The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed

[Calvinator]

Now that I look at it again zoomed in with Photoshop I see what you are saying. When your zoomed out it doesn't stick out as much but zoomed in you know it's impossible. It's like her left leg is attached at the center of her torso and her right leg is just sitting on the rock next to her. The jacket and skirt make it a little harder to see. I wonder if i'm gonna see this girls face in one of these family photos I have.

I posted some comparison photos here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7717681-14/#post62237597

in the spoiler section

 

[Max S Cherry]

I just don't know what to make of this.

Robbie Parker Fake Actor Sandy Hook Shooting - YouTube

This was one of the hardest to reconcile pieces for me. It is outside the realm of reality to believe that one.

 

[guitarmonster]

Ok lets suppose all that is true, and lets suppose the pic was taken after the mass shooting. Does that add up to this particular pic being of a suspect in this particular crime?

Yes, I doubt they being in the middle of an active shooter situation decided to bust someone for something else in the process.

Now if you were the Police answering a call like that, would you assume there was only one possible shooter? On what basis?

To assume anything would be dangerous to everyone's safety. The only thing that matters to a first responder is that the dispatcher said there was shooting, you treat anyone on the scene as a possible suspect, especially if they are running away from you.

For this reason, police are allowed to temporarily detain people of interest until they secure the scene and sort things out. They are not under arrest or charged with a crime but are detained for investigative purposes.

I think it could be considered dereliction of duty to take it easy once your buddy found one likely suspect. They didn't have the benefit of hindsight, and the confusion you accurately note amongst the reporters is due to the confusion about the facts on the scene. Or so it seems to me.

If you listen to the police radio recording, you will find that they do not take it easy, they have multiple officers actively pursuing suspects. You even hear when additional backup arrives (k-9) and they instruct them to search a particular area of the woods. Listening to the radio it is crystal clear that there were multiple "persons of interest" involved. It seems these people we're released rather quickly, which makes no sense. Police don't do things unless they are legally required to. They had every legal right to detain everyone they chased down, and to even possibly charge them with attempting to evade arrest. One officer indicated that one of the suspects was doing some kind of a documentary on birds or something.

 

[seeking Christ]

you know it's impossible. It's like her left leg is attached at the center of her torso and her right leg is just sitting on the rock next to her.

Yes! I saw that immediately, but what my eyes are drawn to really isn't the subject of this thread

 

[seeking Christ]

I will tell you honestly that I don't want to live in a world with corruption like this. I wish that I could close my eyes and it would just go away. The only reason why I ever pick something like this apart is that I see blatant evidence of corruption. I also see that the government is using this as a catalyst to further their attack on the 2nd Amendment

Amen to all that! I'm glad someone has resources to dig into Gov't actions, but I would think there would be richer sources to expose than Sandy Hook. Don't let that slow you down; seriously, do what you feel you must.

and i can tell you that America is not going to stand for it. We have too many patriots in this country. They need to back this thing off and open up the discussion to all options to protect the people. Instead their just trying to ram through legislation to restrict law abiding citizens, which makes no sense.

I wish I could agree that "America isn't going to stand for it." I'm sort of watching this whole thing like a rubbernecker at the side of a roadside accident.

I live right next to Camden, NJ which is a city where citizens are not allowed to carry. Their crime is through the roof, those poor people like in constant fear for their lives and it's not fair to them.

I had a HS sweetheart who lived in Camden, roughly '79 - '83ish. Unforgettable gal. Camden wasn't that bad back then, sorry to hear of the state of affairs.

The criminals literally run the streets because they do not follow the law. I have no idea why so many people seem to be against willing teachers to get trained and carry concealed. We have trusted them for so long, all of a sudden they can't be trusted?

Because idiotic statements like "you people think the answer to everything is MOAR GUNZ" are seen as respectable. Seriously. I do think teachers need to prove they can be trusted on a merit basis before being along to carry at work, by some combination of stable work history and demonstrated gun proficiency. I also think measures need to be taken to ensure no student gains control of a weapon, via a combination of not knowing which teachers carry, and a secondary feature like perhaps a trigger lock with the key hidden, or something. I can;t see the need for a teacher being "quick on the draw." The whole purpose is for any potential crazed shooter knowing a school is not a turkey shoot, and he will encounter legitimate resistance. If even just 1/3 of school staff were carrying, the response time would be so improved over a call to the Police as to make the problem disappear.

Talk about a way that would have such a minimal impact costwise since the teachers are already being paid to be there, no additional salaries for security officers. Security officers and cops in schools only makes the school seem like a prison, where concealed carry teachers would not really change the mood. I would think that parents would actually feel better knowing its in the hands of teachers that they have grown to trust over the years. Bring in security guards who knows, you would be surprised how many of those professional security guards end up getting arrested at one point.

Even better would be to implement this along with the NRA's proposal, which is cost-free planning and training. Even though they suggested armed guards on a volunteer basis, they did specifically mention that each individual school could still benefit from their plan if they opted against that item of it. And back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I was in HS, security guards in HS did no good at all; they were as afraid of the violence as anybody else.

My God I hope I never have to see another school massacre. If anything is going to happen I would rather the headline read "Man with a gun kicks in front door of school, killed within a minute by two teachers".

And this is the best defensive use of a gun imaginable, because none of our mass shooters would've put themselves in that position. I'm not ready to think that the obviousness of this means that our Gov't staged the Sandy Hook massacre, I just think they really are so messed up and outright stupid as to not realize how easy the solution really is. Maybe I'm wrong and you're right?

 

[seeking Christ]

The reason why people like me are looking into this is because the police radio audio is highly contradictory to the official story that is being released directly by the Connecticut State Police representative Lt Paul Vance.

Ok well what do the live police calls show in terms of finding weapons?

That they "pursued suspects" doesn't mean that much to me. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many times I was chased by the Police, but it was so often we made a game out of it, getting chased on purpose just because the cops are SO stupid its hysterical. The first time I was arrested I was 12, and I still have scars from the handcuffs. I was doing literally nothing at all! So I would expect that these cops were chasing students that were fleeing the shooter.

What weapons they found though, especially called in before any official story was concocted, THAT would be info to follow up on!!

 

[seeking Christ]

If you listen to the police radio recording, you will find that they do not take it easy, they have multiple officers actively pursuing suspects. You even hear when additional backup arrives (k-9) and they instruct them to search a particular area of the woods. Listening to the radio it is crystal clear that there were multiple "persons of interest" involved. It seems these people we're released rather quickly, which makes no sense.

Sure it does! It means they found they had pursued students who had fled the shooting. A 6th grader can outrun a cop any day of the week, but when you look him in the face you realize he's not a shooting suspect. If these cops caught anyone they were probably not even in 4th grade; or else the bird watcher would again be obviously not a shooter.

 

[guitarmonster]

I do think teachers need to prove they can be trusted on a merit basis before being along to carry at work, by some combination of stable work history and demonstrated gun proficiency.

I strongly feel that they should attend firearms training and be issued a carry permit from their state. Weapons should be securely holstered at all times. They could use paddleback holsters from Blackhawk that are form fitted to the gun, has a safety lock that you can disengage naturally and quickly, and their very comfortable for concealed carry. I had two jobs where I carried a gun, the first being a guard for Dunbar. I had to attend a PA act 235 class in a school where I learned laws about use of force, handcuffing, and weapons training (handgun & shotgun). Even those in the class who we're really not comfortable with guns as of yet we're transformed into highly confident shooters. The way I look at it, a teacher is probably the best person to sit in any type of class. They are the ones who will show up with pen and paper to take notes, they will pay close attention and will practice more than required. The end result will be that people are just not going to try and shoot that school up, and if they do their not going to be living for much longer. Now there is the concern about how the police may react in an active shooter situation where you have bad guys and good guys in plain clothes shooting. The solution to that is identification arm bands that they can quickly slip onto their upper arm when they need to take action. On top of that, these programs should obviously encourage tight relations between the police and the teachers. Essentially, the local cops should generally know who the teachers are. The local police should also come to the school after hours and run training exercises with them, teach them things like room clearing, navigating down a hall, corners, t-junctions, etc.

 

[seeking Christ]

Don't forget the important stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeLvBlDZKuQ

 

[guitarmonster]

Sure it does! It means they found they had pursued students who had fled the shooting. A 6th grader can outrun a cop any day of the week, but when you look him in the face you realize he's not a shooting suspect. If these cops caught anyone they were probably not even in 4th grade; or else the bird watcher would again be obviously not a shooter.

I have not heard anything indicating that they we're chasing students. If they we're miners that would have been indicated over the radio. They apprehended suspects, they called it in over the radio.

 

[seeking Christ]

Now there is the concern about how the police may react in an active shooter situation where you have bad guys and good guys in plain clothes shooting. The solution to that is identification arm bands that they can quickly slip onto their upper arm when they need to take action. On top of that, these programs should obviously encourage tight relations between the police and the teachers. Essentially, the local cops should generally know who the teachers are. The local police should also come to the school after hours and run training exercises with them, teach them things like room clearing, navigating down a hall, corners, t-junctions, etc.

Obviously in an elementary school situation ID'ing the teachers isn't so hard, but in a HS it becomes significant.

 

[guitarmonster]

Obviously in an elementary school situation ID'ing the teachers isn't so hard, but in a HS it becomes significant.

It's more of making sure teachers are not caught up into tunnel vision. When these cops are racing at 100 miles per hour to get to an active shooter scene, their pulse is up, adrenaline through the roof. They bust in and all their looking for is a gun, when they see that gun they then have to quickly decide whether or not that next bullet is for them. I can understand a lot of people being concerned that a teacher may be accidentally shot by police. That is why they need to have that working relationship with them, and arm bands for identification. Undercover cops use different types of clothing to allow themselves to be identified by police so this would not be a foreign concept. For the most part after training they will learn to move a certain way and hold their gun a certain way, and these things will be noticed by the police as well. For instance if I were to bust in and I see one person with their feet shoulder width apart, gun gripped on both hands at what is called the low ready position, finger on the trigger guard, and another guy flailing a gun around like a madman it's not too hard to know who to shoot. These are the things that the anti gun group is not understanding, there is a right way to do this if they would be willing to listen to people who know what they are talking about. Don't ask the police chiefs that are just gunning to get the next federal grant, don't bring in bureaucrats, bring in come actual police officers who work the streets every day. They are the ones who know whats up, because their right in the middle of it.

 

[Bethesda]

There are multiple major holes in this case, I am not just talking about the photos. Also there really isn't an independent investigation, there is just a really large amount of people in this country that are not buying it for what it is being presented to be. There is no question when you compare the photos that the Phelps are actually the Greenbergs. The Parker photo was altered, and there is no legitimate reason for this. The Parker photo alone does not indicate anything except for the fact that someone at some point felt the need to copy and paste Emilie into the photo. Every criminal case in history has had what you would call "unexplained evidence". There are always clues that are dug up that people are never able to make sense of. Attacking this by calling out a single photo doesn't really achieve anything. The photo only indicates that someone at some point had the motivation to portray information that was false. So when you look at the Parker photo, keep that in mind. The message I am trying to convey is that we are being lied to, people need to see that. Too many people are glued to that "idiot box" they call a television. I don't think there is one single person on mainstream tv that is honest, except for maybe Ben Swann. I think that it is kind of strange that all of a sudden we have these shootings where over and over again witnesses clearly state that they saw multiple shooters, but the police and media are strongly selling the lone gun theory. The Sikh Temple, Aurora Theater, Sandy Hook, Tucson... For crying out loud this is the same government that actually tried to sell the "magic bullet theory" after JFK was shot.

Really think hard and long about this. You one group of people stepping up with credible evidence, showing things clear as day with proper motive, intent, and ability. Another group who believe in "the magic bullet".

MAGIC BULLET
How is the world could anyone at all believe in a bullet that changes direction in air? So who are the real conspiracy theorists? In my mind, the mainstream media are the conspiracy nuts, their the ones falling all over each other and can't even get a single fact straight!

who is claiming in the case of Sandy Hook that they saw multiple gunmen. You also seem to imply that at least some of the children are alive and that combined with the claim that people impersonated some of the parents would have to mean that the whole of Newtown (or at least those who children went to Sandy Hook) must be in on it as otherwise why are there not parents saying thats not so and sos mum and dad. I am sure there will be more than a few Christians in CSP and other law enforcement agencies involved in this case and I simply don't believe that such people would go along with a conspiracy
Your views on misinformation etc - well try reading battle accounts etc and you'll see just how many different povs there are - we had a shooting incident here where the police shot dead a man who they believed was a terrorist - in the immediate aftermath the police and the media put out stories that were very inaccurate - not due to some great conspiracy (as was implied) to kill a dark skinned person in order to warn others, but because in dynamic situations such things happen (and because when a tragedy occurs, people often first of all think of protecting their own position)
Finally I'd have to say that to me, as a professional, Mrs Phelps and Mrs Greenberg do not like the same person esp in terms of things like the flaring of the nostrils and the overall line of the nose

 

[Bethesda]

but it was so often we made a game out of it, getting chased on purpose just because the cops are SO stupid its hysterical.

We have people in the UK who think its fun to provoke the police into car chases etc (I presume you're not talking about anything that dangerous)

 

[Bethesda]

Undercover cops use different types of clothing to allow themselves to be identified by police so this would not be a foreign concept. For the most part after training they will learn to move a certain way and hold their gun a certain way, and these things will be noticed by the police as well

Different clothing - not something ever heard of in the UK anyway - I understand that some US forces use colours of the day etc as they have incidents with people with fake badges etc. Btw undercover really means someone who is posing as someone else, if you just wear civvies you're, at least here, a detective or in plain clothes

 

[Bethesda]

Yes it does, that picture is from the scene at Sandy Hook. The twitter post is commented by a member of the media, they are discussing it. She indicates that they didn't know who the suspect was and was going to get back to them on it, eventually the reporter stopped responding. Let me be clear here, i have listened to the police audio many times. Upon arrival the police we're chasing multiple suspects, this was the very first thing they did upon arrival. They we're told by the dispatcher that the caller seen two shadows running past the gym at the rear of the building. This is corroborated by the helicopter footage of the chase. On top of that, multiple officers call in to report pursuing and apprehending suspects. The key thing is they we're taken into custody, or legally what you would consider to be "detained". Since this is an active shooter call, even if the officers do release someone they have detained, they are going to take that person's information. I honestly do not think any information exists about those people, but that is just a feeling at this point. If you go on youtube and pull up a recording of the police radio, you will see very quickly that the media is way off on their story. You also hear them calling in when they found the weapons. Remember that officers are going to actively call everything in. If an officer walks in a room and sees a handgun, he's going to call in "i've got a handgun here". The reason why people like me are looking into this is because the police radio audio is highly contradictory to the official story that is being released directly by the Connecticut State Police representative Lt Paul Vance.

you're saying all the police involved were told to shut up and keep quiet? Btw you say you are the president of a software company - were you in law enforcement or the military before in terms of your comments re firing stances, radio calls, active shooter procedures etc

 

[seeking Christ]

Whatever sources you gather info from, please include this one:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7710714/

And I mean IRL, not just online

 

[guitarmonster]

who is claiming in the case of Sandy Hook that they saw multiple gunmen.

I am not claiming multiple gunmen, I am simply recognizing that the police we're actively chasing and apprehending suspects upon arrival. I did not come up with this, the helicopter footage as well as the police radio came up with it.

You also seem to imply that at least some of the children are alive and that combined with the claim that people impersonated some of the parents would have to mean that the whole of Newtown (or at least those who children went to Sandy Hook) must be in on it as otherwise why are there not parents saying thats not so and sos mum and dad.

Actually I am not implying that the town is in on it, this would be next to impossible to contain. I do believe that there really was a shooting and that children we're killed. However for the purpose of controlling information flowing through the media, I believe that a few false victims (portrayed by those who appear to be still alive) as well as false parents are in place to control information. You have to understand that with this whole gun control debate, any Sandy Hook parent that gets on the mic and starts talking about things like arming the teachers and stuff that their whole plan of gun control could be destroyed. Regardless of why or how, there is no doubt that the Greenbergs are heavily involved with some sort of cover up. It's just way too coincidental that their photos are exact matches to the Phelps, as well as their daughter Samantha's picture being a dead on match to Christina Taylor Green from the 2011 Tucson shooting. I know that there are crazy coincidences in this world, but this is just way too coincidental. The other issue is how law enforcement has avoided details a little too much. Now yesterday I watched the live coverage from the shooting in Houston, TX. I for one was not able to find one single web page of any information dated prior to the incident. I also noticed that law enforcement was really fast at providing accurate information to the media, and the media was covering it very well. Sandy Hook is just full of disinformation like crazy. It's so bad that i honestly don't think it's fair to call alternative media outlets conspiracy theorists anymore. As far as i'm concerned, the mainstream media are the real conspiracy theorists.

were you in law enforcement or the military before in terms of your comments re firing stances, radio calls, active shooter procedures etc

Did some work in the private security sector

Different clothing - not something ever heard of in the UK anyway

Don't know about the UK but I can say that this is not something that police departments like to advertise on billboards or anything. Many times when police are using undercover officers they will bring one in from another department to ensure nobody get's recognized. Utilizing different methods of identification can be helpful. These procedures are not set in stone, different departments come up with different ways to handle these situations so don't think I was reading that out of a textbook.

Finally I'd have to say that to me, as a professional, Mrs Phelps and Mrs Greenberg do not like the same person esp in terms of things like the flaring of the nostrils and the overall line of the nose

They look exactly identical. The only reason why you may initially think they look different is because you are comparing photos of them smiling vs frowning. Also her hair is covering part of her face which distorts as well. For this reason when you go to the dmv they tell you to not smile for the camera, but keep your face in a relaxed position. They tell you this because facial recognition software has been known to have issues with smiling faces vs frowning.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

I read an excelent phrase just before that neatly describes this thread. Featured the word "swivel."

 

[mpok1519]

Mass serial murderers and terrorists usually fit the profile of the stereotypical religious zealot with paranoid personality delusions bent on conspiracy theories.

I think it's them giving us a heads up.