the Apostle Paul kept the Torah!

[Frogster]

The Irish stuff?

bugkiller

yep, my irish wife keeps me buzzed.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

yep, my irish wife keeps me buzzed.

Yer wife is Irish? What religion is she?



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[Frogster]

Yer wife is Irish? What religion is she?



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a frogsterette. it is a very high order of evolved amphibians who were grated into thermonuclear fusion with some paul dna found at an old catholic monastery, which was from the first genome experiment, that metamorhasized into a new evolved hightened state of spirituality, where by the genetic disolution ende the gtransgenetic polyanthrosis of the cellular breadown, which in the end produced a matrosized new religion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Frogster yep, my irish wife keeps me buzzed.

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Yer wife is Irish? What religion is she?

a frogsterette.
it is a very high order of evolved amphibians who were grated into thermonuclear fusion with some paul dna found at an old catholic monastery, which was from the first genome experiment, that metamorhasized into a new evolved hightened state of spirituality, where by the genetic disolution ende the gtransgenetic polyanthrosis of the cellular breadown, which in the end produced a matrosized new religion.

I can "hang" wit dat


pameladuranduran 1 year ago
I SIMPLY LOVE THIS SONG AND ALL THEIR SONGS!!!
Simon Le Bon is the SEXIEST and CUTIEST singer alive!!!



Duran Duran New Religion - YouTube

 

[bugkiller]

a frogsterette. it is a very high order of evolved amphibians who were grated into thermonuclear fusion with some paul dna found at an old catholic monastery, which was from the first genome experiment, that metamorhasized into a new evolved hightened state of spirituality, where by the genetic disolution ende the gtransgenetic polyanthrosis of the cellular breadown, which in the end produced a matrosized new religion.

Love it!!! I sure need that too.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

I can "hang" wit dat

Duran Duran New Religion - YouTube

Love it!!! I sure need that too.

bugkiller

you're both welcome to join, at $500.00 a visit!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

you're both welcome to join, at $500.00 a visit!

I have even a better idea. How boutz you pay us $500 to join



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[Frogster]

I have even a better idea. How boutz you pay us $500 to join



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no dice!

 

[Shimshon]

Yeah discussing the MJ movement or real MJ folks is a messey endoeavor here. Unfortunately there are few true MJ folks posting here. Our problem comes from the people of MJ movement of which true MJ are not a part of in my understanding.

bugkiller

There are Jews who came to believe in Messiah, then there are Christians who came to believe in Judaism. And then there is the more startling fact that most of the Jewish members came from Christian Churches too. It's only a REAL small minority of Messianic Jews who actually understand the truth about this Torah observance thing going on now. And most of them are 'old' people. Those who were truely born into Judaism and found freedom in Messiah from the works of Torah. They have no need, nor are they able to fall for the 'you must observe Torah now that you are saved' routine. That's just not how we came to Messiah, in fact it's quite the opposite.

In my opinion, it's the ones who were never really in touch with their Jewishness that find the whole Torah observance thing so romantic. They have lost their identity in Judaism, found Christ, then try to re-establish their identity within modern Judaism. Which only goes to show they are not understanding their identity in Messiah.

 

[bugkiller]

you're both welcome to join, at $500.00 a visit!

That must be some great Irish coffee at 5 bills a cup even if it is bottomless.

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Frogster you're both welcome to join, at $500.00 a visit!

That must be some great Irish coffee at 5 bills a cup even if it is bottomless.

bugkiller

I will have to try this coffee sometime

Kopi Luwak - koffie - The Bucket List - YouTube

 

[bugkiller]

There are Jews who came to believe in Messiah, then there are Christians who came to believe in Judaism. And then there is the more startling fact that most of the Jewish members came from Christian Churches too. It's only a REAL small minority of Messianic Jews who actually understand the truth about this Torah observance thing going on now. And most of them are 'old' people. Those who were truely born into Judaism and found freedom in Messiah from the works of Torah. They have no need, nor are they able to fall for the 'you must observe Torah now that you are saved' routine. That's just not how we came to Messiah, in fact it's quite the opposite.

In my opinion, it's the ones who were never really in touch with their Jewishness that find the whole Torah observance thing so romantic. They have lost their identity in Judaism, found Christ, then try to re-establish their identity within modern Judaism. Which only goes to show they are not understanding their identity in Messiah.

I am a buyer Sold to number ...

Nice post.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

That must be some great Irish coffee at 5 bills a cup even if it is bottomless.

bugkiller

it comes with 1 refill.

 

[Habakk]

hey, give a guy a break!

besides, that is what it means, unless you can show otherwise.

Not getting at you personally, I just thought that using such a translation is stretching the point a bit. The Lockman Foundation’s Amplified version is really an attempt at suggesting an alternative reading.

 

[bugkiller]

Not getting at you personally, I just thought that using such a translation is stretching the point a bit. The Lockman Foundation’s Amplified version is really an attempt at suggesting an alternative reading.

Prolly when it is not liked.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

Not getting at you personally, I just thought that using such a translation is stretching the point a bit. The Lockman Foundation’s Amplified version is really an attempt at suggesting an alternative reading.

the amplified actually rated pretty high on a scale i saw on the net. But anyway, were they right on their wordage in 4:12?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Your line of argument is not convincing; it is not as if Galatians 4:8-11 is in a separate context from Galatians 4:1-7 - in my post the passages are quoted one after the other, just as they appear in the bible.

Haydock's notes say, on Galatians 4:10-11:

Gal 4:10-11 "You observe days and months and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest perhaps I have laboured in vain among you."

Gal 4:10-11 You observe days, &c. These false teachers were for obliging all Christians to observe all the Jewish feasts, fasts, ceremonies, &c. Some of the later reformers find here an occasion to blame the fasts and holydays kept by Catholics. St. Jerome, in his commentary on these words, tells us that some had made the like objection in his time: his answer might reasonably stop their rashness; to wit, that Christians keep indeed the sabbath on Sunday, (not the Jewish sabbath on Saturdays) that they keep also divers holydays, and days on which great saints suffered martyrdom, (let our adversaries take notice of this) but that both the days are different, and the motives of keeping them. See St. Jerome, tom. iv. p. 271. (Witham)

This text cannot mean to condemn the feasts appointed to be kept holy in the Catholic Church. For on the festivals dedicated to our Lord, St. Augustine writeth thus: "We dedicate and consecrate the memory of God's benefits with solemnities on solemn appointed days, lest in process of time they might creep into ungrateful and unkind oblivion." And of the martyrs thus: "Christians people celebrate the memories of martyrs with religious solemnity, both to move themselves to an imitation of their virtues, and that they may be partakers of their merits, and helped by their prayers." (Cont. Faust. lib. xx. chap. 21.) And of other saints thus: "keep ye and celebrate with sobriety the nativities of saints, that we may imitate them that are gone before us, and that they may rejoice in us, who pray for us." (In Ps. .xxxviii. Conc. 2. in fine.)
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Quoting Nanos:

Look closely at the language. It describes the idolatrous calendar of the Romans
(“days, months, seasons, years”), not that of the Jews (days, weeks, months, seasons,
years). The Jews were the only people of the time to observe a seven day cycle—weeks,
which is conspicuously absent from Paul’s description! The Jewish calendar is built
around the story of creation, of God’s seven day cycle. The Roman calendar is built
around the imperial gods and their representative on earth, Caesar. In other words, it is
not merely a vague analogy between turning (again) to idolatry and observation of a
calendar, but a direct reference to a calendar that turns around idol worship]

See also, Martin, "Time-Keeping”; Nanos, Irony of Galatians, 267-71.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Habakk Not getting at you personally, I just thought that using such a translation is stretching the point a bit. The Lockman Foundation’s Amplified version is really an attempt at suggesting an alternative reading.

the amplified actually rated pretty high on a scale i saw on the net. But anyway, were they right on their wordage in 4:12?

Are you talking Romans?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7364825-47/#post52625427
LLOJ's Book of Romans verse by verse greek study

Paul continues with circumcision/uncircumcison and the faith of Abraham....

Romans 4:12
4:12 And father of circumcision to the ones not out-of circumcision/peritomhj <4061> only, but also to the ones conforming to the steps of, the in the uncircumcision/akrobustia <203>, faith of the father of us, Abraham.

Textus Rec.) Romans 4:12 kai patera peritomhV toiV ouk ek peritomhV monon alla kai toiV stoicousin toiV icnesin thV en th akrobustia pistewV tou patroV hmwn abraam

4061. peritome per-it-om-ay' from 4059; circumcision (the rite, the condition or the people, literally or figuratively):--X circumcised, circumcision.
203. akrobustia ak-rob-oos-tee'-ah from 206 and probably a modified form of posthe (the penis or male sexual organ); the prepuce; by implication, an uncircumcised (i.e. gentile, figuratively, unregenerate) state or person:--not circumcised, uncircumcised (with 2192), uncircumcision.
206. akron ak'-ron neuter of an adjective probably akin to the base of 188; the extremity:--one end... other, tip, top, uttermost participle

 

[Frogster]

Quoting Nanos:



See also, Martin, "Time-Keeping”; Nanos, Irony of Galatians, 267-71.

i can quote ff bruce, one of the most repsected scholars of all time, he said the jewish calendar for gal 4:10, but the bottom line is, i proved it using the text, the issue was judaism, that was the direction, under law in 4:21, and 5:3.

why would they be going in two different directions?

Were they trying to make them jewish, or stay as pagans? Same compel or force word used in 2:14 with peter, and it was law there.


6:12 It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.

 

[Frogster]

Are you talking Romans?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7364825-47/#post52625427
LLOJ's Book of Romans verse by verse greek study


4061. peritome per-it-om-ay' from 4059; circumcision (the rite, the condition or the people, literally or figuratively):--X circumcised, circumcision.
203. akrobustia ak-rob-oos-tee'-ah from 206 and probably a modified form of posthe (the penis or male sexual organ); the prepuce; by implication, an uncircumcised (i.e. gentile, figuratively, unregenerate) state or person:--not circumcised, uncircumcised (with 2192), uncircumcision.
206. akron ak'-ron neuter of an adjective probably akin to the base of 188; the extremity:--one end... other, tip, top, uttermost participle

no this, said right after it being a waste to get under the jewish calendar.


10 You observe [particular] days and months and seasons and years!

11 I am alarmed [about you], lest I have labored among and over you to no purpose and in vain.

12 Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong [[f]in the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].