as it was,so shall it be/choking on a gnat ?

[toLiJC]

As I look around, it's very clear that evolution IS perfect and IS totally righteous. Just looking at the vast variety of life forms that God's Creation creates through change shows very clearly how perfect and righteous evolution is. God's own Creation, as Created by God is showing us this Truth in how He Creates new life forms. Unless of course one is calling God's Creation a lie.

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In the same breath, God's Creation, as Created by God is showing us that it is through evolution through which He Creates new life forms. So though God doesn't "need" evolution, it is the process that He is using. And He can do that as well.

The Genesis Creation Story is the creation story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe of desert nomads.

The Bible is not a science book. It is a book about man's relationship with God.

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and what such an evolution avails so compared to the very salvation?!, what is better for/more important to the ensouled beings/souls, to receive abundant and everlasting lives in the true Lord God directly, or to pass through an evolution?!, e.g. do you want to pass through decades of education in order to obtain a permit to live your personal life instead of having it directly?!, why would the true God make the life difficult for achievement/attainment causing many afflictions to the ensouled beings thus?!, is He a villain or sadist?!

Blessings

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by toLiJC

there is no evolution in the Bible, but it is written there that God has created the human and the animals in one day (reference: Genesis 1-2)
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But it doesn't say how he did it. And since a Day* in scripture is not the same as a day for us, who knows how long it actually took?

* according to Aman777

Dear rikerjoe, You are correct. The first 3 Days could NOT have been 24 hours since the Sun wasn't made until the 4th Day. Gen. 1:16

Also, IF a Day is 24 hours, then the LORD lied and satan told the Truth to Eve, since Adam did NOT die in 24 hours. The LORD told Adam, "in the Day" he disobeyed and ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, that he "would surely die." Adam did NOT die in 24 hours BUT he did die on the present 6th Day.

The idea that a Day is 24 hours is NOT true according to the definition of Day (Heb-Yowm) since a Day can be 12 hours, 24 hours, a lifetime or Forever. The 7th Day is a good example since it is Eternity.

We STILL live on the 6th Day since God is STILL creating mankind "in His Image" or in Christ Today. God's Time is presently stopped at Genesis 1:27 for God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit MUST create a New Christian, thus showing us that God is still working.

Also, Genesis 1:28-31 is PROPHECY of events which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet at the end of time. Isaiah 11:7

The idea that a Day is only 24 hours was the theology of ancient men which was included in the traditional, religious, view, which does NOT agree with scripture, science, nor history. For ALL of these reasons and more, a Day is much longer than traditional denominational views teach.

God has but 7 Days and today is the 6th Day in the creation of the perfect Heaven. That's God's Truth, Scripturally.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Mr Strawberry]

You mean "first place," don't you, thinker?

Yes, I do mean that.

 

[dlamberth]

and what such an evolution avails so compared to the very salvation?!, what is better for/more important to the ensouled beings/souls, to receive abundant and everlasting lives in the true Lord God directly, or to pass through an evolution?!, e.g. do you want to pass through decades of education in order to obtain a permit to live your personal life instead of having it directly?!, why would the true God make the life difficult for achievement/attainment causing many afflictions to the ensouled beings thus?!, .......

For myself, it's much more important to have God as my reality, today where He is needed the most than are concerns or images about Salvation. Salvation, what ever that looks like, is for God to decide. So I leave those sorts of things up to God. Making God a reality in my life is what I see as being the most important thing for me to do.

With that in mind, I find that through the sciences exploring the Creation processes we are given a window into how God Creates new life forms. And in that sacredness as we watch God's Creation process I find much gratitude and thankfulness and wonder as God is made alive for us to see even with in His own Creation through what we have come to call "evolution".

...is He a villain or sadist?!

For me?...God is neither villain or sadist...He is Life itSelf!!!


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[dlamberth]

The idea that a Day is only 24 hours was the theology of ancient men which was included in the traditional, religious, view, which does NOT agree with scripture, science, nor history.

Could you show us the science and history your always talking about that backs up your claims?

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[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

The idea that a Day is only 24 hours was the theology of ancient men which was included in the traditional, religious, view, which does NOT agree with scripture, science, nor history.
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Could you show us the science and history your always talking about that backs up your claims?.

Dear dlamberth, Sure. Science tells us the Big Bang was 13.7 Billion years ago based on the time it takes first light, as measured from the cosmic microwave background radiation, to reach our Planet. God tells us the BB was on the 3rd Day. This is evidence that each of God's Days or Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, since today is the 6th Day and 3 Days ago to God was some 13.5 Billion years ago in man's time. This dating is close but depends on what time on the present 6th Day it actually is. This Day will NOT end for at least another 1k years AFTER Jesus returns.

Science also shows that the first life on our Earth was prokaryotes or bacteria which appeared some 3.7 Billion years ago. This agrees with God's Timeline and shows that it was yesterday in God's time. This agrees with Genesis 1:21 which shows that God created and brought forth life from the water on the 5th Day.

History shows that the earliest Pyramids were built some 4630 years ago. This shows that the Flood could NOT have been 4043k years ago as some religionists believe. I get this figure by subtracting 1730 years (time before the Flood) from 5773, which is the date of the first day of creation as set by Jewish theologians. This means that the date of the Flood could not have taken place 4043 years ago since the Pyramids would have been destroyed in the Flood IF it had been on our Earth. It's the same IF you accept Ussher's figures which show the first Day at 6k years ago, in man's time.

History also records the first human cities (villages) were built some 9500 years ago making it impossible that our Planet is just 6k years old, in man's time. Evidence shows that the arrival of Noah on our Planet was some 10k years ago since Noah's great grandsons built the first human cities on our Earth. Human civilization began with the arrival of Noah and has been recorded by human history since the Ark arrived.

God's Truth agrees in every way with the discoveries of Scripture, Science, and History IF you have the proper interpretation. The Theory of Evolution does NOT agree with Scripture, Science nor History since it a man made false assumption. Tomorrow is the 7th Day when ALL Christians will be in Heaven (Gen. 2:1) and ALL of God's work will finally be finished or brought to perfection. (Gen. 2:2 and 3) The 7th Day is Eternity for it has NO evening, and NO ending.

God wrote the complete HISTORY of His Creation in the FIRST Chapter of Genesis, including events which are future to our time. He told the entire story in the first Chapter of Genesis and 3 verses of Genesis two. ALL of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to the events of God's 7 Day Creation. It's PROOF of God since ONLY God could have authored our History so long ago. That's God's Truth, Scripturally, Scientifically, and Historically. Jesus is LORD.

In Love,
Aman

 

[toLiJC]

For myself, it's much more important to have God as my reality, today where He is needed the most than are concerns or images about Salvation. Salvation, what ever that looks like, is for God to decide. So I leave those sorts of things up to God. Making God a reality in my life is what I see as being the most important thing for me to do.

With that in mind, I find that through the sciences exploring the Creation processes we are given a window into how God Creates new life forms. And in that sacredness as we watch God's Creation process I find much gratitude and thankfulness and wonder as God is made alive for us to see even with in His own Creation through what we have come to call "evolution".

For me?...God is neither villain or sadist...He is Life itSelf!!!

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the passiveness as regards the salvation is not good in the faith, because the salvation more or less depends on the prayers of the true Saints

Matthew 24:22 "except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake(i.e. but because of the solicitation(s) of the true Saints) those days shall be shortened.",

Revelation 5:8 "And when he(i.e. the Lord Jesus Christ) had taken the book(viz. the book of (the) overall salvation), the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."

as it is evident from these biblical passages, the process of overall salvation is quickened by the intercession(s) of the true Saints, such is the purpose in the faith, namely that the spiritual servants work for the God's salvation and life's provision to all human/ensouled beings, because the true God is the Executor, while the true Saints are the supplicants/pleaders therein, but such an evolution as the biological and the reincarnational is one of the satanic inventions made in order to mislead the spiritual servants/workers, because it dooms the souls to suffer unduly

Blessings

 

[TLK Valentine]

and what such an evolution avails so compared to the very salvation?!,

Well, the good book does say "the truth shall set you free."

If evolution is true, are you suggesting it be hidden from people?

what is better for/more important to the ensouled beings/souls, to receive abundant and everlasting lives in the true Lord God directly, or to pass through an evolution?!,

I would think knowing how we really got here would be better and more important. Feel free to disagree.

e.g. do you want to pass through decades of education in order to obtain a permit to live your personal life instead of having it directly?!,

I'll neer get such a permit as long as religious types get in my way.

why would the true God make the life difficult for achievement/attainment causing many afflictions to the ensouled beings thus?!, is He a villain or sadist?!

Ask Him yourself -- your desire to make God anything besides what He is does not make it so.

 

[dlamberth]

God wrote the complete HISTORY of His Creation in the FIRST Chapter of Genesis....

The Genesis Creation Story is the creation story of a very ancient middle-eastern tribe of desert nomads who in no way had the means of science to show them the true story of how new life forms, including the human being, are created.

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[AV1611VET]

The Genesis Creation Story is the creation story of a very ancient middle-eastern tribe of desert nomads who in no way had the means of science to show them the true story of how new life forms, including the human being, are created.

And the evolution story comes to us via a man who left his medical profession and country, went bird watching on an exotic island, came home diseased and wrote a book called The Preservation of Favoured Races.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

And the evolution story comes to us via a man who left his medical profession and country, went bird watching on an exotic island, came home diseased and wrote a book called The Preservation of Favoured Races.

Well we only need to accept the bits that have been demonstrated as correct via independant objective testing. No one is required to read or even believe Darwin.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well we only need to accept the bits that have been demonstrated as correct via independant objective testing. No one is required to read or even believe Darwin.

I have no qualms with that, but when they start their ridicule of the Jews, then I take offense.

There aren't ten scientists today worthy of saying one word against God's chosen people.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

I have no qualms with that, but when they start their ridicule of the Jews, then I take offense.

There aren't ten scientists today worthy of saying one word against God's chosen people.

Well I understand that unfair characterizations get under one's skin but we don't want to end up blind and toothless as the saying goes.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I have no qualms with that, but when they start their ridicule of the Jews, then I take offense.

That's more of a Christian trait than an evolutionist one.

There aren't ten scientists today worthy of saying one word against God's chosen people.

You mean a bunch of tribes who just had to believe they were special in order to justify slaughtering everyone in their path?

 

[Aman777]

And the evolution story comes to us via a man who left his medical profession and country, went bird watching on an exotic island, came home diseased and wrote a book called The Preservation of Favoured Races.

Dear AV, You should know that it's not allowed for you to point out the obvious racism of Darwin. You should bow down like Evols do and worship anything old Charlie says. Otherwise, Evols will call you names and imply that you're nuts, because you don't accept Darwin's Folly, otherwise known as the ToE.

It's unfair to do this to a man who ignored his training and made up the False ToE to explain his rejection of God's Truth. In Evol land, he's a Saint. Some of them think that he is God and when you die, you're going to the Galapagos islands. So repent of your unbelief and embrace Darwin and his worshipful Theory. Otherwise, you'll never get to see Charlie and you'll be barred from the islands which prove Charlie right, and God wrong.

In Love,
Aman

 

[TLK Valentine]

Dear AV, You should know that it's not allowed for you to point out the obvious racism of Darwin. You should bow down like Evols do and worship anything old Charlie says. Otherwise, Evols will call you names and imply that you're nuts, because you don't accept Darwin's Folly, otherwise known as the ToE.

You know, for a man who claims to hold "God's Truth," you do love your strawmen...

It's unfair to do this to a man who ignored his training and made up the False ToE to explain his rejection of God's Truth. In Evol land, he's a Saint. Some of them think that he is God and when you die, you're going to the Galapagos islands. So repent of your unbelief and embrace Darwin and his worshipful Theory. Otherwise, you'll never get to see Charlie and you'll be barred from the islands which prove Charlie right, and God wrong.

In Love,
Aman

You know, for a man who claims to do everything "In Love," you have a lot of bitterness...

It's sad really -- I hope someday you find the peace you claim to have found in God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well I understand that unfair characterizations get under one's skin but we don't want to end up blind and toothless as the saying goes.

Speaking of skin and teeth, didn't the Nazis ...

Well, nevermind.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's more of a Christian trait than an evolutionist one.

I highly doubt that. Christians [should] have a special love for the Jews.

! JERUSALEM !

You mean a bunch of tribes who just had to believe they were special in order to justify slaughtering everyone in their path?

Cute.

 

[AV1611VET]

Dear AV, You should know that it's not allowed for you to point out the obvious racism of Darwin. You should bow down like Evols do and worship anything old Charlie says. Otherwise, Evols will call you names and imply that you're nuts, because you don't accept Darwin's Folly, otherwise known as the ToE.

It's unfair to do this to a man who ignored his training and made up the False ToE to explain his rejection of God's Truth. In Evol land, he's a Saint. Some of them think that he is God and when you die, you're going to the Galapagos islands. So repent of your unbelief and embrace Darwin and his worshipful Theory. Otherwise, you'll never get to see Charlie and you'll be barred from the islands which prove Charlie right, and God wrong.

In Love,
Aman

Unless Mr. Darwin had a deathbed conversion, he's in a place no ape would dare go.

Animals are usually afraid of fire, but for some reason, evolutionists like to think themselves exempt.

 

[AV1611VET]

You know, for a man who claims to do everything "In Love," you have a lot of bitterness...

Why? because he dared speak of your prophet with a sarcastic tone?