Kingdom Now

[Yahu]

I don't know if 'Kingdom Now' is a common doctrine among Calvinists or a primarily Presbyterian doctrine or a subset thereof.

I ran up against this doctrine as an excuse by the Presbyterian pastor's daughter to justify vicious gossip attacks against me. When she explained it was the job of any righteous Christian to attack any of the unrighteous to force them to righteousness to bring about the kingdom of God on earth I laughed in her face.

I had never heard such a demonic doctrine in my life. She was using tactics of the pit of hell to usurp authority over others and bring punishment to those not under her authority. I had been in conflict against a coven of witches a few years before. Her tactics were nearly identical to those of the coven. I had to explain how that was the root of witchcraft and how she was following doctrines of the 'mother goddess' to punish all the bad boys and girls.

Fortunately she repented of her actions and then rejected the doctrine she had been raised under. She even left her own father's church to attend a Church of God to get away from the evil being pushed in her father's church.

She repented of being a Jezebel and following her doctrines and practices. Her mother had trained her in how she was to manipulate and control a husband as well. After confronting her mother, that pastor's wife repented of being a Jezebel before the congregation. The congregation rejected 'Kingdom Now' and went into revival. The entire congregation was then cast from the parent denomination.

Is 'Kingdom Now' a common Calvinist doctrine or is it limited to just some branch of the Presbyterian denomination?

 

[bsd058]

I don't know if 'Kingdom Now' is a common doctrine among Calvinists or a primarily Presbyterian doctrine or a subset thereof.

I ran up against this doctrine as an excuse by the Presbyterian pastor's daughter to justify vicious gossip attacks against me. When she explained it was the job of any righteous Christian to attack any of the unrighteous to force them to righteousness to bring about the kingdom of God on earth I laughed in her face.

I had never heard such a demonic doctrine in my life. She was using tactics of the pit of hell to usurp authority over others and bring punishment to those not under her authority. I had been in conflict against a coven of witches a few years before. Her tactics were nearly identical to those of the coven. I had to explain how that was the root of witchcraft and how she was following doctrines of the 'mother goddess' to punish all the bad boys and girls.

Fortunately she repented of her actions and then rejected the doctrine she had been raised under. She even left her own father's church to attend a Church of God to get away from the evil being pushed in her father's church.

She repented of being a Jezebel and following her doctrines and practices. Her mother had trained her in how she was to manipulate and control a husband as well. After confronting her mother, that pastor's wife repented of being a Jezebel before the congregation. The congregation rejected 'Kingdom Now' and went into revival. The entire congregation was then cast from the parent denomination.

Is 'Kingdom Now' a common Calvinist doctrine or is it limited to just some branch of the Presbyterian denomination?

As far as I knew I thought this specific "Kingdom Now" theology developed from Pentecostal circles. It's counterpart in Reformed theology is Reconstructionism which as far as I know is more about theonomy. Both are based upon the idea of a Postmillenial view of eschatology, but the reformed doctrines are opposed to the pentencostal doctrines. But much of the Reformed church is now either Amillenial or Pre-Millenial in their eschatology, as far as I know.

I know it's not a great source for all knowledge, but see here: Dominion Theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not a long article explaining this theology, but the church you describe sounds nothing like a presbyterian church. It sounds Pentecostal or charismatic. They might call themselves presbyterian, but it sounds strange to me.

I grew up Pentecostal and that's what they sound like (aside from the postmillenial understanding of eschatology). But it could have been a rogue congregation which was kicked out. It's entirely possible. Do they have a website?

 

[Yahu]

As far as I knew I thought this specific "Kingdom Now" theology developed from Pentecostal circles. It's counterpart in Reformed theology is Reconstructionism which as far as I know is more about theonomy. Both are based upon the idea of a Postmillenial view of eschatology, but the reformed doctrines are opposed to the pentencostal doctrines. But much of the Reformed church is now either Amillenial or Pre-Millenial in their eschatology, as far as I know.

I know it's not a great source for all knowledge, but see here: Dominion Theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not a long article explaining this theology, but the church you describe sounds nothing like a presbyterian church. It sounds Pentecostal or charismatic. They might call themselves presbyterian, but it sounds strange to me.

I grew up Pentecostal and that's what they sound like (aside from the postmillenial understanding of eschatology). But it could have been a rogue congregation which was kicked out. It's entirely possible. Do they have a website?

It was definitely a Presbyterian church but as I understand it there are more then 1 type of Presbyterian.

Yes, they took the preterist view of Revelation that it was already fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Do they have a website? This occurred back in the early 1990s. I don't have a clue what specific church it was. I never attended it but encountered the pastor's daughter at her college I was visiting. All I know is that she was a Prebyterian pastor's daughter attending Kennesaw State while I was attending a nearby engineering college.

 

[bsd058]

It was definitely a Presbyterian church but as I understand it there are more then 1 type of Presbyterian.

Yes, they took the preterist view of Revelation that it was already fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Do they have a website? This occurred back in the early 1990s. I don't have a clue what specific church it was. I never attended it but encountered the pastor's daughter at her college I was visiting. All I know is that she was a Prebyterian pastor's daughter attending Kennesaw State while I was attending a nearby engineering college.

Okay, well I woudn't say it's exclusively presbyterian. Kingdom Now has it's roots in charismatic theology. Though, reconstructionism has it's roots in reformed theology, IMO.

Though to answer your question straight forward, I wouldn't say it's purely a reformed perspective. In fact, theonomy might be more reformed. Kingdom Now is more of a branch of charismatic theology.

Both are derived from a post-millenial eschatology, but I think one is a little more balanced and biblical.

Honestly, I just think these people sound like they were living in an ungodly way. No reconstructionist would ever advocate the use of sin to bring about the Kingdom of God. And almost no Kingdom Nowist would advocate that (to be fair to most of them). But you always have these fringe groups in denominations that are not "all there," if you know what I mean.

In saying all of this, calvinism probably doesn't lead to Kingdom Now theology. Though, it may lead to Reconstructionism. But not all Calvinists are reconstructionists, either.

Will a consistent Calvinist adhere to reconstructionism? That's something I would have to look into further. I tend to lean more towards the answer, "No." But I can't be sure until I look into them a little deeper.

I personally am an Amillenialist. I don't think God's kingdom will come to earth by God's people implementing God's laws. I believe His kingdom is in the hearts of believers. That we have already come to the New Jerusalem. Though I do think God's laws should be implemented in a godly nation (which might make me somewhat of a theonomist), I also recognize that God's kingdom is here in our (Christians who recognize Jesus' Lordship) hearts until Christ comes again.

 

[Yahu]

Okay, well I woudn't say it's exclusively presbyterian. Kingdom Now has it's roots in charismatic theology. Though, reconstructionism has it's roots in reformed theology, IMO.

Though to answer your question straight forward, I wouldn't say it's purely a reformed perspective. In fact, theonomy might be more reformed. Kingdom Now is more of a branch of charismatic theology.

Both are derived from a post-millenial eschatology, but I think one is a little more balanced and biblical.

Honestly, I just think these people sound like they were living in an ungodly way. No reconstructionist would ever advocate the use of sin to bring about the Kingdom of God. And almost no Kingdom Nowist would advocate that (to be fair to most of them). But you always have these fringe groups in denominations that are not "all there," if you know what I mean.

In saying all of this, calvinism probably doesn't lead to Kingdom Now theology. Though, it may lead to Reconstructionism. But not all Calvinists are reconstructionists, either.

Will a consistent Calvinist adhere to reconstructionism? That's something I would have to look into further. I tend to lean more towards the answer, "No." But I can't be sure until I look into them a little deeper.

I personally am an Amillenialist. I don't think God's kingdom will come to earth by God's people implementing God's laws. I believe His kingdom is in the hearts of believers. That we have already come to the New Jerusalem. Though I do think God's laws should be implemented in a godly nation (which might make me somewhat of a theonomist), I also recognize that God's kingdom is here in our (Christians who recognize Jesus' Lordship) hearts until Christ comes again.

Sorry there is no standard 'charismatic' theology. Most charismatics came out of other denominations and carried there baggage with them after getting the baptism of the Spirit. Some Calvinist, some Armenian or others like me are Morrowists. You will see a wide range of theology in the charismatic movement as a result. My own family came out of the Phymouth Brethren denomination before joining an independent spirit filled congregation which came out of another denomination when the pastor was booted for getting the baptism of the Spirit and teaching on them. That charismatic church was made up of many from all kinds of different backgrounds. Kindom now theology wasn't ever even presented. I had never heard of it until my late 20s.

I guess what I came across was just a severe form of the doctrine that may have been a pet doctrine of the local pastor. I don't know.

All I do know is that prophetic word in my sig given to that pastor's daughter brought major change in her and her entire home church. She repented on the spot while another girl that witnessed it got saved as a result. The girl that got saved had been one of her other targets for slander and gossip.

 

[bsd058]

Sorry there is no standard 'charismatic' theology. Most charismatics came out of other denominations and carried there baggage with them after getting the baptism of the Spirit. Some Calvinist, some Armenian or others like me are Morrowists. You will see a wide range of theology in the charismatic movement as a result. My own family came out of the Phymouth Brethren denomination before joining an independent spirit filled congregation which came out of another denomination when the pastor was booted for getting the baptism of the Spirit and teaching on them. That charismatic church was made up of many from all kinds of different backgrounds. Kindom now theology wasn't ever even presented. I had never heard of it until my late 20s.

I guess what I came across was just a severe form of the doctrine that may have been a pet doctrine of the local pastor. I don't know.

All I do know is that prophetic word in my sig given to that pastor's daughter brought major change in her and her entire home church. She repented on the spot while another girl that witnessed it got saved as a result. The girl that got saved had been one of her other targets for slander and gossip.

There is a charismatic theology. It's not a standard theology per se, just like there is no standard theology in any church. Even Roman Catholicism has their sects. But it's there and Kingdom Now definitely comes from it.

And I grew up Pentecostal so I know what you mean by 'no standard theology.' Perhaps not official teaching, but it's in their underlying mindset. And Kingdom Now probably comes from it. Doesn't mean that if you are charismatic that you must adhere to it. It just means that's the history of it.

Though reconstructionism is a similar theology. It's a little more tame.

It's possible it was a severe form of Reconstructionism or Kingdom Now. Some people just take a theology and take off with it and never look at anything else the Bible has to say. Such people are unbalanced.