Verse format ESV?

[CredoBiblicist]

Is it possible to actually buy an ESV that is verse format and double column? All the ESV's I've looked at are paragraph format and the only verse format I found was single column. Would be nice if Crossway published verse format double column to at least give a choice.

 

[ebia]

Is it possible to actually buy an ESV that is verse format and double column? All the ESV's I've looked at are paragraph format and the only verse format I found was single column. Would be nice if Crossway published verse format double column to at least give a choice.

The more formats the higher the price as volume for each diminishes. Why on earth would anyone want text in verse format?

 

[CredoBiblicist]

The more formats the higher the price as volume for each diminishes. Why on earth would anyone want text in verse format?

Most other versions offer verse format. When studying or preaching, paragraph format is very inconvenient.

 

[ebia]

Most other versions offer verse format. When studying or preaching, paragraph format is very inconvenient.

If it is, then there is something wrong with the preaching or studying. The versions are a recently added indexing system, nothing more. Printing is as though they are part of the structure of the text distorts the text with a non-canonical overlaynn

 

[CredoBiblicist]

If it is, then there is something wrong with the preaching or studying. The versions are a recently added indexing system, nothing more. Printing is as though they are part of the structure of the text distorts the text with a non-canonical overlaynn

Not sure what you mean. Nearly all KJV's are printed in verse format, the ESV says it's in the same line as the KJV so I'd just like an ESV that's in verse format too.

 

[ebia]

Not sure what you mean. Nearly all KJV's are printed in verse format, the ESV says it's in the same line as the KJV so I'd just like an ESV that's in verse format too.

Verses are not part of the structure of the original. They are an indexing overlay invented much later to make a convenient way of finding particular places in the text. There is nothing divinely inspired about how the books are broken up into chapters and verses, and therefore it is distorting to read it that way.

The chapter divisions we use are basically those invented by Archbishop Langdon in the 13th century, and verse divisions from the 16th century.

 

[CredoBiblicist]

Verses are not part of the structure of the original. They are an indexing overlay invented much later to make a convenient way of finding particular places in the text. There is nothing divinely inspired about how the books are broken up into chapters and verses, and therefore it is distorting to read it that way.

The original Greek didn't even have punctuation, just a straight block of text with no spaces. So you'd prefer no chapters and verses? The chapters and verses are still there in the paragraph format too. The only difference between that and verse format being the way it is presented. I find paragraph format awkward to use when I want to find a specific verse and I have to find it in the middle of a paragraph. And in reference Bibles it can be especially confusing when numbers to indicate alternative translations are in the paragraphs too. Just a personal preference, from experience of both formats.

 

[ebia]

The original Greek didn't even have punctuation, just a straight block of text with no spaces.

Absolutely true - and the original Hebrew no vowel sounds. However each of those is an essential part of our written language. Translation is inherently imperfect and that's one of many compromises one has to be aware of and accept as such.

So you'd prefer no chapters and verses? The chapters and verses are still there in the paragraph format too. The only difference between that and verse format being the way it is presented. I find paragraph format awkward to use when I want to find a specific verse and I have to find it in the middle of a paragraph. And in reference Bibles it can be especially confusing when numbers to indicate alternative translations are in the paragraphs too. Just a personal preference, from experience of both formats.

Presentation matters, it affects the way we read the text.

 

[SilentShadow100]

Verses are not part of the structure of the original. They are an indexing overlay invented much later to make a convenient way of finding particular places in the text. There is nothing divinely inspired about how the books are broken up into chapters and verses, and therefore it is distorting to read it that way.

The chapter divisions we use are basically those invented by Archbishop Langdon in the 13th century, and verse divisions from the 16th century.

Verses are just a commonly agreed upon method for finding scripture fast, and being able to tell people exactly where it says something. In paragraph format, it takes longer to find a specific verse, but in verse format, each verse begins on a new line so you only have to look at the left column for the number instead of searching through walls of text.

 

[ebia]

Verses are just a commonly agreed upon method for finding scripture fast, and being able to tell people exactly where it says something. In paragraph format, it takes longer to find a specific verse, but in verse format, each verse begins on a new line so you only have to look at the left column for the number instead of searching through walls of text.

That would be okay if that's all it did. But verse format will, without you realising it, distort the way you perceive the text. By separating each verse in that way you change the way the thought flows because you change the way your brain processes the text.

 

[Keachian]

Not sure what you mean. Nearly all KJV's are printed in verse format, the ESV says it's in the same line as the KJV so I'd just like an ESV that's in verse format too.

Same line translation paradigm wise, this line has the RV, ASV and RSV as well, in fact the ESV is a translation with specific reference to the RSV as a guide for its translation, the RSV.

Oh and by the by I own a KJV that is chapter per line format, it's rather blegh I should probably look to see if the Cambridge Paragraph is better in regards to that, not that I use my KJV that much.

EDIT: And just to point out my main study Bible is a Single Column Legacy ESV, it is absolutely beautiful with little guff in terms of headings in the text and no noticeable ghosting, my main complaint about it is that I'd prefer more discreet verse markers and footnote markers, but they are differentiable by the footnote markers being italicised and not boldfaced, I would also use it for preaching but I'm not doing that yet and would probably use my tablet anyway.

 

[ebia]

Oh and by the by I own a KJV that is chapter per line format,

Must have very wide pages ;-)