Phoebe Ann said:Please stop being rude. You're hiding your light under a bushel.
I'm sorry to offend you Ann. Thanks for your humility.
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Phoebe Ann said:Please stop being rude. You're hiding your light under a bushel.
I would suspect that DRsteve is on guard from anyone coming into his meetings and saying their hail mary's also. Is that considered recruting? Dr?
I would not be bothered by it in any meeting. Not being insecure has its benefits.
We have many Catholics who attend our church and I know none of them that write letters recruiting our members to become Catholics and to attend RCIA. So we welcome them. If they do what Stan did I would confront that too.
Had Stan simply attended without seeking to recruit no one would have minded.
I believe that the church ages are seven...
1. Ephesus Apostolic Leaving the first love All they which are in Asia be turned away from me II Timothy 1:15
2. Smyrna Martyrs Persecutions ten days Foxes Book of Martyrs describes ten Roman persecutions.
3. Pergamos Orthodox A pyrgos is a fortified structure Needed for the dark ages.
4. Thyatira Catholic The Spirit of Jezebel is to persecute, control, and to dominate... Can invade any church!
5. Sardis Protestant A sardius is a gem, elegant yet hard and rigid. Doctrine in the head, little in the heart.
6. Philadelphia Methodist To obtain sanctification was to do so with love.
7. Laodicea Charismatic Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?
It is the spirit of Jezebel whose desire it is to control and to dominate. My perspective of Mormonism is that it yet another Jezebel trying to raise her head up, convincing its members that the sect is the only way to Salvation. The spirit of Jezebel would be ruthless if the Mormons were allowed to have their way and take over as a state religion.
But... So would anyone else. The Catholics, Calvinists, and Lutherans hated and persecuted the Ana-Baptists relentlessly.
I too appreciate your honest insight.
Have you ever wondered how something started from a charlatan with barking mad theology could have ever have survived the first years, let alone almost two centuries? How could it become attractive to both average persons and those showing superior intelligence? How could it cause people to give up everything, move from their homes and countries, and then to sacrifice and suffer to a degree that you and I cannot imagine, and continue to go forward with increased faith? And not only survive, but become so organized and established in a way that it has the strength and power to help not only their own, but generously to others in need. How could a "mad theology" inspire people to do this?
Indeed, Joseph Smith alone could not have done this. There were powers behind the movement that all must account for, that either come from the Heavenly Source, or the unseen powers of evil. If from evil, why are its followers compelled and devoted to do good?
Your statement does not add up.
And I'm perfectly fine and not offended if you "think" that.
Just don't misrepresent us like others do, and you'll be just fine to us.
But, just an FYI.... I'm a convert to the Church, who attended many so-called orthodox churches and otherwise prior to being Mormon, and I read the Bible for myself, and saw for myself how all these religions were accurately in many cases following what the book said and omitted a lot. I then came upon the LDS Church and it was and still is the only religion that fully fits the Bible, even after leaving the church and being anti-mormon and anti-religion for a time.
I wouldn't be in the religion unless it was literally true and fit the Bible.
And given my experience, you should tell I have good objectivity and high standards. I'm not much tolerant of man-made religion.
Might I propose to you that the "reason" you think our religion is "barking mad" is because of the perversions of our religion by our enemy's? From my varied experience I actually know this to be the case as a convert and former anti-mormon myself. Anti-Mormonism is much like Fanatical Islam in comparison or Atheists in what they say of Jews, Christians or the Bible. Thus, if I were you I wouldn't "trust" what people are saying of us, since it IS that bad.
But anyway, I appreciate your good judgment at least in this event.
And it's one reason I mentioned these things to you, because if you actually knew us, you might change your mind of our religion, even if you still weren't interested in it. But take care.....
Send her a letter. Tell her how Joseph snatched Peter's keys. That just might make her bosom burn.
Further, we are not your "enemy", unless you bear false witness of us.
For to do so you make yourself an enemy of God. God is the God of Truth, Right, Goodness, Love, Charity, Honesty, etc., not those who bear falsely of others. And it's the primary reason we post here, because of all the false witness of our faith going on.
I have no problem with individuals. My assumption will be that you are a follower of the Lord until I find otherwise.
None of us gets to eternity because of the orthodoxy of our theology, but because of the love we show to one another.
A historical tour through LDS temple Angel Moroni statues | Deseret News
Hoop te do.
A cross better represents the real gospel.
This is so far from what I believe that it is pretty well total gibberish.
Poor research for a Dr. You get a D-
Look up the reason that every statue on the temples are facing east.
Rest assured, if anyone were to send me any such letter, I would not give it to my priest and ask him to protect me from it. Chances are I would say, 'How interesting; however, I disagree.'
I am over 21; I don't need to behave like a child.
Did the Lord say, 'Love thy neighbour unless he bears false witness against you?'
I am afraid your approach is lacking in charity, and bound to lead to confrontation. The trick is to continue to love, and continue to show charity, even when misrepresented.
Defending is very rarely seen as defending to the other side; it will be perceived as an attack. The only way to have true fellowship is to stop defending.
This is the narrow way.
Do you believe 1 Timothy 4:16?
"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
This is saying to preserve yourself and the doctrine..... for the sake of yourself and those that hear your preaching. It doesn't say anything about misrepresenting and attacking others beliefs, it's entirely about preserving the faith as you have it which is an inward thing, not outward.
You are right, which is why Mormons don't attack other faiths like they do thus disobeying Christ's command in Mark 9, Luke 9, & Matthew 18. We only "actually" defend the Faith. Though, to be fair while defending we sometimes compare and contrast, and that can be seen as critical, but our primary actions here is simply correcting for falsehoods said of us, as the scriptures command us to do, to defend the faith and preserve the faith once delivered. We in contrast don't "attack" other faiths, for the most part, because like you, we don't care what others choose, and we've been told by Christ to leave them alone, per the above scriptures.
It must trace back as sub topics as answers to the main post. You challenged the Temples we build as bearing the name of Christ with the photo of the statue of Moroni atop. Was that photo off topic? No! It traces back to questions or statements made.Off topic.
It must trace back as sub topics as answers to the main post. You challenged the Temples we build as bearing the name of Christ with the photo of the statue of Moroni atop. Was that photo off topic? No! It traces back to questions or statements made.
I was correct in pointing out that the criticisms against our faith, for the most part, are the results of taking one piece of our jigsaw puzzle (or one of our beliefs) and trying to discredit it by demonstrating how the piece does not fit into your puzzle scheme, or big picture. You fear placing our beliefs and doctrines together as they should go, as we try to help everyone see what our big picture is suppposed to look like. However , we are very limited in our efforts to show how the pieces fit, because only the Holy Ghost can reveal how, where and why the pieces fit, except for the pieces called faith, repentance, baptism, and receiving (by the laying on of hands) the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Those are the four corner pieces. The Holy Ghost wil show all, line upon line, after we apply the corner pieces.
Hence, all the arguements and inability for many to understand.