Dear Atheists...

[quatona]

It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

Sure. I always find it very constructive and helpful when someone tells me what I think. I would be completely clueless as to what my thoughts are without you guys.

 

[distraff]

It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

Morality is about kindness, empathy, and humility. Morality also means acting in a way that is principaled such as honesty. It also means doing good to others. These things are not petty, these things are the greatest thing in the world.

Some religious get so caught up with following rules or being religious, that they forget to help other people and be good people. So what is your true morality?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

There are some things that people can say that can suddenly make one instantly bring into question the integrity and veracity of anything they subsequently say. Things like "Is Europe a country?", "I want to go to Australia because their President is Catholic", and what I quoted above.

 

[madaz]

Wonderbeat.

This thread really does have the appearance of a smear campaign against Atheists.

Are you going to answer any questions, enter a debate, or just sit back smug and respond with more nonsensical mumbo?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I thought that the philosophers were in the higher of the 3 gunas: (ignorance, passion and goodness). IIRC goodness is "sattva" meaning upright, straight, good and used in the Buddhist concept of Bodhisattva.

 

[WonderBeat]

Wonderbeat.

This thread really does have the appearance of a smear campaign against Atheists.

Are you going to answer any questions, enter a debate, or just sit back smug and respond with more nonsensical mumbo?

Well, in a sense you've got me beat! You have defeated me!

Atheists in my worldview cannot but be smeared to some extent. How can faithlessness ever coexist with any love-abiding ethic? I do not know. There is something so horrific in the thought of atheism that it seems (to my eye) to partake of the criminal element. That is not to say all atheists are criminals - only that they are dabbling in something demonic, something against God and the natural order.... I will try to respond in the future to some other posts but, like I said, you've got me beat! You beat Wonderbeat! Ha ha.

 

[WonderBeat]

I thought that the philosophers were in the higher of the 3 gunas: (ignorance, passion and goodness). IIRC goodness is "sattva" meaning upright, straight, good and used in the Buddhist concept of Bodhisattva.

It seems to me a lot of thought nowadays is more rajasic and tamasic than anything else... Elevation in thought can only be gotten by surrendering one's intellect to a higher source. And that is how humanity grasps truth.

P.S.: you have to transcend all three modes of material nature before you get to the top. Even goodness is, in the end, a hindrance.

 

[madaz]

Well, in a sense you've got me beat! You have defeated me!

Beat? How? Unless you admit this thread is a smear campaign?

Atheists in my worldview cannot but be smeared to some extent.

That makes sense if you are a theist who is insecure in your own faith.

How can faithlessness ever coexist with any love-abiding ethic?

It certainly can and does.

I do not know. There is something so horrific in the thought of atheism that it seems (to my eye) to partake of the criminal element. That is not to say all atheists are criminals - only that they are dabbling in something demonic, something against God and the natural order....

I'm certain if you wrote out a list of the thousands deities you lack a belief in, and compare it to my list, both lists would be almost identical. In other words, the difference in the level of Atheism between you and me, is almost negligible. Your devil is a deity, so he/she cannot be served by Atheists.

I will try to respond in the future to some other posts but, like I said, you've got me beat! You beat Wonderbeat! Ha ha.

 

[Skavau]

Well, in a sense you've got me beat! You have defeated me!

Atheists in my worldview cannot but be smeared to some extent. How can faithlessness ever coexist with any love-abiding ethic?

Atheism is not the necessary abandonment of faithfulness per se. It is merely the abandonment of belief in a God(s). It also does not deny the existence and relevance of love or the value of ethics nor their combination.

This mantra of yours is a smear. That you outright admit so implies you do not even know what the word smear in this context actually means. It is at least implicitly dishonest as it is the deliberately act to mislead impartial observers that an individual or a group are low in some manner.

I do not know. There is something so horrific in the thought of atheism that it seems (to my eye) to partake of the criminal element.

What is so horrific within "the thought of" atheism, which only means by the way to disbelieve in God that it amounts to criminal element?

That is not to say all atheists are criminals - only that they are dabbling in something demonic, something against God and the natural order....

I don't believe in a God. I don't believe in demons, or the state of being 'demonic'. You can insist that we are dabbling in these things but you do so on no basis and with no evidence for it.

 

[Eudaimonist]

How can faithlessness ever coexist with any love-abiding ethic?

By accepting a love-abiding ethic and having a loving character. Atheists already have WonderBeat beat by considering kindness to matter even in a godless universe.

There is something so horrific in the thought of atheism that it seems (to my eye) to partake of the criminal element. That is not to say all atheists are criminals - only that they are dabbling in something demonic, something against God and the natural order....

Dabbling in what way? How is it demonic?

Why should atheists be against the natural order when they believe in nature?

Elevation in thought can only be gotten by surrendering one's intellect to a higher source. And that is how humanity grasps truth.

Unless, of course, reason is a way a grasping truth.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[madaz]

How can faithlessness ever coexist with any love-abiding ethic? I do not know.

Sadly there are too many people who do not know how.

What does this suggest of their natural behavior if they ever lost their faith?

If religion gives these people their love abiding ethics then I personally support it.

Let's all spread our love.

Why can't we all just get along-Guy Sebastian.

 

[Rajni]

P.S.: you have to transcend all three modes of material nature before you get to the top. Even goodness is, in the end, a hindrance.

I'm always suspicious of any religion that makes spirituality look like some kind of board-game, what with all the (man-made) hoops one must jump through to get somewhere they already are.

It brings to mind a short rant I posted on a blog of mine awhile back: Board Games: Dead Religion vs. Living Relationship

 

[GrowingSmaller]

It seems to me a lot of thought nowadays is more rajasic and tamasic than anything else...

Could you give examples from famous philosophers? Or not so famous ones?

 

[TheBear]

It seems to me a lot of thought nowadays is more rajasic and tamasic than anything else... Elevation in thought can only be gotten by surrendering one's intellect to a higher source. And that is how humanity grasps truth.

I'm not sold on the notion that the human mind is majorly flawed and lacking. I'm not buying the "problem" you're trying to sell. Of course, if I don't buy the "problem", I won't need the "solution" to the "problem".





"surrendering one's intellect"? Really??? Wow.

 

[Gadarene]

I'm not sold on the notion that the human mind is majorly flawed and lacking.

Entirely possible someone might be projecting there.

 

[TheBear]

Entirely possible someone might be projecting there.

Possible, indeed.

 

[madaz]

Elevation in thought can only be gotten by surrendering one's intellect to a higher source. And that is how humanity grasps truth.

Surrendering our intellect leads us into believing lies.

 

[Davian]

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Atheists in my worldview cannot but be smeared to some extent. How can faithlessness ever coexist with any love-abiding ethic? I do not know.

Argument from ignorance.

Did not humans get along, with love and ethics, prior to the invention of gods?

There is something so horrific in the thought of atheism that it seems (to my eye) to partake of the criminal element.

Atheists simply lack beliefs in deities. Of what would you convict them?

That is not to say all atheists are criminals - only that they are dabbling in something demonic, something against God and the natural order.... I will try to respond in the future to some other posts but, like I said, you've got me beat! You beat Wonderbeat! Ha ha.

So atheists are dabbling in something they don't believe in to be against something they don't believe to exist? Are you sure that you know what atheism is?

 

[Davian]

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Elevation in thought can only be gotten by surrendering one's intellect to a higher source. And that is how humanity grasps truth.
...

Surrendering our intellect leads us into believing lies.

Does anything in the bible praise intelligence?

 

[WonderBeat]

Did not humans get along, with love and ethics, prior to the invention of gods?

The gods were never invented. They exist even now.

Atheists simply lack beliefs in deities. Of what would you convict them?

I would convict them of an inadequate world-view.

So atheists are dabbling in something they don't believe in to be against something they don't believe to exist? Are you sure that you know what atheism is?

Every position contains baggage. Atheism is non-exempt. When one does not look to love and transcendence, one looks to lower sources of happiness. Materialistic life is the result.