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Sister Wives - can we talk bout it?

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My biggest concern about these types of marriage is the issue of intimacy and no I'm not just talking about sex. Marriage usually isnt about 'just sex' though as mentioned already, it IS a part of it.

Obviously there are lesser questions I have about the lifestyle from finances to sharing of responsibilities etc.
 
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My biggest concern about these types of marriage is the issue of intimacy and no I'm not just talking about sex. Marriage usually isnt about 'just sex' though as mentioned already, it IS a part of it.

Obviously there are lesser questions I have about the lifestyle from finances to sharing of responsibilities etc.
I mentioned that here:

There is also the reality that the multiple wives (or husbands) cannot possibly get the full satisfaction of a 100% committed marital partner. True, this can also happen in a marriage of two people, but at least this can be addressed. Where a man has 3 or 4 wives, how can he possibly satisfy all of their needs for intimacy and affection (or decent sex)? It's impossible. So someone - or more than one - is going without. There is no true intimacy in this scenario.
 
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Yep and I agree with you. I personally wouldnt be able to do that. I tend to think ALL woman would feel that way and desire 100% intimacy but apparently I'm wrong in that assumption or else there wouldnt be women choosing of their own accord to enter a polygamist marriage.
 
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I was actually really big into "Big Love," but my interest waned when it got all weird in season 3. As a result of that show, I found modern-day polygamy very and did a ton of research.

I think it's fairly obvious that the fundamental religious practice, where young girls are selected and basically are victims of a sex trade, young men are chased off, killed, abused, or made indentured servants, a la Warren Jeffs and his bonkers cult, is very wrong. On so, so, so many levels. There is nothing redemptive or moral in that behavior, there's no way I could condone or support it.

The modern-day polygamy, however... While I wouldn't do it or advocate it, as long as it involves consenting adults who are free to enter and leave at their will, and nobody is scamming social programs to sustain their lifestyle... Meaning they are supporting the kids they create and aren't exploting services as "single parents" who need assistance to sustain their lifestyle... Then honestly, I don't care.

I knew a polygamous family years and years ago... They were happy, normal and great people. They supported themselves, had rules that worked for them (which, I don't know if it matters, but I've never heard of a polygamous setup where the husband has sex with multiple wives at the same time...). I just don't really see that as something worth getting in a fluster about.

That said, if I was the one, or plural wife, of that Kody guy... I'd probably kill him. What an obnoxious man-child.
 
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Personally, I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether.

That being said - safeguards should be implemented to ensure that "marriage" or whatever it is - is once again not a vehicle for some sort of sex trade/white slavery type deal.

Apart from that, I couldn't care less to be honest.
 
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I find him incredibly obnoxious. At the beginning of the show in the opening bit he says "Love should be multiplied, not divided." um, yeah, that's what is wrong with it dingbat, it's multiplied for you and divided amongst your wives!!! Blechh.

Last show I watched he blew up his wives over nothing and actually said, "i just waant to bark orders and have you obey!!!" i nearly died. He also made a crass comment to his first wife who suffers from infertility and only has one child that "well maybe you would get the comfy trailer (or whatever it was) if you would have another baby." *facepalm* worst Kody episode ever.

The wives are constantly struggling with jealousy and their lack if intimate connection with Kody, as anyone would expect.

I dont have a problem with polygamy being legal as long as it is between consenting adults. Dont get me started on the kinds of things that go on behind closed doors in polygamist cults.
 
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I don't like the show because I believe that it promotes an UN-Biblical view of marriage and is not a proper example.

The only reality family I like is the Duggar Family.

How funny... I can't stand the Duggars for the same reason you don't like this show. :D
 
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I've never seen the show. I think I have seen a little clip about the show on TV if it's the people I am thinking of.

I can understand why some men would like the idea from the sexual aspect of it. But, morality, theology, and the ethics of polygamy aside, that would be an extremely stressful life. And when we do read about the inner workings of polygamous relationships in the Bible, there is a lot of contention there-- to steal a topic from another thread. Rebecca and Leah competed with each other for having children. One of them hired Jacob out for some mandrakes and got pregnant. I guess Jacob didn't care too much whose turn it was. Poor Hana suffered from a rival wife before she gave birth to Samuel. It doesn't sound like a happy home situation for the wives, and the husband would have to deal with all the bickering and infighting, too, and I don't see how he could connect in the same way a man connects with a wife if he has one wife.

But I suspect the polygamous men in the Mormon cults aren't always in it just for the sex. I read a little about a polygamous Mormon family where it said the husband had sex three times a week, and had four wives. He was an accountant and his church leaders were giving him more responsibility and wanted him to have more wives. I guess having more wives is a sign of higher rank in the church, and in their opinion, the kingdom, and so they dole out the wives. Surely those old guys in their 70s they call 'prophets' who have 100 wives are starving those poor women.

Reading a little about Joseph Smith, though, he probably had quite an appetite for women. He claims he started being polygamous because an angel appeared to him with a 'flaming sword.' I wonder how the conversation with Emma went when he told her he was polygamous because of a flaming sword. In Mormon scriptures, you can read Smith using prophecy, claiming to speak from God, threatening Emma if she didn't forgive him. He would have 'wives', marry them in secret ceremonies, and not tell people they were 'married.' His wife didn't know. He had really young teenage girls getting married with him to guarantee a place for themselves and their parents in the hereafter.

Smith also 'married' women who were already married. These were supposed to be spiritual marriages, with the women agreeing to be one of his polygamous brides in the hereafter, but the evidence seems to be that he slept with them, at least some of them. He'd marry older matrons who would groom the teenage girls to be his wife. My theory is he was probably more likely to sleep with the teenage girls, since at least there is some evidence of that. The method the Mormon leader could use was to send the husband away on a mission, and when he was gone, 'marry' his wife secretly.

One one occasion, Smith was pressuring some teenage girl to 'marry' him, and she refused. Then Smith said it was a 'test', I guess like Abraham offering Isaac. Others rebuked him for mishandling the Lord's name since he'd been speaking in the name of the Lord trying to get that girl in the sack... I mean to marry him.

One webpage said that Smith had a woman he'd married 'spiritually' or whatever they call it. She had a husband prior to that. After Smith died in a shootout awaiting trial for treason, Young took over the bulk of the movement. The webpage cited a source that claimed that Young told the husband of Smith's former spiritual wife that he was the heir to what Smith had, and the wife belonged to him. The husband let him take her and went off on the mission Young sent him on.

That is a really dark religion. Adultery, child molestation. Mormons seem family friendly now, and maybe they really worked at it because Smith had created a culture that just really destroyed the family.
 
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A lot of people don't like the idea of 'have as many kids as you can', but deeper than that some would consider the Duggers a patriarchal family and that's frowned upon by many Christians.

Hrm...I guess I missed that. He treats his wife with so much love and respect. The quiverful thing seems like a choice to me, but not an unbiblical one.
 
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I agree with LinkH on this -

I cannot imagine a reason other than the sexual component for wanting to be a polygamist.

To suggest otherwise would be to believe that a man...any man...is content basically building a commune where he's voluntarily choosing to take on roomates that he supports entirely - simply out of the goodness of his heart.

..and that I don't buy.

As a man - I've got enough on my plate supporting myself, my wife and my child. I cannot envision taking additional mouths to feed, clothe, etc...just for the heck of it. If that's all it is - why not bring in a bunch of dudes too? The more the merrier, right?

Nah - I think it's so they can have marital relations with more than one person - pure and simple.
 
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Yeah blonde hair almost shoulder length.

To answer a previous question, yes polygamy can be one wife multiple husbands or multiple wives one husband. Typically polygamy is polygyny, 1 husband and multiple wives. Polyandry (1 wife and multiple husbands) is quite rare.

Sounds alot like the Rock bands of the 60's to me-(Rolling Stones used to swap about a bit with the women and the men and have children and then later all settled down and raised em pretty well) I can see little difference-they all called themselves families. They had plenty of money and no one went lacking materially, but it does not seem optimal for western culture marriages today. Sounds alot like lets get naked and jump in a pile-and let the guy be the leader of the cult...Very Jim Jones Like from the snipets I've seen. But Physically I can see how it would work...just not emotionally-how can you not be partial to a partner and not create an atomosphere of jealousy or strife?
 
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Link: I totally agree with and appreciate your post.

Another thing I find interesting is that one of the things the wives say is GOOD about their choice is that it causes them to become better people..because they have to constantly push through feelings of jealousy. I don't agree that putting yourself in a difficult and spiritually tempting situation is a wise way to "become a better person." it's a twisted way, IMO, of trying to put a positive spin on the inherent negatives of being in a polygamous relationship. I perpetually feel bad for these women as well as weirded out by their attempts to spin all their struggles in a positive way even as they argue and cry every episode.
 
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I agree.

Maybe...just maybe...you feel territorial over your spouse because you're *supposed* to?

Exactly!!! But they try to Spin it as being a spiritual plus that they have to work through that. :S i couldn't do it. I'd probably kill someone. But IMO that's not because I'm spiritually weaker than them, it's because I believe certain instincts are God-given and should be respected.
 
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I just find the whole concept. relgious or non completely degrading to women.
I mean it's also consenting adults who become prostitutes or strippers that doesn't mean we have to "normalize" it as a good alternative lifestyle.
It's still just damaged people - and any women who consents to a polygamous marriage for not even religious reasons, I'd feel I can safely go out on a limb here and say that these are seriously damaged women.

- Niffer
 
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I just think "brainwashed." there is a built-in lack of equality in this lufestyle. One man is good enough to satisfy many women, but one woman is not enough to satisfy one man? Yech. Our God is a jealous God who doesn't tolerate our unfaithfulness and I think we were created to feel the same way when it comes to our earthly love in regards to marriage.
 
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