Arguments about God

[ranunculus]

How is it trolling? I take what you just said as a lie, which is a form of trolling.

only reason you would call me that is because the question is threatening to your "atheism"/"naturalism" as you know very well under "atheism" there is no explanation to why rape is wrong and "atheism"/"naturalism" actually justifies it. this question is a very valid question which destroys "atheism"/"naturalism" quick.

In the real world rape is Objectively Wrong.

Atheism has as much to say about rape as gravity about helping the poor.
But please don't stop you're most entertaining. Which is why everyone is lining up do to a little troll dance with you.

Nope, see that assumption. never said rape is wrong because God says so, I'm saying God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) Has to exist for rape to be wrong.

Same difference. This means, without god existing, you can't think of a way rape is wrong. If that were true, that means you have no empathy. In that case please stay away from society.

and in order for that to be possible God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) has to exist.

If you're trying to say that in order to feel empathy god has to exist... You'll have to demonstrate that instead of just asserting it.

 

[SavedByChrist94]

You don't need to believe in the existence of deities in order to believe that rape is morally wrong.

True, however God has to exist for rape to be morally wrong. this is your strawman, never was it said that someone needed to believe God in order to believe rape is wrong, The Fact that is being stated is that God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) needs to exist for rape to be wrong.

Atheism does not justify rape. In fact, atheism makes no comment on morality at all, since it is simply the lack of belief in gods, nothing more.

I'm using the other definition of "atheism", which is the doctrine of God not(you know the rest of that definition, sorry I have OCD)

Bullcrap. How would it be advantageous to the species?

1, cursing reported.

2, According to "macro-evolution" sex enhances the species, the more sex the more reproduction, therefore according to the "naturalistic" worldview of "macro-evolution".

so since you seem incapable of answering this simple question, I'll ask it again, what reason is there fore rape to be wrong under "naturalism"?

there are no reasons and actually under "naturalism" it's justified. in Reality rape is objectively wrong, therefore "naturalism" is false.

God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) exists.

 

[SavedByChrist94]

Atheism has as much to say about rape as gravity about helping the poor.

Gravity is a physical property which exists to poor, rich, etc, Gravity actually does help as it keeps us on the ground.

2, rape is Objectively wrong. "naturalism" is a myth about the origins of life, and whatever caused life to exist caused morals. under "naturalism" there therefore needs to be explanation to Morality, otherwise it is automatically false.

But please don't stop you're most entertaining. Which is why everyone is lining up do to a little troll dance with you.

They call me troll because I'm speaking the Truth. if not the question(what are the reasons for rape being wrong under "naturalism"?) would have been answered long ago.

Same difference. This means, without god existing, you can't think of a way rape is wrong.

Nope, putting words in my mouth. what I am stating and proving for a Fact is that God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) needs to exist for rape to be wrong, not belief in, but Actual Existence.

answer this question, what reason is there for rape to be wrong under "naturalism"?

If that were true, that means you have no empathy. In that case please stay away from society.

Insult me or put words in my mouth again and you're reported.

If you're trying to say that in order to feel empathy god has to exist... You'll have to demonstrate that instead of just asserting it.

It's been demonstrated and proven for a Fact by The Fact that under "naturalism" rape would be right, which is absurd. therefore "naturalism" is false.

God (The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) exists.

 

[Ken-1122]

True, however God has to exist for rape to be morally wrong.

No! YOU need to believe God exists in order to believe rape is morally wrong. (lawd help us if you actually found out the truth) Your idea of God does not exist, yet rape is still morally wrong; your argument fails.

so since you seem incapable of answering this simple question, I'll ask it again, what reason is there fore rape to be wrong under "naturalism"?

Rape goes against the Golden Rule.

Ken

 

[SavedByChrist94]

No! You need to believe God exists in order to believe rape is morally wrong. (lawd help us if you actually found out the truth) Your idea of God does not exist, yet rape is still morally wrong; your argument fails.

Rape goes against the Golden Rule.

Ken

Again and again "atheist" fail with this.

What's the reason for rape being wrong, under "naturalism"?

 

[Ken-1122]

Exodus 21:16
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death,j whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

1 Timothy 1:8–10
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels,t the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

but for everything in general,

Romans 2:15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

I can quote scriptures too!

Numbers 31:17-18
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Humm... sounds like genocide and rape to me! Hitler would be proud.
We can do this all day; you can "cherry pick" scriptures that says rape is wrong, and I can cherry pick scriptures that justify it.

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

Again and again "atheist" fail with this.

What's the reason for rape being wrong, under "naturalism"?

Didn't you read what I said? Rape is wrong under naturalism because it goes against the golden rule. The golden rule is a naturalistic rule

Ken

 

[SavedByChrist94]

I can quote scriptures too!

Numbers 31:17-18
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Humm... sounds like genocide and rape to me! Hitler would be proud.
We can do this all day; you can "cherry pick" scriptures that says rape is wrong, and I can cherry pick scriptures that justify it.

Ken

Where is the rape/genocide? rape and genocide is not even being committed in that verse. please don't troll.

 

[SavedByChrist94]

Didn't you read what I said? Rape is wrong under naturalism because it goes against the golden rule. The golden rule is a naturalistic rule

Ken

Nope, doesn't explain why rape is wrong under "naturalism", only states, do unto others as you want done to you/Love thy neighbor as thyself. you didn't answer the question.

Why is rape wrong under "naturalism"?

rape is wrong, however under "naturalism" isn't, therefore "naturalism" is false.

 

[Ken-1122]

Where is the rape/genocide? rape and genocide is not even being committed in that verse. please don't troll.

The Genocide is killing all men, women (non-virgins), and children. The rape is the instruction of keeping the virgin women for themselves.

K

 

[Ken-1122]

Nope, doesn't explain why rape is wrong under "naturalism", only states, do unto others as you want done to you/Love thy neighbor as thyself. you didn't answer the question.

Why is rape wrong under "naturalism"?

rape is wrong, however under "naturalism" isn't, therefore "naturalism" is false.

If you don't want to be raped, then under the golden rule, rape is wrong.

K

 

[Ken-1122]

Exodus 21:16
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death,j whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

1 Timothy 1:8–10
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels,t the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

but for everything in general,

Romans 2:15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)


3, Therefore God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) exists

Your scriptures didn't say slavery is wrong! You are supposed to quote scriptures that says slavery is wrong. Perhaps you should try again.

K

 

[SavedByChrist94]

Your scriptures

Watch the attitude, they're your Scripture/Bible too.

didn't say slavery is wrong! You are supposed to quote scriptures that says slavery is wrong. Perhaps you should try again.

K

Scripture doesn't directly say pedophila is wrong, however we know, it's wrong.

And Scripture actually Does tell us it's wrong, here's this,

Romans 2:15 - since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)

If you don't want to be raped, then under the golden rule, rape is wrong.

K

That's the point! under "naturalism" there would be no reason for me not to want to be raped, however I do not want to be raped nor does anyone else for that matter, as rape is the worst of worst, therefore "naturalism" is false.

The Genocide is killing all men, women (non-virgins), and children.

http://christianthinktank.com/qamorite.html and Slaughter of the Canaanites | Reasonable Faith

According to What is Genocide? ,

The term "genocide" did not exist before 1944. It is a very specific term, referring to violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group. Human rights, as laid out in the US Bill of Rights or the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, concern the rights of individuals.

What happened against the evil cities weren't violent crimes, but God wiping out evil, which is Righteous Justice. since the reason God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) wiped them out is because they were evil.

if there is any evil country out there, like for example nazi germany, according to you we should let it slide.

The rape is the instruction of keeping the virgin women for themselves.

K

Keep virgins for yourselves doesn't mean rape, that just shows how you think.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

True, however God has to exist for rape to be morally wrong. this is your strawman, never was it said that someone needed to believe God in order to believe rape is wrong, The Fact that is being stated is that God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) needs to exist for rape to be wrong.

I don't think that's a "fact" by any measure.

I'm using the other definition of "atheism", which is the doctrine of God not(you know the rest of that definition, sorry I have OCD)

What other definition of atheism?

1, cursing reported.

2, According to "macro-evolution" sex enhances the species, the more sex the more reproduction, therefore according to the "naturalistic" worldview of "macro-evolution".

Sex is not the only thing that enhances the survival of the species, especially in a social species like ours.

so since you seem incapable of answering this simple question, I'll ask it again, what reason is there fore rape to be wrong under "naturalism"?

there are no reasons and actually under "naturalism" it's justified. in Reality rape is objectively wrong, therefore "naturalism" is false.

You are asking the question but you will only accept one answer.

 

[madaz]

That's the point! under "naturalism" there would be no reason for me not to want to be raped

This makes no sense, please explain how you can reach such a conclusion?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

This makes no sense, please explain how you can reach such a conclusion?

I'm going with brainwashing...

Oh, and I forgot a lack of education.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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