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I'm not sure if this is the right place for this but I would like some help with a deep theological question I have. In a Bible Study lesson I am taking, which I will just get right to it, claims that Satan's decepiton is the Sunday Worship. Clearly I am very sceptical about this and would like any answers on this particular subject. I have gone to another source and both of them seem to be against each other.

So is there any truth to these claims?
 

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5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike.

You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.

6 Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him.

Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating.

And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.

7 For we don’t live for ourselves or die for ourselves.

8 If we live, it’s to honor the Lord. And if we die, it’s to honor the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 Christ died and rose again for this very purpose—to be Lord both of the living and of the dead.

Romans 14
 
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Worship can and should be offered on any day of the week. The real heart of the question is, What day did the church gather together? This was clearly the 'first day' (Acts 20:7). The day of Pentecost falls always on Sunday, which is the day that the Spirit came with power to initiate the Lord's commission to his disciples. History also bears witness to the Sunday gathering of the church corporately.

And yet the church has long had devotional services like evening vespers conducted prior to the coming Sunday assembly. The more common variation in modern Protestantism is the mid-week Bible study or prayer service.
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place for this but I would like some help with a deep theological question I have. In a Bible Study lesson I am taking, which I will just get right to it, claims that Satan's decepiton is the Sunday Worship. Clearly I am very sceptical about this and would like any answers on this particular subject. I have gone to another source and both of them seem to be against each other.

So is there any truth to these claims?

Let me tell you why this claim is made.

All Pagan religions had some form of sun worship and the sun god was the most prominent god in many of those religions. Israel was the only nation that worshiped the true God. When Israel rebelled against God, a lot of the time they participated in sun worship.

All false worship is an invention of Satan but sun worship seems to be his favorite and remember that Lucifer means "Light bearer". The sun is the brightest form of light in our universe.

You may wonder how sun worship correlates to sunday worship. Let me say here that I am in now way saying people who worship on Sunday are worshiping the sun. That would be a very false and judgmental statement. The correlation really comes from the transition from Sabbath worship to sunday worship which was legislated by Constantine the Great in 321AD and later on by the Council of Laodicea in 364AD. Constantine who was the emperor of Rome at that time was pagan and paganism was the religion of Rome. Main day of worship for the Pagan's was sunday which was named sunday because that was the day that the sun was worshipped.

When Constantine wanted to turn the empire of Rome to a Christian religion he tried to made the transition easier. So, all of the holy days of paganism which were to honor their gods, he turned the event into a Christian even to honor a Christian symbol. Sunday was no longer the main pagan day or worship to worship the sun but now the main Christian day of worship to honour God. What we call Christmas was the day when they celebrated the rebirth of the sun god but it is not celebrated as the birth of Jesus. Easter also was about the pagan god Ishtar and originally had nothing to do with easter eggs and stuff like that.

So originally what was the devils invention has been absorbed into most branches of Christianity and this is why you would hear folks making such statements.

I can show you from scripture that it was prophesied that Christianity would become corrupted. This prophecy is found in Daniel 2. In Daniel 2 God shows Nebuchadnezzar a dream which shows a summary of the history of the world powers that shall control the world, starting from his Kingdom up until the end of time. He seems an image, composed of different materials to represent this timeline. Each material represents something. So the first Kingdom was Babylon represented by the head of gold, then Medio Persia represented by the chest and arms of silver, then Greece represented by the belly and thighs of brass and then Rome represented by the legs of iron.

There is also a material which is different from all the others. All of the previous materials were metals. This material is clay and this is where I will focus now.

Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Daniel does not say what clay represents in this prophecy but we need to find out what it is to understand this. The scripture helps us here.

Isa_64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Jer_18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.

These two scriptures show us that Potter's Clay is used as a symbol of God's people who at the time was israel. Potter's clay is pure, undefiled clay. Clay that is totally subject to the Potter. If anything is mixed with Potter's Clay it becomes Miry Clay. Now in Daniel 2:41 it started of as potter's clay and by the end of the verse it is called miry clay. So in that period, the clay has changed from being pure to being corrupt. But it is corrupted by the iron which is a symbol of Pagan Rome. The verse also says that there shall be in it the strength of the iron which means when this mixing takes place of paganism and Christianity, it is paganism that will change Christianity and not vice versa. So paganism has crept into the church and according to the prophecy, Roman Influence is going to be present until God establishes his kingdom.
 
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The correlation really comes from the transition from Sabbath worship to sunday worship which was legislated by Constantine the Great in 321AD

If this is true, then why was everyone still worshiping on Saturday and Sunday in Constantinople (Constantine's capital, see the name), even by the 5th Century? Why does the Church of Constantinople hold worship services on Saturday to this day?

Everything you have said about Christian history is unverifiable myth, invented in the 19th Century by pseudohistorical liars who thought Christ didn't even exist and who wanted to attack Christianity as a whole. No historian has given any of this nonsense any credit for the past 100 or so years.
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place for this but I would like some help with a deep theological question I have. In a Bible Study lesson I am taking, which I will just get right to it, claims that Satan's decepiton is the Sunday Worship. Clearly I am very sceptical about this and would like any answers on this particular subject. I have gone to another source and both of them seem to be against each other.

So is there any truth to these claims?
Where did you get this Bible study?


Would you care to post what you are having problems with in the study?

Would you mind even posting some of the material from the study?

bugkiller
 
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If this is true, then why was everyone still worshiping on Saturday and Sunday in Constantinople (Constantine's capital, see the name), even by the 5th Century? Why does the Church of Constantinople hold worship services on Saturday to this day?

Everything you have said about Christian history is unverifiable myth, invented in the 19th Century by pseudohistorical liars who thought Christ didn't even exist and who wanted to attack Christianity as a whole. No historian has given any of this nonsense any credit for the past 100 or so years.

What is a myth? Are you saying there were no such laws created by Constantine and the Council of Laodicea. Are you saying those kingdoms which I mention never existed. Or that Christmas day was originally a pagan holiday. Which of these things is a myth?

I invite the OP to do some quick google searches the verify what I have said and you as well but of course you won't believe.
 
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What is a myth? Are you saying there were no such laws created by Constantine and the Council of Laodicea.
Yes. I am saying that no law made Sunday the day of worship and outlawed Saturday worship. Constantine did make Sunday a secular day off from work, though, as it remains today.

We have accounts that the practice in the Church of Constantinople was to celebrate on Saturday and Sunday even by the 5th Century (see the History of Sozomenus). If Constantine outlawed Saturday worship, why was it being done in his capital city by the Church of that city? Why does the Church of Constantinople worship on Saturday still to this day?

Or that Christmas day was originally a pagan holiday.
Total myth.
all of the holy days of paganism which were to honor their gods, he turned the event into a Christian even to honor a Christian symbol.
Total myth.
Easter also was about the pagan god Ishtar
Total myth, the word Easter is of Germanic origin, not Akkadian.

I invite the OP to do some quick google searches the verify what I have said.
Do you understand the need for verifiable scholarship?
 
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It is and has been custom for the Jews (who the early Christians originally were) to gather together at the end of Shabbat into the first day of the week...which would have been Saturday evening. It is a time to "bid the Sabbath goodbye" just like a family gathers together when the Sabbath begins. No scripture anywhere in the Bible changes the Shabbat to Sunday...but, in fact, multiple scriptures are found telling us that the Shabbat was to be followed as a sign of the convenant forever. Yeshua, Himself, went to synagogue, as was His custom, on Shabbat. The scripture that Woodpecker posted explains why a day like traditional Christian Wednesday service would not be any better than any other day. Peter warns us not to twist Paul's words...but, somehow we just don't listen. :(
 
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With that said, there is nothing wrong with worshipping on Sunday or any day for that matter...but, Sabbath was to be set apart as a day to rest in Elohim, learning of Him, spending time with Him, as well as, our family. Truthfully, the best thing I did was to start truly keeping Sabbath. Not that I can't worship and learn about Him every day....which I do...but, that I know that the cares of the world are gone on Shabbat and I get to spend the day with Him without any worldy distractions. It's really quite beautiful! :)
 
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With that said, there is nothing wrong with worshipping on Sunday or any day for that matter...but, Sabbath was to be set apart as a day to rest in Elohim, learning of Him, spending time with Him, as well as, our family. Truthfully, the best thing I did was to start truly keeping Sabbath. Not that I can't worship and learn about Him every day....which I do...but, that I know that the cares of the world are gone on Shabbat and I get to spend the day with Him without any worldy distractions. It's really quite beautiful! :)
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bugkiller said:
Where did you get this Bible study?

Would you care to post what you are having problems with in the study?

Would you mind even posting some of the material from the study?

bugkiller

Likely, it is by Seventh Day Adventists.

I went to their service a few times and watches a few of their prophecy seminars.

They state that going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast, since the Roman Emperor moved the official sabbath observance from Saturday to Sunday. They believe that observing the sabbath per the Law of Moses is showing true allegiance to Christ.

Hence the name Seventh Day Adventist.

We know that anyone who justifies himself by the jobs of the Law are compelled to keep all commandments and is under the curse (Deut. 28:15-68 ) for not obeying even one.

So, please don't let their doctrine take away your Christian liberties. In Jesus, every day is the sabbath during which we do works of righteousness an enjoy God's rest.

God bless
 
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Likely, it is by Seventh Day Adventists.

I went to their service a few times and watches a few of their prophecy seminars.

They state that going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast, since the Roman Emperor moved the official sabbath observance from Saturday to Sunday. They believe that observing the sabbath per the Law of Moses is showing true allegiance to Christ.

Hence the name Seventh Day Adventist.

We know that anyone who justifies himself by the jobs of the Law are compelled to keep all commandments and is under the curse (Deut. 28:15-68 ) for not obeying even one.

So, please don't let their doctrine take away your Christian liberties. In Jesus, every day is the sabbath during which we do works of righteousness an enjoy God's rest.

God bless

There is no way every day can be the Sabbath because if you go back to creation, the 7th day was the only day that was blessed and sanctified.
 
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PROPHECYKID said:
There is no way every day can be the Sabbath because if you go back to creation, the 7th day was the only day that was blessed and sanctified.

It was a day to rest in The Lord. If we live through Christ, then we have entered God's rest. The sabbath is fulfilled in Christ. Everyday is the Lord's day. Or does Christ not work on Saturday?
 
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It was a day to rest in The Lord. If we live through Christ, then we have entered God's rest. The sabbath is fulfilled in Christ. Everyday is the Lord's day. Or does Christ not work on Saturday?

The Sabbath was created before sin and before there was a need for Christ to come. Had sin not entered the world, there would still be the Sabbath. So your logic does not add up.
 
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PROPHECYKID said:
The Sabbath was created before sin and before there was a need for Christ to come. Had sin not entered the world, there would still be the Sabbath. So your logic does not add up.

I disagree.

Scripture is explicit. Christ died (was destined to die) before the creation of the world. (1 Pet 1:20; Rev. 13:8) So there was always a need for Christ.

In fact, Paul revealed in Colossians 1:15 shows that Christ is the image of God (in which we were created) and is the firstborn of all creation (since He was first foreknown by the Father.)

So my logic does add up. All things, even the Sabbath, were made through Christ, for Christ, and by Christ, the Creative and Life-giving Word of God. So, in Christ, we find our sabbath.
 
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mrs94 said:
Why do we try so hard to justify NOT keeping Sabbath...a day when you completely and fully have your focus on the Lord? It is impossible to do this every day as we still have to live our lives. Is it really that difficult to set aside the day that He gave us?

If you live by the Law of Moses, you will place yourself under its curse (Deut 28:15-68 ) if you disobey it.

Christ bore that curse on Himself in our place (Galatians 3:13.) Those that rejected Him (the Jewish Nation) bore the curse on themselves (Matthew 27:24-25.)

But we are not ones under the curse or the Law that defines how to observe the Sabbath. If we live through Christ, we are in God's rest.

"For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, "As I swore in my wrath, "They shall not enter my rest," although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.(Hebrews 4:3 ESV)"

We are in God's rest through Christ, so long as we remain in Christ.
 
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