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What doctrines are non-negotiable?
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QueSi said:
To love God and love others are the two greatest commandments.
To properly follow those commandments requires to be freed from our sin. Apart from Christ, we will continue in sin.
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. (Romans 7:18 ESV)
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So what if you're in communion with your group. So are JWs, LDSs, and numerous other groups. So what?
The question is still what doctrine(s) are necessary to be saved, that are non-negotiable?
Are you telling us one must be EO? Those doctrines of EO are non-negotiable to salvation? If not, what possible point could you be trying to make? If so, have fun with your group.
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While I feel that I appreciate Rev. Randy's thinking about that, I have to agree with you that it doesn't seem relevant to the issue we've been discussing.
Perhaps it is relevant, however, if he means that he has no way of coming up with a firm answer. After all, most other contributors seemed to struggle with it, too.
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While I feel that I appreciate Rev. Randy's thinking about that, I have to agree with you that it doesn't seem relevant to the issue we've been discussing.
It's no more than a cop out to hide behind your bishop's skirts, regardless of how far back in time you believe they stretch. (mine go to Adam/Eve, like yours
) Or naïvety at its worse. What are the non-negotiable(s)?
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That's a question that can only truly be answered by God. When man answers it he's playing God or setting limits for God.It's no more than a cop out to hide behind your bishop's skirts, regardless of how far back in time you believe they stretch. (mine go to Adam/Eve, like yours
What are the non-negotiable(s)?
Now if you want to know what's non-negotiable to be an Orthodox, that's answerable. But that would not be setting the limits of Salvation.
Sorry, I'm not a Roman Catholic nor a Protestant. I don't feel everything needs to be written in stone When it comes to explaining the unexplainable God I serve.
You may place me firmly in the "I do not claim to know", category as it's the only truthful answer. The other answers are speculation at best. I'd rather be a cop-out than a liar when it comes to speaking for God.
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The problem is:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" Galatians 1:89
Do we need to know what Paul was talking about?
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Do we need to know? I suggest it would be very helpful but do we need to understand Paul to enter into salvation?
No, I do not believe we must own or even have read the Bible to enter into salvation. The Bible does not save. But it is very useful for those who have entered into salvation. For those who have not, it's just a book of words.
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Knowing is not necessary understanding--or rather, I should say "comprehending."
I don't fully comprehend, for instance, "I and the Father are One."
But I know that according to scripture, Christ stated it, therefore if someone teaches, "Christ and the Father are not One," I will reject that teaching.
So my question is, don't we need to identify the gospel preached by the apostles in order to reject "any other gospel?"
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We got that. There's the horizontal; you're in communion with other like-minded ones. Just like RCers are. Just like Anglicans are. Just like SDAers are. Just like JWs are. Just like the Boy Scouts are.
There's also the vertical. You don't know what you (your community) must do to be saved. No problem by me.
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The cross.
Basically, we have to agree we are all Christians because of X (the vertical), even though we might not agree with each other because of Y (the horizontal).
Either the Marian dogmas of RC are salvific or not. They think they are. If they are, then we're not just not in communion with them, but not saved; we are destined for hell. Or, if we Christians who do not submit to Rome, do not subscribe to Unam Sanctum, then we are condemned.
So, the cross is a good way to explain the Christian experience. We are all saved because of X (vertical), but we are all not in communion because of Y (horizontal). OR, we have to admit, like some EO and RC, that not being in communion with their Church (horizontal) is akin to not being saved at all (vertical).
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