medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

[Tiberius]

There is a difference though. Christians have the mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. We can all be of one mind and one accord. "Let this mind be in you[FONT=arial, sans-serif] which was also in Christ Jesus"[/FONT]

And if all Christians agreed on things, maybe I'd believe you. But they don't, so I don't.

 

[USincognito]

Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as operational science?

This is all we need to read to know we don't need to take your post seriously.

 

[Jamin4422]

And if all Christians agreed on things, maybe I'd believe you. But they don't, so I don't.

It is not me you have to believe It is God and the Bible. If you think your following God then fine, no problem, nothing to worry about. Only right now you do not seem to know who is and who is not approved by God. So that would cause me to question if you know God or not.

 

[Jamin4422]

Because it's both: it tells us...(it tells us... it lets us know...it lets us refine....

That pretty much is a lot of talk and even boasting without a lot of evidence to back it up. I have said many times that science makes a lot of claims that they simply can not deliver on. Just a lot of empty promises. God ALWAYS comes through for us. You can always depend on Him. I mean I know your going to go right on having faith in and believing all that evolution stuff. Just don't expect us to buy into it. We would be doing you a great disservice if we did not warn you that your house of cards will all come tumbling down someday. If there was no harm in it then it really would not matter. But the problem is your trusting and believing in something that is not going to come though for you when you need it. Better to trust in God because He will always be there for you. Better to turn to God for help in your time of need. But if you turn your back on God, then don't expect Him to be there for you when you need Him.

Dan 7:8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

That pretty much is a lot of talk and even boasting without a lot of evidence to back it up.

Sources are available upon request.

I have said many times that science makes a lot of claims that they simply can not deliver on. Just a lot of empty promises.

I think you're conflating science with scientists.

God ALWAYS comes through for us. You can always depend on Him. I mean I know your going to go right on having faith in and believing all that evolution stuff. Just don't expect us to buy into it. We would be doing you a great disservice if we did not warn you that your house of cards will all come tumbling down someday. If there was no harm in it then it really would not matter. But the problem is your trusting and believing in something that is not going to come though for you when you need it. Better to trust in God because He will always be there for you. Better to turn to God for help in your time of need. But if you turn your back on God, then don't expect Him to be there for you when you need Him.

1) In what way do I have faith, or put my trust in, evolution? It's an explanation for a phenomenon of the world, like the chemical theory of atoms or the supersymmetric theory of subatomic particles. Right or wrong, it's not something one puts one's faith or trust in, and if it turns out to be false, I'll shrug my shoulders and move on. Classical mechanics is beautiful in its simplicity and its elegance, but ultimately it's wrong; does that bother me? No. So why should it bother me if evolution turns out to be wrong? What possible repurcussions are you alluding to?

2) In what way does a belief in evolution preclude a belief in the Christian God? Why does a belief that Jesus is God and came down to die for our sins, etc, require a strictly Young Earth Creationist dogma as well?

3) In what way does God always come through? I've asked for years but never been shown any instance of God actually affecting the world except through the nebulous and ill-defined, staying consistently within the statistical average. How can it be said that God comes through, when the world is blighted by disease and earthquakes and tsunamis?

Dan 7:8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

Such a deliciously vague passage that Christians have routinely applied to anything and everything they disagree with. You apply it to evolution because you don't like evolution, anti-gay-marriage activists apply it to gay marriage because they don't like it, anti-miscegenation activists apply it to the repeal of anti-miscegenation laws because they don't like it, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Tiberius]

It is not me you have to believe It is God and the Bible. If you think your following God then fine, no problem, nothing to worry about. Only right now you do not seem to know who is and who is not approved by God. So that would cause me to question if you know God or not.

And why should I believe in the Bible rather than one of the other holy books out there?

 

[CabVet]

And why should I believe in the Bible rather than one of the other holy books out there?

Oh, oh, I know this one, because it was written by God.

And how do you know God wrote it? Because it's in the Bible.

 

[Split Rock]

Since when do Darwinist theories form an important part of the medicine syllabus? Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as operational science?

Wiccan child did a nice job explaning the scientific breakthroughs. There is no such thing as "operational" science. It is a term made up by professional creationists. Ask yourself this: were you ever taught the term "operational science" in school?

When I did my advanced biology courses "evolution" was on the syllabus. But what was taught to us was adaptation, natural selection, speciation and variation. Common stuff we observe. I never realized this was supposed to explain stuff like how life with specifications for hundreds of proteins originated just by chemistry or how the DNA code originated. I definitely don't consider the stuff I was taught as "evolution" as it is known today. Luckily my Bio teacher was a devout Roman Catholic and she never invoked evolution as the explanation for all life on Earth.

All of what you were taught is evolution. Therefore, you were taught evolution, even if (for some perverse reason) your teacher didn't call it that. Also, it is the best and only scientific explanation for the diversity and distribution of all life on earth. As far as the rest(how life with specifications for hundreds of proteins originated just by chemistry or how the DNA code originated), that is not covered under the theory of evolution.

I hope when I start my veterinary medicine courses they don't start teaching me just-so fairytales about microbes turning into every extinct/extant creature we observe.

I doubt you will be taught any fary tales (like maybe a man made from dirt and a woman from a rib)... but you will likely be taught how evolution explains the diversity of life on this planet.

 

[Tiberius]

Oh, oh, I know this one, because it was written by God.

And how do you know God wrote it? Because it's in the Bible.

Very good! You get a gold star.

I bet Jamin doesn't answer it...

 

[Jamin4422]

And why should I believe in the Bible rather than one of the other holy books out there?

If you put it on the scale what do you have to lose compared to what you have to gain? Solomon wrote 1,000 books. Three of them were qualified to be included in the Bible. You should be glad someone sorted them out to give you the best.

 

[Jamin4422]

Evolution has made massive contributions to science, particularly in the field of medicine.

What they call evolution has made contributions. But evolution itself has contributed nothing. Perhaps you do not care that they take truth and error and mix them together. But for some of us it makes a difference. Although at this point there is nothing to do but to let the wheat and tares grow together. Then at the end of this age God will sort it all out.

 

[46AND2]

What they call evolution has made contributions. But evolution itself has contributed nothing. Perhaps you do not care that they take truth and error and mix them together. But for some of us it makes a difference. Although at this point there is nothing to do but to let the wheat and tares grow together. Then at the end of this age God will sort it all out.

You expected them to use your definition?

 

[Tiberius]

If you put it on the scale what do you have to lose compared to what you have to gain? Solomon wrote 1,000 books. Three of them were qualified to be included in the Bible. You should be glad someone sorted them out to give you the best.

What do I have to lose? Well, an eternity of Paradise if it's Zeus up there instead of the Christian God.

And are you SERIOUSLY using Pascal's wager?

Really?

Seriously, what the...?

 

[someguy14]

So, what you seem to be saying here is that the Koran has it right and all other "theories" are wrong.

If you are going to appeal to correct by popularity, does that mean you side with the Bible or the Koran?

Evolutionary worship is failing.

Trust in God and overcome all. Reject God and fail.

 

[Jamin4422]

And are you SERIOUSLY using Pascal's wager?

Not at all. I am using the law of Karma or what on the streets they say: What goes around comes around. The Bible calls this sowing and reaping. So you have the testimony of three witnesses. Actually the reference was to a fourth witness: Daniel in the book of Daniel about 2500 years ago. He made a referance to the scales of justice and being weighed in the scale and found wanting. This was a reference to Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon at the time.

If you think that people get away with stuff then you may want to pay a visit to your local prison. You will find a lot of people there that did not get away with anything.

 

[Jamin4422]

You expected them to use your definition?

Not at all. People need to know God and go by God, NOT man. The Holy Spirit of God has been given unto us to guide us and lead us into all truth. You shall know the truth and the truth sets us free.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

What they call evolution has made contributions. But evolution itself has contributed nothing.

By all means, elucidate the difference between 'evolution' and 'what they call evolution'.

Perhaps you do not care that they take truth and error and mix them together. But for some of us it makes a difference. Although at this point there is nothing to do but to let the wheat and tares grow together. Then at the end of this age God will sort it all out.

So people have been saying since prehistory. The end of the world is always just around the corner, blah blah.

If you put it on the scale what do you have to lose compared to what you have to gain? Solomon wrote 1,000 books. Three of them were qualified to be included in the Bible. You should be glad someone sorted them out to give you the best.

Ah yes, the delightfully arbitrary selection of books to constitute the modern Bible. Because that wasn't at all rife with political or religious agenda.

Not at all. I am using the law of Karma or what on the streets they say: What goes around comes around. The Bible calls this sowing and reaping. So you have the testimony of three witnesses. Actually the reference was to a fourth witness: Daniel in the book of Daniel about 2500 years ago. He made a referance to the scales of justice and being weighed in the scale and found wanting. This was a reference to Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon at the time.

If you think that people get away with stuff then you may want to pay a visit to your local prison. You will find a lot of people there that did not get away with anything.

You're delusionally optimistic if you think that all criminals and only criminals are in jail.

Not at all. People need to know God and go by God, NOT man. The Holy Spirit of God has been given unto us to guide us and lead us into all truth. You shall know the truth and the truth sets us free.

Which truth, exactly? The Catholics'? Protestants'? Mormons'? Lutherans'? Presbyterians'? Eastern Orthodox? Coptics'?

 

[Jamin4422]

By all means, elucidate the difference between 'evolution' and 'what they call evolution'.

Everyone else seemed to get it right off. In fact they tell me that evolution is descent with modification. So lets take any modern theory, how about genetic drift. Now clearly I can not argue against genetic drift. What I can argue is that genetic drift does not support descent with modification. NO matter how much you think that it does. So you can prove genetic drift, but that does not prove Darwin's theory.

So people have been saying since prehistory. The end of the world is always just around the corner, blah blah.

Ok, I think it is important that the world does not actually end. Just an age or era ends. For example 12982 years ago the ice age came to an end. This was marked by mass extinction (Holocene) Followed by what they call the Neolithic Revolution. The first temple or public building made it's appearance at this time 12,000 years ago. Depending on who you get the date from.

What is coming to an end in 18 years is the church age or the age of grace. Clearly we are told that this age is 2,000 years in length. So we are getting very close to the end of this age or era.

Which truth, exactly? The Catholics'? Protestants'? Mormons'? Lutherans'? Presbyterians'? Eastern Orthodox? Coptics'?

I say allow Science to be your guide. We are told to "test all things". Science provides as good of a way to test them as any. They pretty much all make up the church of Christ.

 

[Cute Tink]

Evolutionary worship is failing.

Trust in God and overcome all. Reject God and fail.

That didn't even begin to address my post...

 

[Loudmouth]

When I did my advanced biology courses "evolution" was on the syllabus. But what was taught to us was adaptation, natural selection, speciation and variation.

You can lead a horse to water . . .

What next? Gravity was in the physics syllabus, but what they taught you was how masses are attracted to one another? Chemistry was on the syllabus, but all they taught was how atoms formed covalent bonds between them?

Luckily my Bio teacher was a devout Roman Catholic and she never invoked evolution as the explanation for all life on Earth.

Are you unaware that many Roman Catholics accept evolution as the best explanation for the biodiversity we see today?

I hope when I start my veterinary medicine courses they don't start teaching me just-so fairytales about microbes turning into every extinct/extant creature we observe.

Me too. I would hope that they would teach evolution, not your caricature of it.