No, Boy Scouts Of America: “Tolerance” Isn’t Good Enough

[IzzyPop]

I'm pretty sure there's more than just financial pressure involved in it.

I hope that a few of them were just decent people that wanted to do the right thing, but I will take coercing them into doing the right thing just fine.

 

[I Eat Pie]

I hope that a few of them were just decent people that wanted to do the right thing, but I will take coercing them into doing the right thing just fine.

I don't understand what you mean here.

 

[MagicSabbath]

The Boy Scouts of America aren't going to go broke because anti-religious radical extremist homosexuals threaten their organization!

Boy Scouts of America Press Conference - YouTube


Boy Scouts Homepage/video

 

[RDGSr]

When I was a boy in the Cub Scouts...

I have problems with people who condone homosexual rape of children.
If the scouts allow homosexuals in; the rapes of children will escalate exponentially!
As a cub scout I was raped; I know all about it.

 

[Cearbhall]

Not quite true for the Girl Scouts. They do a much better job than the Boy Scouts. The Girl Scouts manage to have products that are not readily available otherwise. So a lot of those purchasing their product have some degree of actual desire for the product.

Yeah, that's true. We sort of perpetuate a culture around our cookies. Sadly, I'm too old to sell them...

The homosexual agenda is anti-religion. They demand tolerance but do not tolerate Christian values.

There are many Christians in the LGBT+ community. I suppose you don't consider them to be Christian, but they likely don't consider you to be Christian, so there you go.

The radical anti-religion (Christophobic) heterophobic homosexuals, of course.

So I guess everyone is out to get the bisexuals, then? With some people going after them for wanting to have same-sex relationships, and others going after them for having opposite-sex relationships? Sucks to be bisexual, according to your view of the world.

 

[I Eat Pie]

What does that mean LGBT community? Just because they're homosexual, they're suddenly part of a community? Does that make me part of the "Christian community"? It doesn't....

I'd love to hear them name me at least 1/10th of the people in the LGBT "community", if it even exists.

And who exactly do you know that's a Christian in this community?

 

[Cearbhall]

Here's a smarter idea. Take government out of marriage and then marry whoever you want to each other, and don't get everyone involved in it, and start your finger pointing.

I don't like that idea, but since you do, can I assume that you'll never take advantage of your right to get a marriage license?

Apparently you're unaware of how a boycott functions.

To be fair, several mayors told them not to expand into their cities, and I thought their language went too far.

Doesn't respect what?

Christians being quiet and tolerant of homosexuals and not telling them what to do?

PAHAHAHAHA

If only those darn women would have been tolerant of the belief that they're intellectually inferior!

Yup. I swear, it feels like they bring up this homosexual marriage issue because they know we'll say no to it, and then they can point the finger at us and call us homophobes.

I have this crazy theory that maybe, just maybe, they bring it up because they want it to get legalized so that they can get married!

 

[I Eat Pie]

I do want to get married one day. If they want to get married, instead of making people for it to be legalized, where even people here in the biggest blue state don't want, they should be fighting to get government involvement out of marriage.

Or they can call it something else besides marriage. What are they doing it for? benefits? Marriage is a union made to have kids and raise a family.

 

[Cearbhall]

What does that mean LGBT community?

Here's a helpful link.

They want transsexual Scouts, bisexual Scouts!

What? Heterosexual and homosexual youth are now allowed, so of course bisexual youth are allowed. As for transgender individuals, Girl Scouts already allows male-to-female youth and our organization hasn't fallen into a fiery pit of doom, so pardon me if I'm not worried.

Also, taking government out of marriage doesn't change scripture. And it wouldn't change radical gay religious bigots agenda when they seek to destroy religions and the religious who adhere to Biblical tenets that state marriage is between a man and a woman, and that homosexual sex is a sin.

So you're against the Constitution? You know, that whole sticky separation-of-church-and-state thing? You wouldn't have a problem with radical Muslims advocating for Sharia law in the US?

If you want to put God before it, that's your decision, but then I have to wonder why conservatives are so gung ho about the Constitution.

Gay's have always been in the Scouts.

And the funniest part is that no one knows that better than former Boy Scouts.

 

[IzzyPop]

Or they can call it something else besides marriage. What are they doing it for? benefits? Marriage is a union made to have kids and raise a family.

I forget. How many years do newlyweds have to start popping out kids before the marriage is automatically voided?

 

[I Eat Pie]

Not every couple has kids, but marriage is meant to have kids and raise a family. And family is the backbone of society. Why would you want to degrade it for your own personal gains?

 

[Cearbhall]

Sexuality never was an issue in the Scouts before. They're the Scouts! Not a sex club! Their focus isn't exploring sensuality! However, now Sexuality is the topic and it is suppose to precede all else.

The Boy Scouts made sexuality an issue when they said that youth who are openly homosexual couldn't join, and homosexuality doesn't "explore sensuality" any more than heterosexuality does.

I forget. How many years do newlyweds have to start popping out kids before the marriage is automatically voided?

Going by the way some family and friends talk, you'd think it was 12 hours after the end of the honeymoon.

It's not about the legality. It's the preferred tax status and ability to get employee benefits - basic economics.

But, I'm tired of the fight, so I resigned from Scouting, as will the majority, as happened in Canada and in the US with Girl Scouts.

Ah, yes. That sad day when we Girl Scouts lost the majority of our members. We had 3.32 million members in 1995, and now we only have 3.17 million!

 

[IzzyPop]

Not every couple has kids, but marriage is meant to have kids and raise a family.

Then why do we allow infertile people to get married?

And family is the backbone of society.

The individual is the backbone of society.

Why would you want to degrade it for your own personal gains?

You can define your marriage however you want to. What gives you the right to define what it means for every couple?

 

[I Eat Pie]

I agree. Infertile people shouldn't be getting married. And what does that mean "the individual?" Do individuals create babies and help society from going extinct? And what gives you the right to expand the definition to whomever it pleases you to? Can I expand the definition of a human to an unborn baby fetus and force the government to ban abortions?

 

[Cearbhall]

When I was a boy in the Cub Scouts...

I have problems with people who condone homosexual rape of children.
If the scouts allow homosexuals in; the rapes of children will escalate exponentially!
As a cub scout I was raped; I know all about it.

I am very sorry that this happened to you. I hope you have received the support that you need. Rest assured that no one is condoning rape and that homosexuality is not pedophilia.

 

[IzzyPop]

I agree. Infertile people shouldn't be getting married.

Shouldn't and can't are not even close to the same thing.

And what does that mean "the individual?" Do individuals create babies and help society from going extinct?

I mean people. Persons, not families, are the backbone of societies. Frankly, stating families are the backbone is a bit insulting to single folks. And yes, individuals have babies.

And what gives you the right to expand the definition to whomever it pleases you to?

A cogent legal argument. The main issue is that from a legal standpoint a marriage is nothing more or less than a contract signed by two individuals. The government has no reason to look to the sex of the signatories of a contract to determine if said contract is valid. In fact, doing so would violate current law.

Now, if you can come up with a good argument as to why same sex marriage should remain illegal, take your best shot.

Can I expand the definition of a human to an unborn baby fetus and force the government to ban abortions?

Sure you can. Good luck with that, though. By establishing fetal personhood (which is what I assume you are trying to say, since by definition human fetuses are already human) you are thereby stripping that same personhood from the woman housing the fetus.

 

[Cearbhall]

Can they make a new version of the scouts where they actually make up their own rules?

Yes. There are already plenty of other scouting organizations. I believe American Heritage Girls is the most popular conservative Christian alternative for those people who don't want to support Girl Scouts.

They're not victims here. they just want to dictate everything. It's like a communist revolution. What's the first thing the communists did when they took over Russia? They attacked the church.

I did some quick Googling to see if this can be considered Godwin's law, and the answer seems to be yes.

Technically you are supporting something if you give them your money.
Considering that the products I bought from the Scouts were more expensive than the same product in the store, I do think that the money that I was giving was a donation.

Yep. It's like when an organization sells roses in the back of church on Mother's Day. You can argue that a purchase is not a donation, but just because you get something in return doesn't mean you aren't supporting them. Hence why it's important to do research on the companies from which you buy.

 

[I Eat Pie]

It's pointless. You guys don't believe in traditional marriage. It's called moral decline, and it's happening right now. Our society will be doomed if it keeps going like this.

 

[Cearbhall]

What does that mean LGBT community? Just because they're homosexual, they're suddenly part of a community? Does that make me part of the "Christian community"? It doesn't....

It's just a term. It's not like we all know each other. We're not quite that awesome...

I'd love to hear them name me at least 1/10th of the people in the LGBT "community", if it even exists.

I'll just go take a look at our registry...

And who exactly do you know that's a Christian in this community?

Well I'm not exactly going to tell you my friends' names without their permission, am I? At least a handful of my LGBT friends are Christian.

 

[I Eat Pie]

Right. Christians who are gay. Homosexuality is against the Bible. What kind of Christians are these? What do they think of what God says about homosexuality?