Zionism

[Rhamiel]

How many people here are Christian Zionists?

By this I mean, do you believe that the promises that God makes to Israel in the Old Testament translate to the modern nation state of Israel that is now in the Middle East?

I know a lot of Christians who support Israel because it is a political ally of the USA and it is a democratic nation in an area that does not have very many democracies. That is not what this thread is about

I am more interested if you think that the modern nation state of Israel plays a role in End Time Prophecies and/or is the legitimate successor of the promises God made to the People of Israel in the OT

 

[Crypto]

I do believe that the their return to Palestine is the fulfillment of a prophecy. However, I don't like some of the things they are doing. It is a complex situation, since the Arabs will always hate them, even if the Jews behave like saints.

 

[Nom De Guerre]

I do believe that the their return to Palestine is the fulfillment of a prophecy. However, I don't like some of the things they are doing. It is a complex situation, since the Arabs will always hate them, even if the Jews behave like saints.

Pretty much this.

 

[FearlessHeart]

That's not what a Christian Zionist is. I'm a dispensationalist and most who are also think (literal) Israel plays a crucial role in prophecy. Funny, in college I had friends who were catholic and they had the same misconception.

 

[nick garai]

I am a Messianic Jew but I suppose that I would be a Christian Zionist.

 

[Rhamiel]

That's not what a Christian Zionist is. I'm a dispensationalist and most who are also think (literal) Israel plays a crucial role in prophecy. Funny, in college I had friends who were catholic and they had the same misconception.

how would you define a Christian Zionist then?

I do know that Dispensationalists have this view, but there are some who believe that OT Israel = Modern Nation State Israel and do not agree with other doctrines that Dispensationalists believe, so I thought "Christian Zionist" would be a broader term

 

[Rhamiel]

I am a Messianic Jew but I suppose that I would be a Christian Zionist.

Do you believe that the Jews have a right to the land in Israel based on the Bible?

 

[nick garai]

Do you believe that the Jews have a right to the land in Israel based on the Bible?

Yes I do believe that the Jews have a right to claim the Holy Land as their own. It was given to them by God through Abraham. The Jews are indigenous peoples to the Holy Land. Muslims should leave.

 

[Qyöt27]

how would you define a Christian Zionist then?

I do know that Dispensationalists have this view, but there are some who believe that OT Israel = Modern Nation State Israel and do not agree with other doctrines that Dispensationalists believe, so I thought "Christian Zionist" would be a broader term

Well, this is the leader for the Wikipedia article on Christian Zionism:

Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. It overlaps with, but is distinct from, the nineteenth century movement for the Restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land, which had both religiously and politically motivated supporters. The term Christian Zionism was popularized in the mid-twentieth century. Prior to that time the common term was Restorationism.[1]

Some Christian Zionists believe that the "ingathering" of Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. This belief is primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian Dispensationalism. The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christian, as a means fulfilling a Biblical prophecy has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.[2][3][4]

Many Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen people of God, along with the "ingrafted" Gentile Christians[Romans 11:17-24] (dual-covenant theology). This has the added effect of turning Christian Zionists into supporters of Jewish Zionism.

That said, I absolutely am not - mostly, but not entirely because I'm an amillennial preterist. I've made my opinion on the matter known elsewhere, I'm not going to get into it again.

 

[HonestTruth]

There is no basis for "Christian Zionism" since the Promised Land was promised to Abraham and his seed as well as to all who acknowledge Jesus as Messiah: Galatians 3:29. Therefore, since Zionism is an exclusionist ideology it is forbidden by New Testament teaching.

 

[Crypto]

There is no basis for "Christian Zionism" since the Promised Land was promised to Abraham and his seed as well as to all who acknowledge Jesus as Messiah: Galatians 3:29. Therefore, since Zionism is an exclusionist ideology it is forbidden by New Testament teaching.

Paul says clearly that all of Israel (Jewish Israel) will be saved at the end of times. Also, Jesus will come back when Israel is surrounded by armies.

 

[Sketcher]

Paul says clearly that all of Israel (Jewish Israel) will be saved at the end of times. Also, Jesus will come back when Israel is surrounded by armies.

Not sure where you're going with this. Will they retain their Jewish identity yet believe in Jesus? Yes. Will they have a way into Heaven without Jesus? No. Paul also says that not all of Israel is part of the true Israel that will be saved (Rom. 9:6-8). And that they will turn to Jesus eventually (Romans 11:25-27). Hebrews is also very clear that only those who accept Jesus will receive the promise of life and rest.

 

[Crypto]

Not sure where you're going with this. Will they retain their Jewish identity yet believe in Jesus? Yes. Will they have a way into Heaven without Jesus? No. Paul also says that not all of Israel is part of the true Israel that will be saved (Rom. 9:6-8). And that they will turn to Jesus eventually (Romans 11:25-27). Hebrews is also very clear that only those who accept Jesus will receive the promise of life and rest.

At the end of times all of Jewish Israel will turn to the Lord and be saved. Then the Lord will come. Read Romans 11.

 

[Sketcher]

At the end of times all of Jewish Israel will turn to the Lord and be saved. Then the Lord will come. Read Romans 11.

Yes, that's what I was getting at. I just wasn't sure that this is what you were getting at. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Rhamiel]

At the end of times all of Jewish Israel will turn to the Lord and be saved. Then the Lord will come. Read Romans 11.

some people do think that near the end of time a large number of Jews will become Christian
but that does not really need for a physical nation-state of Israel for that to happen

 

[Nanopants]

At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts. -Jer 3:17

I think that pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[Crypto]

some people do think that near the end of time a large number of Jews will become Christian
but that does not really need for a physical nation-state of Israel for that to happen

Yes, but I think I've read somewhere that the second coming will take place when Jerusalem is about to be destroyed. I might be wrong about it.

 

[Crypto]

Here it is:

"Behold, the day of the Lord is coming . . . For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity . . . Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle.
"And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south" (Zechariah 14:1-4).

 

[KingCrimson250]

That's not what a Christian Zionist is. I'm a dispensationalist and most who are also think (literal) Israel plays a crucial role in prophecy. Funny, in college I had friends who were catholic and they had the same misconception.

Whoa, dispensationalism's still kicking around?

 

[Rhamiel]

Whoa, dispensationalism's still kicking around?

oh yeah, I know a lot of people who believe in some form of Dispensationalism and/or Christian Zionism