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You want to say there is no God because there is variation between people.
Proof, ladies and gentlemen, that Jamin has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

IF there was no variation then there would be no theory of evolution. Because your theory depends on that very variation that you say is evidence that God does not exist. Maybe God is real and it is your theory that does not exist. Your theory based on modification and change over time. Yet you do not want Christians to change and you do not want to see any modification or variation take place over time. Your just fighting to prove your own theory wrong and you may accomplish just that. For Christians to evolve and come to a better understanding for you is a contradiction.
PROTIP: Evolution and Christianity aren't mutually exclusive.
 
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We just go by the letters of testimony that people send into the ministry and there are quite a few of them. The doctors say that sometimes they get a false reading on those tests. So they tend to explain it that way.
letters of ministry vs. serum virology... I too, call BS.

Why havn't any of these "cured" people appeared in the medical literature?

Wait, let me guess... anti-Christian pro-athiest scientific conspiracy, right?
 
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Proof, ladies and gentlemen, that Jamin has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
Perhaps you have no idea what I am talking about. Far to often on this board people testify against science and against evolution without even knowing that is what they are doing. Perhaps that is why Jesus said: Father forgive them because they know not what they are doing.
 
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Because the doctors had nothing to do with it. They went to God for help. Man had nothing to offer them.
So, there is no reliable evidence that these people were actually cured. Whether it's because the doctors are suppressing it (per your claim), or because these things never actually happened, the end result is that nobody has any actual reason to believe these miraculous cures took place.

And yet, you do. You can invent whatever conspiracy theory you wish, but all you're doing is explaining why you don't have any evidence.
 
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You know what? I'd pay good money to watch Jamin4422 given the choice of a life saving blood transfussion from either a person with no history of HIV/AIDS, or one of these people he claims "God has cured", and then to explain his choice.
 
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The sermon on the mount is not my truth. Jesus preached that sermon. Do you not agree that people should follow the teachings of Jesus? I suppose the anti christ would say not to follow the teachings of Jesus. For the most part I was under the impression that people believe that Jesus was a good teacher and that we should all follow His teaching. I was under the impression that people like you are upset because Christians are not Christ like enough to make you happy. Did you not weigh in with the opinion that your more Christ like then we are. That you follow the teachings better then we do? That you are in effect more good then we are?

Putting words in my mouth now? How about you back them up with facts? Please, quote any post where I said I was "more like Christ" than anyone else, or that I "followed Christ's teachings" better than anyone else. If you are unable to do that, I will assume you are raising false accusations.

As far as telling who anybody should or should not follow, I am not here to do that. I will leave things like that to those who think their beliefs are "the truth".
 
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You know what? I'd pay good money to watch Jamin4422 given the choice of a life saving blood transfussion from either a person with no history of HIV/AIDS, or one of these people he claims "God has cured", and then to explain his choice.
This is what we believe. Doctors help who the doctors are able to help. The pastor helps the people they are able to help. Seldom if ever do they get in each others way. So sorry, nice try blackwater, but there is no scandal for you to stir up here. Better luck next time.
 
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So, there is no reliable evidence
One of the reasons they have that big airplane is so they can take all the camera equipment to capture the whole miracle crusade on tape.
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One of the reasons they have that big airplane is so they can take all the camera equipment to capture the whole miracle crusade on tape.
Amazing no one thought to tape any of these alleged miracle HIV cures until now.
 
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Amazing no one thought to tape any of these alleged miracle HIV cures until now.
Actually this was the first studio to have religion on TV. The pastor is close to 92 years old now and still going strong. They still travel to africa every year.
 
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Actually this was the first studio to have religion on TV. The pastor is close to 92 years old now and still going strong. They still travel to africa every year.
Sooo... why's it taken them so long to document an AIDS cure? Because I have to tell you, if I found people who had AIDS yesterday and don't have it today, I would make every effort to get it on camerra as soon as possible.
 
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This is what we believe. Doctors help who the doctors are able to help. The pastor helps the people they are able to help. Seldom if ever do they get in each others way. So sorry, nice try blackwater, but there is no scandal for you to stir up here. Better luck next time.
Have, or have not, pastors healed people of HIV/AIDS using prayer, faith healing, etc?
If so, do you, or do you not, have proof of this? Verifiable documentation that corroborates the claims of these 'healers'?
If so, where is it? If not, why believe them?

One of the reasons they have that big airplane is so they can take all the camera equipment to capture the whole miracle crusade on tape.
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Yes, and not at all because evangelicals who prey on the sick and the desperate are greedy, soul-sucking liars.

But please, show us these tapes. Would it be of this calibre?

James Randi Debunks Peter Popoff Faith Healer - YouTube
 
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No they are not, because they are not talking about the same thing.

Yes they are. They are talking about the same world, aren't they?

So if YEC says the world was created 6000 years ago and OEC says that the world was created billions of years ago, the two are contradictory.

You want to say there is no God because there is variation between people. IF there was no variation then there would be no theory of evolution. Because your theory depends on that very variation that you say is evidence that God does not exist. Maybe God is real and it is your theory that does not exist. Your theory based on modification and change over time. Yet you do not want Christians to change and you do not want to see any modification or variation take place over time. Your just fighting to prove your own theory wrong and you may accomplish just that. For Christians to evolve and come to a better understanding for you is a contradiction.

Worst. Analogy. Ever.
 
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Sooo... why's it taken them so long to document an AIDS cure?
They do not document anything. People give their testimony and we help them to share their testimony with others. Usually either recorded and on the TV program or in the monthly magazine.
 
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Yes, and not at all because evangelicals who prey on the sick and the desperate are greedy, soul-sucking liars.
We spend money in Africa we do not take money from the people. I have never ever made even one penny off of helping others. I am nothing compared to my wife. I would be willing to bet she gives up to 90% of her money to help others. I know of AT LEAST 5 college graduates that she put though school, mostly nursing school. I do not know of anyone more giving. So I do not know what your problem is, but you are a changed person that is for sure. It is as if a different person is using your keyboard. If the old person is gone that is fine, but I really do not want much to do with the current person typing on that keyboard.
 
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Fine if I have nothing to offer you then quit asking me questions. Quit wasting my time and my energy.

What's wasting time and energy is your insistence that mutually incompatible ideas are compatible.

How can you hope to have a proper conversation when your premises are flawed?
 
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The really sad part about Jamin's belief is that if you live in a medically advanced country HIV is no longer a death sentence. With our current antivirals your expected lifespan is about a couple of years shorter than the average. If you live in a poor developing nation it a death sentence. Looking at his theology God seems very indifferent to the poor.
 
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