Does anyone have experience with AMiA? My rector is attending their conference right now. It seems to be aligned with the African churches on the conservative side. How do they fit in with TEC, ACNA, etc? Are they a recognized unit within the Anglican Communion?
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Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMiA)
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AMiA was started by the Anglican Province of Rwanda as a missionary work in the USA. Recently, it split into several parts with the larger part joining ACNA and a smaller part continuing as a missionary work of Rwanda. This part is familiarly known as PEARUSA (in case you look up the website. The initials are from the French + USA). PEARUSA has no connection to TEC.
No, but their bishops are seated in the Rwandan church's House of Bishops, as I recall, and the Rwandan church is a province in the Anglican Communion, so the claim is sometimes heard that a missionary work of a member Province is, by definition, a part of the Anglican Communion. ACNA would NOT be that, by comparison, because it is a jurisdiction on its own, not an extension of any other church.
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In the view of the Anglican Communion, it is a uncanonical intrusion of one province in another's jurisdiction, which is in violation of the Windsor Report and ancient tradition of the Christian Church. It has no recognition within the Anglican Communion.
In the view of those provinces that are in violation (and obviously for AMiA itself), they see themselves as attempting to "reevangelize" the West.
AMiA is currently going (went?) through a schism, as some joined/joining ACNA while others remaining with the actual AMiA body.
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Very interesting, thanks for the answers. My rector has a strong background in church planting, so if they are really mission-focused he's a good resource.
Seems Curch of England is more fluid about these distinctions, or at least part of it. Holy Trinity Brompton planted a church in Virginia as a non-denominational, not TEC. My rector trained at HTB, as did our new Archbishop.
Seems Curch of England is more fluid about these distinctions, or at least part of it. Holy Trinity Brompton planted a church in Virginia as a non-denominational, not TEC. My rector trained at HTB, as did our new Archbishop.
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That's unfortunate. Instead of promoting Anglicanism, they are promoting Protestantism.
They could have easily gotten permission from TEC to work with them to plant a new church. Such a venture would not have been a violation of any canonical law and would have been quite worthwhile. A great pity the opportunity was lost.
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Holy Trinity Brompton,a large charismatic church. Its alpha program is used by churches throughout the world.
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The honest truth is that HTB-style charismatic evangelicalism would not only be unwelcome in TEC, but they would even be hostile to it.
Many Christian leaders from around the world come to share and worship with HTB and its sister churches - including mine - but I have never seen a TEC person come. Even RC priests have come through HTB. So it needs to go both ways.
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Interesting, is this position becoming more common among Christian churches? Do you see such a paradigm shift within Anglicanism or other branches of Christianity besides this isolated case?
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It's somewhere in the middle of those possibilities IMO.
Hundreds of parishes in the USA are now affiliated with overseas Anglican provinces that are members of the Anglican Communion. But although the bishops in those overseas provinces talk about the religious decline of the liberal West and the idea of re-evangelism, it's only TEC's decision to go ahead with homosexual bishops and same-sex blessings that has led to the actual establishment of missions here by Nigeria, Rwanda, Uganda, Bolivia, and a few others--not other issues. And, most of the time, they aren't really being planted by missionaries from Africa or Latin America so much as they have been authorized by those provinces after they've been planted by Americans themselves or switched from TEC.
Considering all of that, I wouldn't call it a paradigm shift of anything, although it's of some significance. That said, there are probably as many evaluations of this turn of events as there are observers.
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Re-evangelizing the west has been a major mission of the RCC for decades, certainly for the last 30 years.
Given that lapsed Christians (Christians who now longer go to church) are the largest religious category in the US (and in many other countries), this emphasis makes sense to me.
QUOTE=Zoness;62347599]Interesting, is this position becoming more common among Christian churches? Do you see such a paradigm shift within Anglicanism or other branches of Christianity besides this isolated case?[/QUOTE]
Given that lapsed Christians (Christians who now longer go to church) are the largest religious category in the US (and in many other countries), this emphasis makes sense to me.
QUOTE=Zoness;62347599]Interesting, is this position becoming more common among Christian churches? Do you see such a paradigm shift within Anglicanism or other branches of Christianity besides this isolated case?[/QUOTE]
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It depends what you mean by "conservative" - many of the African bishops are strongly in favour of the Millenium Development Goals and general international development.
They aren't speaking to TEC, they have an imperfect relationship with ACNA but they are on speaking terms. AMiA are in communion with many of the African Anglicans and get an awful lot of support from them. Neither AMiA nor ACNA have been officially recognised by the English but there has been moves towards it.
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...and all, or almost all, of them have women priests. However, they are conservative when compared to the churches of the northern hemisphere, being opposed to political correctness and an equivocal witness.
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Truly, it doesn't matter, at least in Anglicanism in the unfortunate way in which it is being manifest. Any sort of unsanctioned encroachment by one diocese in another or one province in another is non-canonical and a violation of the canons, the Windsor Report...and is against the ancient polity.
There are better ways to remind the West of its history. The reemphasis on education on liturgy alone would cure a lot of issues.
From what I've heard just yesterday, Archbishop Welby announced he is not going to recognize any jurisdiction in the United States except TEC.
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It may not be the best, but there has to be some word to describe the difference, and there is a difference. Conservative is more widely used than, say, traditional, although neither is perfect, and I don't know what other one would work better.
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By "conservative" I don't mean the American version of the word
In CofE even the most "conservative" parishes promote social justice and poverty reduction, which differs significantly for me as an American expat and my understanding of the term. I'm talking about the role of women and the same-sex issue.
Within the CofE "charismatic evangelical" movement, of which my parish is a part, there is no dialogue with TEC at all. I cannot think of two groups with less in common to be honest. I think the heart of the matter is that TEC does not have evangelism as a priority, which makes it bump heads with other parts of the AC that are willing to experiment with different things in order to bring more people to Christ. I think there's great merit in both - and absolutely loved the TEC service I attended last time I was visiting my family in the States - but honestly you are not going to bring many new people through the doors with what's on offer - hard-core liturgy that's confusing to a newcomer and a stance on issues that doesn't differ much from a local liberal political group or a Unitarian Universalist church - neither of which require kneeling or reciting creeds!
At the same time however, the charismatic evangelicals in CofE are not very conservative - total support of women bishops and simply doesn't touch the gay issue on a congregational level - although I would imagine that in small groups/accountability partnerships people are having more private conversations on the Anglican position regarding those types of relationships. So I was wondering if my rector was getting involved with more right-wing groups or not.
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Says who that TEC doesn't consider evangelism a priority?!
Anglicanism is the liturgy. If your quibble is truly a concern of charismatic evangelicals, that's a travesty that they point fingers at specks when they have a log of their own.
1. Conservative, liberal...these terms are nearly meaningless within Anglicanism. I've seen, in my almost 10 years of being here, conservatives who are for women clergy and liberals who are not; I've seen conservatives who deny the Holy Trinity, Real Presence, Apostolic Succession, and who are Chiliasts, Monophysites, Nestorians, etc, and I've seen liberals who are the most ardent Nicene-defending folks you've ever seen! Even on the homosexual issue, you'd be amazed to see some of the things posted here on STR and in CF in general.
2. One of the biggest problems in Anglicanism today is the reasons why we have issues with homosexuality, women clergy, abortion, etc: we are forgetting what Anglicanism is. We need to reeducate ourselves what Anglicanism is: its very core, its history, its everything. And we need to start with the belief of the Anglican faith: the liturgy. When we loose the liturgy, we loose Anglicanism.
And I'm not saying that no one can have a "Rite III" (as we call it in TEC) service that is popular, but we do need to have an authentic Anglican liturgy each Sunday as it was intended, which does include Holy Communion. I don't care if it is the Sarum Rite or the 1662 Rite, etc; at least it is Anglican. And then to actually learn what we believe in those Rites.
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