The Achilles Heel of Atheism

[Dave Ellis]

According to "atheism", an "atheist" dosn't have beliefs, unless they promote a "religion". Still have a "belief"(religion)?

Actually, what you just said there is nonsensical.... there's nothing of the sort "according to atheism". All atheism is, is the position someone has when they don't have a belief that a God exists.

 

[Dave Ellis]

"Religion" is about truth. Still against it?

Which religion is about truth? Because many of them have mutually exclusive claims... they can't all be true.

 

[Ken-1122]

"Religion" is about truth. Still against it?

Religion is about believing something is the truth, even when logic and reason says otherwise.

Ken

 

[Eudaimonist]

"Religion" is about truth. Still against it?

Godless naturalism is about truth. Still against it?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Tinker Grey]

Yep, and it's pronounced KAHR-eh-vahl. How thoughtful of you!

Thanks. I like language though I am not very good at it.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

"Religion" is about truth. Still against it?

In my opinion a good reasonable god would be more upset with people of religion than people of no religion.
Historically religion has been the enemy of truth.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

In recent discussions with sincere nontheists, I have observed an underlying trend in nearly every conversation.

This trend involves the nontheist asserting for sundry reasons which they provide, that theism, specifically of the Christian stripe, is immoral.

Now, it must be stated that in general, this argument is not to prove in a direct manner that nontheism is true or that theism is false, but rather in a manner of sorts to convince the theist, specifically the Christian, that the Abrahmaic God is immoral. If God can be shown to be immoral, then it logically follows that the Christian God is not God at all, for the Christian maintains that God is omnibenevolent or all good.

The reasoning is simply that if God can be shown to be immoral from passages taken from the Holy Bible i.e. the appeal to the the doctrine of eternal punishment, and or by appealing to instances where people associated with the Church have committed immoral acts, then believing in Him and worshiping Him and propagating the gospel is also immoral and therefore the Christian is guilty of immoral acts based upon their adherence to the Christian Faith.

These arguments, according to the nontheist, justifies one in not believing that the Abrahmaic God is God at all, but merely an invention of men's minds. In other words, these arguments are used in an attempt to make a case that the position of one who maintains that this Abrahmaic God is God, and that He has revealed Himself through The Holy Bible is a position that is baseless, inconsistent, internally contradictory, and at best discrepant.

Ironically so far you have succesfully described the achilles heel of Christianity.
　

 

[Sectio Aurea]

Not to mention this weird illogical emotion known as love which is seen to compel men and women to do very stange things indeed, like sacrfice what few years of life they have by giving their time, effort, money, and sometimes even their lives, for the ones they love. This same queer emotion is said to be the impetus also for acts such as fornication, rape, and sexual pleasure. .

Errr.... fornication, rape and sexual pleasure can be successfully achieved without the impetus of the emotion of love.

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[Sectio Aurea]

First Part - Matter and Mind

The Achilles Heel here is that if the thought about matter is a part of matter, then it follows logically that it cannot possibly be a thought about all matter. Since itself is a part of matter, it cannot transcend itself to make a statement about all matter. The only way for mind composed of thoughts to make a statement about all matter is for it to be more than matter. Therefore the materialist view is self-defeating.

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What qualifies you to postulate that "The only way for mind composed of thoughts to make a statement about all matter is for it to be more than matter."

 

[Davian]

Yes,and don't you just chortle deep inside when you hear that someone is atheist but believes in ghosts or aliens???

No. I don't see why the mind's ability for self-deception cannot be evenly applied between gods, ghosts, aliens, fairies, etc.

What I do find interesting is the cognitive dissonance that appears as poster(s) here, such as with the OP of this thread, try to develop intricate rationales in an attempt to show the veracity of their beliefs.

No chortling, though.

 

[Davian]

What qualifies you to postulate that "The only way for mind composed of thoughts to make a statement about all matter is for it to be more than matter."

I would not speak for Elio, but, from what I gather, he finds the alternative... unpalatable. Nihilism, and all that.

 

[bhsmte]

In response to your opening post, I to believe the Christian story to be loaded with contradiction (some moral and some immoral) and there is really no way around that if you objectively observe our world and the holy book believers use as their core.

With that said, the fact that theism does indeed include a factor of immorality, it is just one small piece of the puzzle that leads me to believe theism is purely man made and a personal God does not exist.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

I would not speak for Elio, but, from what I gather, he finds the alternative... unpalatable. Nihilism, and all that.

There is only one thing common to all atheists, nothing else can be attributed to atheism as a whole and elio misses this point. Tainting atheists with a nihilist brush does nothing to render the abrahamic god meaningful or morally good.
Even some non theists find Nihilism unpalatable.

 

[astein]

*snippity snip

God is good.

 

[Cearbhall]

God is good.

How is that a response to someone asking how to pronounce my handle?

 

[Gadarene]

How is that a response to someone asking how to pronounce my handle?

spammers gonna spam

 

[Davian]

There is only one thing common to all atheists, nothing else can be attributed to atheism as a whole and elio misses this point. Tainting atheists with a nihilist brush does nothing to render the abrahamic god meaningful or morally good.
Even some non theists find Nihilism unpalatable.

"I am of the conviction that atheism as I use it, is in fact, the mother of existential nihilism." - Elioenai26
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[Gadarene]

"I am of the conviction that atheism as I use it, is in fact, the mother of existential nihilism." - Elioenai26
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Which is hilarious given that many atheists talk about meaning all the time, which any nihilist worth his salt would laugh at.

Sure, it may be subjective or personal meaning, but that is only of significance to objectivity-fetishists.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

Some claim to not know. Some maintain that as humans, they are unable to know how the universe began. Because of this they withold judgment on the matter and are open to various views. This is respectable.

This is the position most atheist's I know take on the subject.

Anyone claiming to "know" how the universe began is only telling lies.

 

[astein]

Anyone claiming to "know" how the universe began is only telling lies.

So "christians" are a step ahead or insulted?