keep it civil it is a sabbath question of sorts.

[cyberlizard]

You cannot help but notice the proliferation of Sabbath threads on the forum, but what I want to know is why.

Being as the bulk of the Church does not keep it anyway, why do people think it is such a hot topic, judging from the number of posts on these sort of threads.

This thread is not about whether or not it should be kept, just why these threads are so active in light of the percentage of people who do not keep it anyway.


Steve

p.s. being as this thread is not a debate hopefully we will get people's own opinions rather than soundbite bible verses.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

You cannot help but notice the proliferation of Sabbath threads on the forum, but what I want to know is why.

There are a handful of members for whom this is a very important issue; some of whom see the conversion of those who do not keep the Sabbath on the same day as their personal mission.

Being as the bulk of the Church does not keep it anyway, why do people think it is such a hot topic, judging from the number of posts on these sort of threads.

Likewise, there are those who feel that they need to convert Sabbath keepers to Sunday observance.

There are also those who see these threads as stressing one point of legalism at the expense of the Gospel. I guess I would fall into this group, but would tend to be among the more moderate.

This thread is not about whether or not it should be kept, just why these threads are so active in light of the percentage of people who do not keep it anyway.

With all due respect, many here see Sunday observance as a valid form of Sabbath observance as well. The change from 7th day, to 8th day being implemented to honour the resurrection of our Lord. As the 7th day honors the completion of God's creation of the world, the 8th day honours the fulfilment of the new covenant.

Steve

p.s. being as this thread is not a debate hopefully we will get people's own opinions rather than soundbite bible verses.

I like the idea of keeping this a debate free zone, but in order to keep it this way we all need to stay open minded.

 

[Keachian]

From my understanding and the impression I get for the SDA the keeping of the Sabbath is a salvific issue, and the celebration of the day that the Lord rose is the mark of the beast.

 

[Stryder06]

From my understanding and the impression I get for the SDA the keeping of the Sabbath is a salvific issue, and the celebration of the day that the Lord rose is the mark of the beast.

There are more denominations besides the SDA who keep the sabbath. Your statement is completely off topic.

It's very sad that people have to find an excuse to bring up what "The SDA teach" at any mention of the sabbath, as if it were our creation or something.

 

[Stryder06]

You cannot help but notice the proliferation of Sabbath threads on the forum, but what I want to know is why.

Being as the bulk of the Church does not keep it anyway, why do people think it is such a hot topic, judging from the number of posts on these sort of threads.

This thread is not about whether or not it should be kept, just why these threads are so active in light of the percentage of people who do not keep it anyway.


Steve

p.s. being as this thread is not a debate hopefully we will get people's own opinions rather than soundbite bible verses.

It is my opinion that this topic is getting so much attention because God wants His people to gain clarity about it. When it comes to truth, one's own opinion isn't what matters. What has to be accepted is what God wants of His people.

I believe this topic is going to get a lot more attenion in the days to come.

 

[Rev Randy]

You cannot help but notice the proliferation of Sabbath threads on the forum, but what I want to know is why.

Being as the bulk of the Church does not keep it anyway, why do people think it is such a hot topic, judging from the number of posts on these sort of threads.

This thread is not about whether or not it should be kept, just why these threads are so active in light of the percentage of people who do not keep it anyway.


Steve

p.s. being as this thread is not a debate hopefully we will get people's own opinions rather than soundbite bible verses.

Because some see Law keeping as salvation and others see it as against Christ. Thus it becomes a hot topic.

 

[Stryder06]

Because some see Law keeping as salvation and others see it as against Christ. Thus it becomes a hot topic.

But isn't that a wrong conclusion to come to seeing as there are laws that all Christians agree that we should keep?

This issue really seems to be less about the keeping of the law, and more directly about the keeping of the sabbath.

 

[asiyreh]

It's interesting that many Sabbath keeping denomination including the SDA believe that near the end times - Sabbath keeping will become extremely controversial.

And that a message will go out to the world proclaiming the truth of the Sabbath message to all the children of God.

Hear o Israel, The Lord our God the Lord is One.

 

[Mazock]

Because some see Law keeping as salvation and others see it as against Christ. Thus it becomes a hot topic.

Hi Randy,

I think most Christians see keeping the Law as an act of Salvation, AND they see it against Christ.

However, SDA, the Puritans, Messianic Jews, and a handful of other denominations do not see it as salvation by works, but observe the law as a means of worship or sanctification, which is not "salvation".

And as to why Sabbath is such an issue on the forum, why is observing the Sabbath any more controversial than homosexuality? At least the Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments. How can you debate homosexuality if you don't even observe all of the 10 commandments?

If Jesus did away with the Law, why does he say we should pray that the appearance of the Antichrist and AoD, NOT be on the Sabbath or in the winter in Matt. 24? This conversation obviously happened after the sermon on the mount in Matthew 5 (where he says that he came to "fulfill" the law), and the events will obviously will take place after Jesus' death and resurrection.

If He's speaking to the Jews, why is He asking them to continue to observe the Law, if He nullified the Law at His death? Does this allude to a dual gospel? One for those who are Jewish, and one for Gentiles?

Or is the Christian church falling prey to their flesh, by having a fleshly aversion to the things of God, such as performing the simple act of observing the Sabbath on its proper day?

 

[motherprayer]

I think it is because many feel that their way is the *only* way, and therefore feel the need to attempt to force others to see their view.

I heard an interesting perspective on the Sabbath once. It was posited that "Sabbath" isn't a one-day-a-week thing after Christ. In the OT is was said that no labor was to be done on the Sabbath day. In the NT, it was said a few times that Christ shall give you rest, rest in Jesus, His yoke is easy and His burden is light. So the interpretation there was that "Sabbath" isn't something one should observe once a week, but every day.

I liked the view, because it presents a seldom-offered Truth that we shouldn't simply go to Christ once a week, but we should live our lives every day in keeping with His Words. If we trust in Jesus, and lean on Him for wisdom and understanding EVERY SINGLE DAY, He shall give us rest every single day, therefore keeping the rule of observing Sabbath by foregoing the labors of the flesh.

Could be right, could be wrong, but it was unique, that's for sure.

 

[asiyreh]

I think it is because many feel that their way is the *only* way, and therefore feel the need to attempt to force others to see their view.

I heard an interesting perspective on the Sabbath once. It was posited that "Sabbath" isn't a one-day-a-week thing after Christ. In the OT is was said that no labor was to be done on the Sabbath day. In the NT, it was said a few times that Christ shall give you rest, rest in Jesus, His yoke is easy and His burden is light. So the interpretation there was that "Sabbath" isn't something one should observe once a week, but every day.

I liked the view, because it presents a seldom-offered Truth that we shouldn't simply go to Christ once a week, but we should live our lives every day in keeping with His Words. If we trust in Jesus, and lean on Him for wisdom and understanding EVERY SINGLE DAY, He shall give us rest every single day, therefore keeping the rule of observing Sabbath by foregoing the labors of the flesh.

Could be right, could be wrong, but it was unique, that's for sure.

It's like the man who sowed his wild oats all week long then prayed for a crop failure on the Sabbath

 

[motherprayer]

It's like the man who sowed his wild oats all week long then prayed for a crop failure on the Sabbath

Lol! Yea kinda sorta. I haven't really "decided" how I feel about it. I need to do some more study on the idea before I can feel comfortable saying I believe it is Truth. But it certainly is something I never heard before!

 

[Stryder06]

I wonder how long this will last as a "non-debate" thread. Someone's bound to get the "But Paul said" ball rolling sooner or later.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

You cannot help but notice the proliferation of Sabbath threads on the forum, but what I want to know is why.

Being as the bulk of the Church does not keep it anyway, why do people think it is such a hot topic, judging from the number of posts on these sort of threads.

This thread is not about whether or not it should be kept, just why these threads are so active in light of the percentage of people who do not keep it anyway.


Steve

p.s. being as this thread is not a debate hopefully we will get people's own opinions rather than soundbite bible verses.

I think people will defend their personal religious practices if they feel some condemnation coming from others. That is really what makes it a hot topic. I have a friend who is SDA and we love each other enough to visit each others churches. I go with her on some Saturdays, and she goes with me on some Sundays. And we agree that it all about the love of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Keachian]

There are more denominations besides the SDA who keep the sabbath. Your statement is completely off topic.

It's very sad that people have to find an excuse to bring up what "The SDA teach" at any mention of the sabbath, as if it were our creation or something.

Just to point out, this is the first Sabbath thread in my recollection that has not been started by an SDA, so from my perspective it is just your sect which finds the rest of the Church's unobservance as objectionable

 

[motherprayer]

I wonder how long this will last as a "non-debate" thread. Someone's bound to get the "But Paul said" ball rolling sooner or later.

But Paul said we should avoid vain babbling!

 

[VictorC]

You cannot help but notice the proliferation of Sabbath threads on the forum, but what I want to know is why.

Being as the bulk of the Church does not keep it anyway, why do people think it is such a hot topic, judging from the number of posts on these sort of threads.

This thread is not about whether or not it should be kept, just why these threads are so active in light of the percentage of people who do not keep it anyway.


Steve

I believe that the root of the problem revolves around an understanding of (or lack of) God's redemption as His own adopted children.

Sabbatarians focus on the old covenant as 'the commandments of God', and continue to attempt compliance to the sabbath that is a component of the old covenant. Seventh-day Adventists have codified this requirement requisite for salvation each time they refer to the writings of Ellen White.

Everyone else understands that God has delivered us from the old covenant and the sabbath requirement when He adopted us as his own. We have entered God's sabbatismos rest that the sabbath didn't provide during its tenure, and we view the periodic days as a shadow of that permanent rest.

There is no possible means to reconcile the two viewpoints. Adventism in particular strives to achieve acceptance within the Christian community, hence their commitment to verbalize their teachings.

p.s. being as this thread is not a debate hopefully we will get people's own opinions rather than soundbite bible verses.

Soundbite filter was turned oft to render a simple opinion.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Just to point out, this is the first Sabbath thread in my recollection that has not been started by an SDA, so from my perspective it is just your sect which finds the rest of the Church's unobservance as objectionable

Actually, I know of at least two non-SDA posters who have started threads about the SDA and/or the Sabbath. I keep wondering when the Christian Scientists will pop up.

 

[Standing Up]

From my understanding and the impression I get for the SDA the keeping of the Sabbath is a salvific issue, and the celebration of the day that the Lord rose is the mark of the beast.

There are more denominations besides the SDA who keep the sabbath. Your statement is completely off topic.

It's very sad that people have to find an excuse to bring up what "The SDA teach" at any mention of the sabbath, as if it were our creation or something.

Stryder06, you didn't address what I bolded. Would you be so kind? Is 'keeping the weekly Sabbath' a salvific issue? Or do you couch it in terms of obeying any variety of commandments (the other 9, say,) as salvific?

 

[Keachian]

Actually, I know of at least two non-SDA posters who have started threads about the SDA and/or the Sabbath. I keep wondering when the Christian Scientists will pop up.

There are substantial places where the Scientists differ from Nicene Trinitarianism so I don't really expect them to appear here in GT.