Elioenai, concerning this post.
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If God orders the killing of some group of people, is it wrong?
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If God orders the killing of some group of people, is it wrong?
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If God asks....
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I will find this interesting. He's consistently ignored any question by me or others about his objective morality. He bleats on tirelessly about how I have no grounds by my own worldview to morally oppose the idea of hell but refuses to address how he, with his objective edicts accepts it.
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This is the problem though, isn't it? If you define morality as what God says then you argue yourself into a corner here. The definition of 'moral' becomes identical to what God says, whatever it is and 'immoral' becomes obedience. It is a literal representation of a slave-master relationship.
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Uh, then you would think that morality is independent of God. Possibly not important.
Labeling God as amoral could mean many things.
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So if morality is based on what God orders why didn't he make things simple and order us to do the things he foreknew we would do anyway? I mean if there is no inherent right or wrong beyond his fiat why bring evil into existence by labeling certain actions evil? If he had instead called actions like rape, murder, etc.. good they would be good instead right? Just order people to do whatever they will and there would be no evil because following Gods order is good.
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I think that the God of the Bible could care less about morality. There's simply that which is of God and like God and that which has become unlike God. Morality is really a pretty silly concept.
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Well, there we are.
I don't think anyone can top that. This is where theistic 'morality' gets you. It gets you to abject nihilism.
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How do you verify if it's God and not a mental illness? If I heard an audible voice saying "kill so and so" I don't think I would attribute it to God. I'm not sure exactly how the people in the Old Testament got their supposed direct message to do it but I would be really skeptical.
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I don't claim to be moral nor do I care about being moral. I care about knowing and loving God and loving the people he created.
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If I heard a voice telling me to kill I would assume it was demonic or mental illness.
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That's good. I'm not sure some of the people in OT would have thought that way though. It seemed a pretty accepted thing that God sometimes orders Israelites to kill for God. Even to the point of putting infants to the sword. How exactly did they get their orders?
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By the word of God. Christians view revelation as progressive, meaning that God progressively revealed himself over a long period of time but has completely and finally revealed himself in his final Word, Jesus. This is why we believe that revelation is closed. Jesus is the final word of God. God still speaks today, but he continues to speak through his word. That's why any "vision" or "audible voice" must be tested by the fullness of God's revelation in Christ. If it doesn't line up, it cannot be from God.
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By communicating to you. I'm sure God, if he exists is capable.
So if he asked you to kill, would you do it?
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How do you imagine he would communicate with me? Through a vision? Audible voice? Through the Bible?
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