Pope Francis exalts Mary as our intercessor, in place of Jesus as our High Priest.

[CFTerminator]

Pope Francis tweeted this on July 24th, 2013.

"Never forget, young friends: The Virgin Mary is our Mother and with her help we can remain faithful to Christ."

This is what the Bible says:

Hebrews 4:15-16

"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

I John 2:1

"My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Note, no mention of Mary as our intercessor in the Bible, its purely based on man made tradition.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

the bible is based on the same traditions . the bible did not preceed the traditions . it in itself is complimented by the traditions . the logical premise of your argument collapses on itself because it rejects its foundation

 

[Noxot]

i don't mind as many angels and saints helping me as possible, i can use all the help i can get. God is enough but he also sends his saints and angels to assist us because he loves us. I don't pray enough but there are so many more praying constantly and it does appear that God desires prayers. one reason is because we all have freedom and this helps God to freely act with us and bless those who may not pray. ofc some thing God will not do for us unless we ourselves are seeking him but it helps having so many Godly people on the kingdom of heavens side.

even Jesus was assisted by angels while he dwelt in this earth and they never do stop assisting him. obviously if we have the virgin marys virtues by the grace of God in ourselves then we indeed are greatly helped by being as she was in this world. only a pure celestial virgin can give birth to Christ.

we must also realize that we must cling to God of our own freedom as well which really just means being as attached to God as possible, like a little child. we can not depend on Jesus and all the others praying for us and think we can do nothing, nay we must pick up our cross and follow Jesus or we shall not be in the kingdom of heaven. we must use what little strength we have to reach for God that God may see and have pity on us and give us his Holy Spirit so that we may understand what it is to be spiritual as the angels, saints, mary, and Jesus all are.

 

[Albion]

Note, no mention of Mary as our intercessor in the Bible, its purely based on man made tradition.

That's true, but is it going too far to add that this tradition means that Jesus, our High Priest, has been replaced by Mary?

 

[sinning machine]

Mary and the saints are dead and in the grave and know not nothing.

 

[Kristos]

Pope Francis tweeted this on July 24th, 2013.

"Never forget, young friends: The Virgin Mary is our Mother and with her help we can remain faithful to Christ."

This is what the Bible says:

Hebrews 4:15-16

"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

I John 2:1

"My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Note, no mention of Mary as our intercessor in the Bible, its purely based on man made tradition.

There doesn't seem to be any logical connection between the quote, the evidence and the conclusion. Try again...

 

[CFTerminator]

the bible is based on the same traditions . the bible did not preceed the traditions . it in itself is complimented by the traditions . the logical premise of your argument collapses on itself because it rejects its foundation

Your argument would fail in a court of law, if your arguments were based purely on the Bible. I can show in the Bible who is our intercessor, while you must quote tradition outside of the Bible. I exalt the Bible, you exalt tradition.

 

[CFTerminator]

i don't mind as many angels and saints helping me as possible, i can use all the help i can get. God is enough but he also sends his saints and angels to assist us because he loves us. I don't pray enough but there are so many more praying constantly and it does appear that God desires prayers. one reason is because we all have freedom and this helps God to freely act with us and bless those who may not pray. ofc some thing God will not do for us unless we ourselves are seeking him but it helps having so many Godly people on the kingdom of heavens side.

even Jesus was assisted by angels while he dwelt in this earth and they never do stop assisting him. obviously if we have the virgin marys virtues by the grace of God in ourselves then we indeed are greatly helped by being as she was in this world. only a pure celestial virgin can give birth to Christ.

we must also realize that we must cling to God of our own freedom as well which really just means being as attached to God as possible, like a little child. we can not depend on Jesus and all the others praying for us and think we can do nothing, nay we must pick up our cross and follow Jesus or we shall not be in the kingdom of heaven. we must use what little strength we have to reach for God that God may see and have pity on us and give us his Holy Spirit so that we may understand what it is to be spiritual as the angels, saints, mary, and Jesus all are.

If Mary was to be our intercessor, the Bible would have clearly stated that! The fact of the matter is that Jesus never exalted Mary. In fact the Scriptures don't say that much about her. She indeed was selected by God, but was fallen human being like us. Who had to overcome sin and pray for the Holy Spirit to fill her and empower her, just the like Apostles did in the book of Acts.

 

[Sean611]

Your argument would fail in a court of law, if your arguments were based purely on the Bible. I can show in the Bible who is our intercessor, while you must quote tradition outside of the Bible. I exalt the Bible, you exalt tradition.

So what did the early Christians do before they had canonized Scripture with all the correct books in it? The Bible is definitely the first and most imporant place a Christian should look to, but we must not discount tradition either. For Anglicans, Scripture and tradition are in harmony with one another, not at odds.

 

[kellhus]

Pope Francis tweeted this on July 24th, 2013.

"Never forget, young friends: The Virgin Mary is our Mother and with her help we can remain faithful to Christ."

This is what the Bible says:

Hebrews 4:15-16

"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

I John 2:1

"My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Note, no mention of Mary as our intercessor in the Bible, its purely based on man made tradition.

"High Priest" and "intercessor" are not the same thing. Pope Francis didnt even say either in his tweet. You're just making stuff up.

 

[kellhus]

If Mary was to be our intercessor, the Bible would have clearly stated that!

Why?


Do you even know what "intercessor" means?

 

[Optimax]

the bible is based on the same traditions . the bible did not preceed the traditions . it in itself is complimented by the traditions . the logical premise of your argument collapses on itself because it rejects its foundation

The Bible is God's word to us.

It is the only book in the world thru which God is revealed to man.

Anything that is of God comes from the Bible.

Anything that is not in the Bible is man made religion.

For clarification the Bible consist of the OT and NT.

 

[Rev Randy]

That's true, but is it going too far to add that this tradition means that Jesus, our High Priest, has been replaced by Mary?

When you only have a short tweet, one needs to add to make a conspiracy.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

but the saints are not dead . because of the power of the resurrection we do not sleep . we become part of the great cloud of witnesses . that will meet with those still remaining on the ground .. when that glorious day comes .

 

[Rev Randy]

"High Priest" and "intercessor" are not the same thing. Pope Francis didnt even say either in his tweet. You're just making stuff up.

Ya think? Now how could an intercessor (which any Christian can be for another through prayer) be a Replacement for Christ? The OP is assuming more than was said. Now when the OP finds a statement by the Pope that says Mary is an actual replacement for Christ, I'll back him up 100%. But I really doubt he'll find anything remotely close to that.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The Bible is God's word to us.

It is the only book in the world thru which God is revealed to man.

Anything that is of God comes from the Bible.

Anything that is not in the Bible is man made religion.

For clarification the Bible consist of the OT and NT.

I've seen people demonize themselves with the bible . i tend to trust the holy spirit this way . but not the bible . its too reliant on the heart of the reader .

 

[Rev Randy]

but the saints are not dead . because of the power of the resurrection we do not sleep . we become part of the great cloud of witnesses . that will meet with those still remaining on the ground .. when that glorious day comes .

Dead saints kinda takes the hope of serving Christ away. I'm pretty sure everlasting life does not equal dead.

 

[Rev Randy]

If Mary was to be our intercessor, the Bible would have clearly stated that! The fact of the matter is that Jesus never exalted Mary. In fact the Scriptures don't say that much about her. She indeed was selected by God, but was fallen human being like us. Who had to overcome sin and pray for the Holy Spirit to fill her and empower her, just the like Apostles did in the book of Acts.

If Ellen White was really a prophet, why didn't the Bible tell us that? Mary is not the sole intercessor. Anyone who prays for you has been your intercessor.
Now can you explain why you took such a short tweet and created a misleading proposal?

 

[Stryder06]

So what did the early Christians do before they had canonized Scripture with all the correct books in it? The Bible is definitely the first and most imporant place a Christian should look to, but we must not discount tradition either. For Anglicans, Scripture and tradition are in harmony with one another, not at odds.

Luke 24:27 - And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself

Acts 17:11 - These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

It would seem there were scriptures already available and in use that helped to distinguish what was true from what was false. What many seem to fail to realize is that the NT is really just an unfolding of the OT promises.

 

[Stryder06]

If Ellen White was really a prophet, why didn't the Bible tell us that?

THe bible tells us that there will be prophets and those who have dreams and visions among God's people. What it doesn't tell us is that anyone besides Christ is our intercessor.