the Apostle Paul kept the Torah!

[Frogster]

His purpose was not to keep the law.

Paul said he wanted to keep (observe) the feast and not the law. Paul's explicit purpose was to evangelize the Jew. One must realize the advantage to doing so at the feast. Jews would take this back home with them and spread it. It would be akin to what can happen at a truck stop with drivers from every part of the country. They take what they learn back home with them and talk about it.

bugkiller

that's a true point, i didn't see that part of the post, he did not go to keep the law.

 

[Frogster]

I bet the 4 groups of the 12 tribes of Israel camped around the tabernacle of Moses was an awesome sight!

Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1

THE TYPICAL TABERNACLE​

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

yep.

 

[bugkiller]

He observed the feasts.

Acts 18:20 NKJV
When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem;[c] but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.

Was Paul observing this feast an effort to keep the law which he opposed for the Christian? Or was he endeavoring to evangelize the Jew with the Gospel? Think about the results as these Jews returned home with this new belief they would talk about. Talk about multiplying efforts. WOW!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

that's a true point, i didn't see that part of the post, he did not go to keep the law.

There are many facets to this gem called the Scripture. It is simply fascinating. Discussion brings many of these things to the surface. I love it!!!

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

Was Paul observing this feast an effort to keep the law which he opposed for the Christian? Or was he endeavoring to evangelize the Jew with the Gospel? Think about the results as these Jews returned home with this new belief they would talk about. Talk about multiplying efforts. WOW!

bugkiller

good stuff.

 

[Frogster]

There are many facets to this gem called the Scripture. It is simply fascinating. Discussion brings many of these things to the surface. I love it!!!

bugkiller

yes indeedy...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There are many facets to this gem called the Scripture. It is simply fascinating. Discussion brings many of these things to the surface. I love it!!!

bugkiller

Much like the parables of Jesus

Kindgdom Bible Studies Template Page

Abraham's Bosom

Now, which of the five stories He gave them in this sermon was called a parable? The only one of the five which is prefaced by the claim, "And He spoke this parable unto them," was the story about the lost sheep. Was the lost sheep the only one that could be called a parable?
And yet, any preacher or believer that I know will answer that the story of the lost coin, as well as the prodigal son, were also parables. Then why was the singular used - "this parable"?

It should be clear to any thinking mind that all these stories were ONE PARABLE, like the facets of a diamond, as they turn each scintillates with new brilliance. Each was illustrating a view point of one great truth, and together they compose a whole.
And this parabolic discourse of Jesus is continued into chapter sixteen of Luke, including the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The truth is that all five stories are each a fractional part of the complete parable




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[annier]

His purpose was not to keep the law.

Paul said he wanted to keep (observe) the feast and not the law.

We would have a slight difference here then. The feasts of the law are law. Paul was also dispelling "MYTHS" which had spread about him as well. I think all those thousands of Jews which believed, were being evangelized by Judaizers, personally. Notice how James, informs Paul they had heard wrong things about him. I think it is pretty obvious that WHOEVER these many Jews had been listening to, were NOT IN FELLOWSHIP, with the Apostles in Jerusalem. Otherwise had they been in fellowship, they would have known the things being said were untrue

Paul's explicit purpose was to evangelize the Jew. One must realize the advantage to doing so at the feast. Jews would take this back home with them and spread it. It would be akin to what can happen at a truck stop with drivers from every part of the country. They take what they learn back home with them and talk about it.
bugkiller

All the Apostles which were Jews were keeping the law to evangelize the Jews. Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Kinda funny how those opposed to the gospel lied about Paul to the Jews in Jerusalem, saying Paul taught Jews should not keep the circumcision, and the law ( a sign, of the covenant of promise the their fathers), Yet when among the Gentiles taught to become circumcised and keep the law.

 

[bugkiller]

Much like the parables of Jesus

Kindgdom Bible Studies Template Page

Abraham's Bosom

Now, which of the five stories He gave them in this sermon was called a parable? The only one of the five which is prefaced by the claim, "And He spoke this parable unto them," was the story about the lost sheep. Was the lost sheep the only one that could be called a parable?
And yet, any preacher or believer that I know will answer that the story of the lost coin, as well as the prodigal son, were also parables. Then why was the singular used - "this parable"?

It should be clear to any thinking mind that all these stories were ONE PARABLE, like the facets of a diamond, as they turn each scintillates with new brilliance. Each was illustrating a view point of one great truth, and together they compose a whole.
And this parabolic discourse of Jesus is continued into chapter sixteen of Luke, including the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The truth is that all five stories are each a fractional part of the complete parable

That is good LLoJ. Derailing your own thread out of the blue.

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Much like the parables of Jesus

Kindgdom Bible Studies Template Page

Abraham's Bosom

That is good LLoJ. Derailing your own thread out of the blue.

bugkiller

Paul mentioned Abraham many times in his epistles, most of them in Romans and Galatians, then there is the book of Hebrews also.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G11 matches the Greek Ἀβραάμ (Abraam), which occurs 73 times in 69 verses in the Greek concordance




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[Frogster]

We would have a slight difference here then. The feasts of the law are law. Paul was also dispelling "MYTHS" which had spread about him as well. I think all those thousands of Jews which believed, were being evangelized by Judaizers, personally. Notice how James, informs Paul they had heard wrong things about him. I think it is pretty obvious that WHOEVER these many Jews had been listening to, were NOT IN FELLOWSHIP, with the Apostles in Jerusalem. Otherwise had they been in fellowship, they would have known the things being said were untrue

All the Apostles which were Jews were keeping the law to evangelize the Jews. Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Kinda funny how those opposed to the gospel lied about Paul to the Jews in Jerusalem, saying Paul taught Jews should not keep the circumcision, and the law ( a sign, of the covenant of promise the their fathers), Yet when among the Gentiles taught to become circumcised and keep the law.

as you pointed out, he did not go there for 3 years, to which i added 14, so why would there be a change now in acts 21 all of the sudden, and paul is all law bound?


we can also say that later, paul did say the law was abolished in eph 2;15, and it was about both parties.

 

[Frogster]

We would have a slight difference here then. The feasts of the law are law. Paul was also dispelling "MYTHS" which had spread about him as well. I think all those thousands of Jews which believed, were being evangelized by Judaizers, personally. Notice how James, informs Paul they had heard wrong things about him. I think it is pretty obvious that WHOEVER these many Jews had been listening to, were NOT IN FELLOWSHIP, with the Apostles in Jerusalem. Otherwise had they been in fellowship, they would have known the things being said were untrue

All the Apostles which were Jews were keeping the law to evangelize the Jews. Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Kinda funny how those opposed to the gospel lied about Paul to the Jews in Jerusalem, saying Paul taught Jews should not keep the circumcision, and the law ( a sign, of the covenant of promise the their fathers), Yet when among the Gentiles taught to become circumcised and keep the law.

the main reason for going was to bring gentile money, that of 2 cor 8-9.


Rom 15:25 At present, however, I am going to Jerusalem bringing aid to the saints. 26 For Macedonia and Achaia have been pleased to make some contribution for the poor among the saints at Jerusalem.

 

[bugkiller]

We would have a slight difference here then. The feasts of the law are law. Paul was also dispelling "MYTHS" which had spread about him as well. I think all those thousands of Jews which believed, were being evangelized by Judaizers, personally. Notice how James, informs Paul they had heard wrong things about him. I think it is pretty obvious that WHOEVER these many Jews had been listening to, were NOT IN FELLOWSHIP, with the Apostles in Jerusalem. Otherwise had they been in fellowship, they would have known the things being said were untrue

Paul is a known Jew lover. Nothing wrong with that. Just read Romans where Paul says twice to the Jew first and talks about how God is not finished with them in chapter 11.

All the Apostles which were Jews were keeping the law to evangelize the Jews. Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Kinda funny how those opposed to the gospel lied about Paul to the Jews in Jerusalem, saying Paul taught Jews should not keep the circumcision, and the law ( a sign, of the covenant of promise the their fathers), Yet when among the Gentiles taught to become circumcised and keep the law.

Keeping the law or observing customs. There is a difference. Observing the law would imply necessary for salvation in this case. That is not what any of the Apostles taught.

Right it was not Christians spreading this false information. It was Judaizers also known as subverters (Acts 15) and false brethern spying out the liberty of the Christian (Gal 2).

Where did Paul teach others to become circumcized? Have you not read Gal 5:3-4 where Pauls states one must make a choice between circumcision (the law) and salvation?

bugkiller

 

[annier]

Gotta love those amplified English Bibles.
You can get them to say pretty much anything you want

But I do agree, NO ONE is justified by works of the law.

Really, then what is this?
De 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

The Law was not given to bring redemption.

Agreed. The abrahamic covenant,through circumcision in the flesh brought redemption

It was given to give Instruction.

That would include all 5 books of Moses. It was schoolmaster unto Christ.

Then and now

No, The Abrahamic covenant still redeems them, after they have undergone punishment for their sin committed under the law. We which are in Christ have escaped that wrath, which Christ bore for us. That is why Jews keep the fleshly circumcision, it is why Jews are back in the land today. The circumcision in the flesh is unto the firstborn, a double portion. Earthly inheritance, then heavenly inheritance. We Gentiles and Jews share in the heavenly inheritance through spiritual circumcision

 

[Frogster]

Paul mentioned Abraham many times in his epistles, most of them in Romans and Galatians, then there is the book of Hebrews also.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G11 matches the Greek Ἀβραάμ (Abraam), which occurs 73 times in 69 verses in the Greek concordance




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2;16, chapter 6, and 11.

 

[Frogster]

Really, then what is this?
De 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.


Agreed. The abrahamic covenant,through circumcision in the flesh brought redemption That would include all 5 books of Moses. It was schoolmaster unto Christ.
No, The Abrahamic covenant still redeems them, after they have undergone punishment for their sin committed under the law. We which are in Christ have escaped that wrath, which Christ bore for us. That is why Jews keep the circucision, it is why Jews are back in the land today. The circumcision in the flesh is unto the firstborn, a double portion. Earthly inheritance, then heavenly inheritance

what makes u say the abe cov through the flesh brought redemption, when paul stresses pre cutting in rom 4, and in 4;12 he even says for the jews?

 

[bugkiller]

Paul mentioned Abraham many times in his epistles, most of them in Romans and Galatians, then there is the book of Hebrews also.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G11 matches the Greek Ἀβραάμ (Abraam), which occurs 73 times in 69 verses in the Greek concordance.

So tell me exactly what that has to do with Paul observing the Torah, if you please.

bugkiller

 

[annier]

what makes u say the abe cov through the flesh brought redemption, when paul stresses pre cutting in rom 4, and in 4;12 he even says for the jews?

I was speaking about the LAW, and what it instructs. Prior to the Gospel of our Salvation in Christ. Even under Moses, redemption was via, the prior covenant made with their father Abraham.

 

[Frogster]

I was speaking about the LAW, and what it instructs. Prior to the Gospel of our Salvation in Christ. Even under Moses, redemption was via, the prior covenant made with their father Abraham.

but the law did not redeem, heb 7;11 says perfection was not attained, speaking of the sin cleansing.

 

[bugkiller]

Really, then what is this?
De 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.


Agreed. The abrahamic covenant,through circumcision in the flesh brought redemption
That would include all 5 books of Moses. It was schoolmaster unto Christ.
No, The Abrahamic covenant still redeems them, after they have undergone punishment for their sin committed under the law. We which are in Christ have escaped that wrath, which Christ bore for us. That is why Jews keep the fleshly circumcision, it is why Jews are back in the land today. The circumcision in the flesh is unto the firstborn, a double portion. Earthly inheritance, then heavenly inheritance. We Gentiles and Jews share in the heavenly inheritance through spiritual circumcision

Then was God foolish in offering up His only begotten Son to provide redemption?

bugkiller