males are threats. This is the key message communicated by those I have been studying that you ignore.

Racial profiling | The Why Files​

Do you think there is going to be federal charges against Zimmerman?

Also, I would encourage a thorough diving into both Martin's and Zimmerman's backgrounds (could happen with a civil case) to see what that reveals.

Maybe, just maybe, we find evidence that Martin may have indeed profiled Zimmerman and that is why he attacked him, instead of the other way around.

Bring on the civil case and all the opening of doors that will come along with it and we will see where additional evidence leads us.

 

[bhsmte]

Not according to stand your ground law, and I maintain that it is a good law.

Stand your ground law can be a good law or a bad law, depending on what the circumstances are. It helps people that need help in certain situations and also can allow unneeded aggression in other situations.

I think the standard self defense law is adequate.

 

[bhsmte]

According to the killer.


His word is not good for me, and I wonder when they will punish the wife for lying to the court?

What does his wife have to do with the evidence in Zimmerman's case?

Do you know how often people purger themselves in a courtroom (and everyone knows it) and people are never prosecuted?

I'm sure if it's up to Corey, they will indeed follow through on going after his wife, but I have a feeling Corey's best days are behind her and she will have some serious challenges ahead.

Didn't they already file charges against his wife? If they did, I highly doubt they don't follow through on prosecuting her.

 

[Swim411]

That's not accurate. Marissa Alexander went to her former home to pick up some clothes. Her husband was staying there with his children. She left the house, went to her car, got the gun and came back into the kitchen.

The "warning shot" she fired hit the wall behind where the children were standing.

She was later arrested on a different charge of assault, domestic battery, against her husband which left him with an injured eye.

Source:Florida Times-Union.

It may be a bad law, but it is the law that in Florida, if you fire a weapon in the direction of people, it is considered aggravated assault and carries a high penalty. White men have also been convicted and sentenced the same under this law.

When you have clothes in a house where you lived, that is your castle. That's how it works. She had a right to be there to get her things. She had no duty to retreat. Yet, a judge said she did have that duty.

And nine day post partum men don't exist. I doubt you could find a case where a white man, who was clearly at a physical disadvantage, was charged with aggravated assault for firing a warning shot in his own home.

 

[bhsmte]

For all we know, Zimmerman slammed his own head on the concrete after he slipped on the wet grass while grabbing at Martin.

I guess that is possible, a lot of things are possible.

It' also possible Martin was the one that profiled Zimmerman (thinking he was white) and would make sense of the comments he made to his friend on the phone. Is that possible? Because of Martin's racial comments on the phone, it is more possible that other speculation going on here with no evidence to back it up. Maybe Martin was set on taking care of this guy and kicking his ass and was not scared in the slightest, which is why he didn't go home.

Maybe more delving into his background with a civil case will allow more clarity into this.

 

[bhsmte]

The fact is her husband had a history of abusing her. He threatened her life and she let off a warning shot and she get's 20 years. America has no sort of racism it is a beautiful country built on hard working americans who love all people

There is a little more to it than that, but I would agree that her getting 20 years is insane and the original judge refused to give her more than 3 (despite the law stating she needed to get 20) and good ole Angela Corey appealed the judges sentence to the Fla supreme court and got the sentence back up to 20 years.

Her case is completely different than Zimmerman's and not even worth comparing.

Lastly, for those on here who don't like guns, Florida's laws are intended to severely punish those who use guns in an illegal fashion and that is why the sentences are so severe. IMO, the problem comes in, when the judge has zero leeway to not impose the severe sentences, when the circumstances would call for it.

 

[DaisyDay]

When you have clothes in a house where you lived, that is your castle. That's how it works. She had a right to be there to get her things. She had no duty to retreat. Yet, a judge said she did have that duty.

No, that is not how it works. He was living there and she was not. She had no duty to retreat, but she DID retreat to safety. But then she came back.

In any case, even in your castle, you don't discharge a weapon in the direction of children. That is what got her in trouble.

And nine day post partum men don't exist.

What?

I doubt you could find a case where a white man, who was clearly at a physical disadvantage, was charged with aggravated assault for firing a warning shot in his own home.

I had it in the last thread, with sources.

 

[Bedford]

I guess that is possible, a lot of things are possible.

It' also possible Martin was the one that profiled Zimmerman (thinking he was white) and would make sense of the comments he made to his friend on the phone. Is that possible? Because of Martin's racial comments on the phone, it is more possible that other speculation going on here with no evidence to back it up. Maybe Martin was set on taking care of this guy and kicking his ass and was not scared in the slightest, which is why he didn't go home.

Maybe more delving into his background with a civil case will allow more clarity into this.

Oh yes, bring on the civil suit. At the end of the day Zimmerman will need to pay for the wrongful death. He needs your help, please give liberally to his cause.

 

[GoodSpeed]

I can't believe this thread is still alive.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh yes, bring on the civil suit. At the end of the day Zimmerman will need to pay for the wrongful death. He needs your help, please give liberally to his cause.

Yep, bring it on. More credible information = more clarity and I like clarity.