Atheists, What's the point?

[Tnmusicman]

An atheist is one who lacks a belief in deities. A theist is one who does believe in deities. They are not rival theists.

I know that!! Im commenting on Subduction Zones following comment:

Everybody is at least 99.9% atheist, since there are thousands of religions on the Earth that they don't believe in. What is so bad about not believing in one more?

I'm saying the asinine comparison that Christians are atheists to other gods is nonsense because by definition a theist can't be an atheist. That's like a married bachelor.
I'm not an atheist to anything! Rather, when referring to other religions, I'm not atheist of those deities but I am a rival theist.

 

[Tiberius]

I know that!! Im commenting on Subduction Zones following comment:
I'm saying the asinine comparison that Christians are atheists to other gods is nonsense because by definition a theist can't be an atheist. That's like a married bachelor.
I'm not an atheist to anything! Rather, when referring to other religions, I'm not atheist of those deities but I am a rival theist.

I think that's splitting hairs.

You deny the existence of Zeus, so do I. You deny the existence of Thor and Poseidon, so do I. You actively DISbelieve in those gods, just as I do.

 

[horrace99]

Logic was never one of horrace99's strong points.

Most atheists that I know of did not become atheists through choice. They, like me, started out as Christians and the more we learned about religion the less logical it seems. That along with other religions that make the same sort of claims and make the same sort of mistakes leads to atheism.

Everybody is at least 99.9% atheist, since there are thousands of religions on the Earth that they don't believe in. What is so bad about not believing in one more?

.How would you know if i'm logic or not because been on this site for days.Hebrews 6:6 says that ''if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.


You don't even know what the definition of atheist is either.Your mind is just as illogical as mine.To say that all religions are false like atheism does is hypocritical because atheists claim Christians deny all relgiions when you guys are just like us in many ways

 

[horrace99]

Why?

read hebrews

 

[Tiberius]

Why can't you tell us?

 

[quatona]

I think that's splitting hairs.

You deny the existence of Zeus, so do I. You deny the existence of Thor and Poseidon, so do I. You actively DISbelieve in those gods, just as I do.

Gotta defend Tnmusic here.
It´s not in the interest of clear communication to call theists "atheists".
Widening the definition of "atheist" (someone who doesn´t believe in any deities or concepts of such) to someone who doesn´t believe in a particular deity (while believing in another) would cause confusion rather than clarity of language.

 

[Belk]

Not even remotely in the same arena. You can't compare a puddle (which we KNOW why it began ) to the universe. Not even worth addressing. I didn't say it was proof of a God but it is evidence that points to God. Yes, the Christian God. I'm Christian so I ascribe to Christian theology and not Islam or any other theology so don't ask me about so called deities (that I don't believe to be true)
being the possible cause.

A lack of knowledge is not evidence of anything except a lack of knowledge.

 

[horrace99]

Why can't you tell us?

because It takes a long time to explain.Hebrews is a long book and I can't explain it very well.

just go here Hebrews 1 NIV - God’s Final Word: His Son - In the - Bible Gateway

 

[Tiberius]

Gotta defend Tnmusic here.
It´s not in the interest of clear communication to call theists "atheists".
Widening the definition of "atheist" (someone who doesn´t believe in any deities or concepts of such) to someone who doesn´t believe in a particular deity (while believing in another) would cause confusion rather than clarity of language.

I'm not suggesting that we call theists "atheists" because they don't believe in the majority of gods.

It's more the fact that he claimed that he wasn't an atheist to those deities, but rather a "rival theist".

TN's disbelief in Zeus is the same as mine.

 

[Tiberius]

because It takes a long time to explain.Hebrews is a long book and I can't explain it very well.

just go here Hebrews 1 NIV - God’s Final Word: His Son - In the - Bible Gateway

So you want me to read a long book, which you claim has the reason in it? The fact that it's long is the very reason that I'm asking for a summary of the relevant section.

 

[Tnmusicman]

A lack of knowledge is not evidence of anything except a lack of knowledge.

Yes, but we define " lack of knowledge " differently ( apparently ). I have been told before about the lack of knowledge as being a lack of knowing about the Christian God, which I don't believe you don't know in the "you've never heard of the Christian God" sense so I don't know how one claims lack of "knowledge" unless you are referring back to not knowing about God because you don't actually sense God with any of the senses, in which case I would have thought you would claim lack of "belief".

 

[Tnmusicman]

Gotta defend Tnmusic here.
It´s not in the interest of clear communication to call theists "atheists".
Widening the definition of "atheist" (someone who doesn´t believe in any deities or concepts of such) to someone who doesn´t believe in a particular deity (while believing in another) would cause confusion rather than clarity of language.

That's precisely the point. It causes confusion and I've been through this same argument a number of times and you are the only one to understand the point made. Thank you,Quatona.

 

[Belk]

Yes, but we define " lack of knowledge " differently ( apparently ). I have been told before about the lack of knowledge as being a lack of knowing about the Christian God, which I don't believe you don't know in the "you've never heard of the Christian God" sense so I don't know how one claims lack of "knowledge" unless you are referring back to not knowing about God because you don't actually sense God with any of the senses, in which case I would have thought you would claim lack of "belief".

Actually, I was pointing out that a lack of knowledge of how the expansion of the singularity that became our universe is not evidence of gods but simply evidence that we lack knowledge of how the universe expanded.

 

[Tnmusicman]

I think that's splitting hairs.

You deny the existence of Zeus, so do I. You deny the existence of Thor and Poseidon, so do I. You actively DISbelieve in those gods, just as I do.

Actually, I don't actively disbelieve those so called gods but rather I have no need of entertaining the idea of Zeus existence. If I were actively disbelieving it would imply its something I contend with on a daily basis. I assure you Zeus existence is not on my minds daily checklist

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Actually, I don't actively disbelieve those so called gods but rather I have no need of entertaining the idea of Zeus existence. If I were actively disbelieving it would imply its something I contend with on a daily basis.

I don't actively not collect stamps either.

 

[Tiberius]

Perhaps a wrongly chosen word on my part.

But if I asked you, would you say that Zeus is a fictional character?

 

[Tnmusicman]

I don't actively not collect stamps either.

Yes, thank you Frenchy for completely missing the point.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Yes, thank you Frenchy for completely missing the point.

Dp

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Yes, thank you Frenchy for completely missing the point.

That is the point! The ambivalence you feel towards other gods is exactly what we feel about yours. Which is to say, we agree on the nonexistence of 99.9 % of other gods.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I think I would trust his credentials considering a number of your fellow atheists have commented that WLC is rather well versed in the arena of debating. Namely,Hitchens and Harris. I'm sure you have respect for your fellow atheists opinions.

Just because they remarked he's a good debater, doesn't mean they think he's right.

In fact, I think it's rather obvious that Hitchens and Harris think he's completely wrong.