Abortion:(

[Coire]

my aunt was on the internet the other day googling pregnancy stuff. she came across this link and it was a movie of an abortion. im not sure whare it is on the net but she was telling me about it.
on the screen was a 8 week old (i think) little baby in the womb. it had arms and legs that were clearly visible.
anyway, the doctors used a large needle and poked it into the little baby. its arms and legs started moving in pain and it looked like it was crying or something. they just kept stabbing it!! and then it died.
i write this because its been bugging me. and just hearing about it i can sort of imagine wat it looked like on the screen. and it makes me want to cry.
the babies in there growing and has full faith in the mother to supply nutrients and protect it, and the mother goes and lets it go thru that
i mean y isn't it considered murder? its a human being! it has a heart beat, a soul and life.
if anybodies reading this that has had an abortion, i don't mean to oen wounds or anything, its just been bugging me and id like to hear wat others hav to say about this

 

[Cactus Jack]

It's sick and cruel.

If you find a fossil on a meteorite, it's proof of life. If you find the mere DNA "building blocks" on a sample from Mars, it's proof of life. Yet somehow a fetus isn't?

 

[Coire]

It's sick and cruel.

If you find a fossil on a meteorite, it's proof of life. If you find the mere DNA "building blocks" on a sample from Mars, it's proof of life. Yet somehow a fetus isn't?

exactly, thats wat bugs me so much

 

[Slaol121]

In my opinion, the issue is not making people see that abortion kills human beings - the issue is that society is totally fine with killing unwanted human beings when they say that a woman's choice is more important than protecting the life of the innocent.

All physicians agree that abortion kills a living human being. Talk to any OBGYN doctor that does abortions and they will tell you that they know they are killing babies.

 

[Logeth]

I think that the name of the movie is "Silent scream". It was really overwhelming, I cried so hard when the baby screamed!

 

[Coire]

I think that the name of the movie is "Silent scream". It was really overwhelming, I cried so hard when the baby screamed!

i almost cried (and it takes a lot for me to cry) just hearing about it. it made me so sad just imagining it

 

[mandyangel]

so called "pro-CHOICERS" should be required to watch that and if you still dont believe its murder, then something else is wrong. even watching the vids of a doctor demonstration of how abortion is done is enough to make me vomit my dinner up and make me shake. Society is judged by how we treat the weakest among us and who could be more weak than the unborn child? I cant even debate the issue because it just makes me so mad.

 

[Coire]

so called "pro-CHOICERS" should be required to watch that and if you still dont believe its murder, then something else is wrong. even watching the vids of a doctor demonstration of how abortion is done is enough to make me vomit my dinner up and make me shake. Society is judged by how we treat the weakest among us and who could be more weak than the unborn child? I cant even debate the issue because it just makes me so mad.

it also makes me mad how people treat the elderly today. i was watching the news the other day and a story came up about how an elderly person in a nursing home in america was having a heart attack and was unconscious. the nurce rang for an ambulance and the 911 operator was saying telling her to do cpr on her. but the nurse refused because it was "against protocol" for her to do cpr. the elderly person hadn't "paid for it" before hand:/ the elderly person had paid for individual living...so the home wouldn't allow the nurse to do cpr so the elderly woman died.
how stupids that?? society has no respect for life

 

[Logeth]

I don't think that pro-choicers will change their opinion after seeing the movie. They will always find an explanation to prove their point. The thing is that we live in a world of extreme tolerance and they really think that women have the right to choose because it is their body. They don't really listen to other arguments because they think that they would violate women's rights and go against tolerance . Not everyone, but many think like this.

 

[ValleyGal]

One of the things I find just as disturbing is that men have no choice. The baby is just as much his as it is hers, and if he steps up and says he will be 100% responsible after baby is born, she still has the "right" to abort. But baby is half his...

All around, abortion breaks my heart, and the women who have them usually end up regretting it and feeling guilty all their lives for it - even those who are pro-choice. The real kicker is that those who choose not to abort do not have any regrets even if they end up giving baby up for adoption.

 

[Clare73]

my aunt was on the internet the other day googling pregnancy stuff. she came across this link and it was a movie of an abortion. im not sure whare it is on the net but she was telling me about it.
on the screen was a 8 week old (i think) little baby in the womb. it had arms and legs that were clearly visible.
anyway, the doctors used a large needle and poked it into the little baby. its arms and legs started moving in pain and it looked like it was crying or something. they just kept stabbing it!! and then it died.
i write this because its been bugging me. and just hearing about it i can sort of imagine wat it looked like on the screen. and it makes me want to cry.
the babies in there growing and has full faith in the mother to supply nutrients and protect it, and the mother goes and lets it go thru that
i mean y isn't it considered murder? its a human being! it has a heart beat, a soul and life.
if anybodies reading this that has had an abortion, i don't mean to oen wounds or anything, its just been bugging me and id like to hear wat others hav to say about this

There is no such thing as social justice, either Biblically or in our legal system.

There is only justice in both.

 

[Purple Hyacinth]

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[ValleyGal]

There is no such thing as social justice, either Biblically or in our legal system.

There is only justice in both.

Hmm. I beg to differ. Women have the right to vote and get a college education. That is social justice. Protecting children from abusive parents. That is social justice. Providing at least a minimum of shelter, food and medical for those who are disabled. That is social justice, etc. Then again, I am a social worker, so I'm biased.

 

[Clare73]

Hmm. I beg to differ. Women have the right to vote and get a college education. That is social justice. Protecting children from abusive parents. That is social justice. Providing at least a minimum of shelter, food and medical for those who are disabled. That is social justice, etc. Then again, I am a social worker, so I'm biased.

Justice is what is equitable. . .it's all one justice. . .everywhere. . .morally, legally, penally, contractually, individual rights. . .it's all governed by what our laws have defined as equitable. . .justice is simply what is equitable. . .in every thing.

Just as there is no difference in the meaning of personal morality, social morality, work morality, business moraltity, medical morality, etc. . .it's all one morality. . .so there is no difference in the meaning of justice. . .it's all one justice.

"Social" justice indicates a separate justice for the social order, with overtones of a higher morality than all other justice, and suggesting a higher obligation to it than all other justice.

It's all the same justice--Biblically, and in our legal system. . .what is equitable, according to the law.

 

[ValleyGal]

"Social" justice indicates a separate justice for the social order, with overtones of a higher morality than all other justice, and suggesting a higher obligation to it than all other justice.

There is a separate justice for social order. Think about it. Rich people have the resources to pay for teams of counsel when the homeless person has no resources to pay for anything and would likely plead guilty simply to have shelter and food in prison. There is no justice for that. There is no justice for the subsistence of people collecting disability welfare and not being able to afford personal care, when people with money can afford their own personal attendant. There is no social justice for (in Canada) some of our Aboriginal people who supposedly have access to numerous services, but have to leave the reserves in order to access it, and have no car to leave the reserves. There is no justice for the working poor who are forced to pay for their own childcare costs when their own income is not much higher than the cost of child care.

So yes, there is a lot of social injustice. It is a type of "justice" (meaning that which is equitable). We specify social justice from legal justice and other forms of justice because we are talking about social equity and no other forms of justice. There is nothing wrong with specifying the type of justice.

 

[Clare73]

There is a separate justice for social order. Think about it. Rich people have the resources to pay for teams of counsel when the homeless person has no resources to pay for anything and would likely plead guilty simply to have shelter and food in prison.

Justice does not mean everyone is due the same things.

It means everyone receives what he is due.

Just being alive does not mean everyone is due the same things.

Poverty in itself is not an injustice.
Nor is wealth.

That is not a Biblical notion of justice.

 

[ValleyGal]

Doesn't the US have a Bill of Rights and Freedoms? All people should be treated equally. That does not mean everyone is due the same material things, but everyone is due what they are entitled to in your charter. Jesus came to save the lost. He healed the sick, he gave to the poor, and he provided for those who were hungry. He told the rich to give away all they had and follow him. In the early church, Stephen and the seven were appointed to make sure the widows and fatherless children were cared for. Put it all together, and to me, you have people who love Jesus advocating for the underdog and providing for people who were sick, disabled, fatherless, widowed, and otherwise in need.

I never said poverty or wealth is an injustice; limiting their access to resources to help them is an injustice. The Bible does say we are our brother's keepers. We need to obey and honour God by losing everything for his sake. After all, it is the least of us who will be greatest in heaven. And in the context of this thread, those little unborn babies will be greatest because they do not have a voice on earth.

 

[Clare73]

Doesn't the US have a Bill of Rights and Freedoms? All people should be treated equally. That does not mean everyone is due the same material things, but everyone is due what they are entitled to in your charter. Jesus came to save the lost. He healed the sick, he gave to the poor, and he provided for those who were hungry. He told the rich to give away all they had and follow him. In the early church, Stephen and the seven were appointed to make sure the widows and fatherless children were cared for. Put it all together, and to me, you have people who love Jesus advocating for the underdog and providing for people who were sick, disabled, fatherless, widowed, and otherwise in need.

I never said poverty or wealth is an injustice; limiting their access to resources to help them is an injustice.

It is not an injustice unless they have been given a right to these resources.

To what resources are they being limited and to which our laws give them a right?

 

[ValleyGal]

None of the laws limit their right, and they are given resources. Policies and not meeting people where they are at limits their access, and when they speak up about it, their opinion does not count. Systemic discrimination is a social injustice.

 

[Clare73]

None of the laws limit their right, and they are given resources. Policies and not meeting people where they are at limits their access, and when they speak up about it, their opinion does not count. Systemic discrimination is a social injustice.

How well do you understand the limits of our Constitutional government?

You don't think the notion of "not meeting people where they are at" is somewhat open-ended?

And who decides where "meeting them where they are at" has been satisfied and has not?

There could be never-ending parameters on that standard.

This is not a Biblical notion of justice.

So back to reality.
Is there a violation of our law in not "meeting people where they are at"?

And in our consitutional system, we "speak out" in the voting booth.

That's as good as it gets on earth.