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It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.
 

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It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

Yes, most constructive - I now no longer consider you to have anything viable or valid to say on morality, given that you consider kindness and empathy to be "petty".
 
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Yes, most constructive - I now no longer consider you to have anything viable or valid to say on morality, given that you consider kindness and empathy to be "petty".

They are not petty in relation to the Supreme. Seen by themselves, in their own light, they are of no real value. This is not to say atheists should not exemplify them. Eternal law is eternal law.
 
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They are not petty in relation to the Supreme. Seen by themselves, in their own light, they are of no real value. This is not to say atheists should not exemplify them. Eternal law is eternal law.
Do the world a favor, what-ever God it is that you worship, run away from it as quickly as possible and encourage other believers to do the same because any God that teaches kindness and empathy in their own light has no real value is a religion humankind should definitely do without.

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Do the world a favor, what-ever God it is that you worship, run away from it as quickly as possible and encourage other believers to do the same because any God that teaches kindness and empathy in their own light has no real value is a religion humankind should definitely do without.

Ken

Hahahahahahaha.

In the case that my God does not exist, then why not just pursue material sense gratification at others' expense? :)

Humans are pleasure seeking and if we are barred the Highest PLEASURE of the heart.... which is God (KREESHNA),,,,, then so-called happiness involves abusing and mistreating others. That is the end result.
 
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Hahahahahahaha.

In the case that my God does not exist, then why not just pursue material sense gratification at others' expense? :)
Because I am better than that.
Humans are pleasure seeking and if we are barred the Highest PLEASURE of the heart.... which is God (KREESHNA),,,,, then so-called happiness involves abusing and mistreating others. That is the end result.
Most people are better than that. Perhaps you should put your religion aside and observe the real world. Most people are not as bad as you seem to think.

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Because I am better than that.

Most people are better than that. Perhaps you should put your religion aside and observe the real world. Most people are not as bad as you seem to think.

ken

That is because most people are camels and asses instead of lions and children.
 
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It seems the more you speak of your religion, the worse you make it sound.

K

Look at it this way pal, does empathy have any value when love is subtracted from it? I may speak in riddles, but it is all to illustrate a point. Keep your mind's eye peeled is all I can say.
 
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It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

If by 'true morality' you mean your own morality, then, no, it was not constructive at all.

FYI the link in your signature is in violation of the site rules.
 
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If by 'true morality' you mean your own morality, then, no, it was not constructive at all.

Sometimes you have to separate the wheat from the chaff, before you can actually begin constructive discourse,... and that in itself is constructive.

FYI the link in your signature is in violation of the site rules.

Thanks for letting me know!
 
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It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

I am not an atheist but...Euthyphro dilemma 1, Wonderbeat 0.
 
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It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms.

Not only is the above statement bizarre, it is purely your belief and based on nothing else.

This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy."

Nobody on earth actually has a god, they only have a belief in god(s).

Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

Morality and faith, are not connected in any way shape or form. They are two entirely different entities.

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

Constructive enough to know you are purely provoking a reaction and have nothing constructive to share.
 
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They are not petty in relation to the Supreme. Seen by themselves, in their own light, they are of no real value.

Incorrect. They have whatever value humans assign to them, which is considerable. In fact, that is the only meaning that matters, or that we can be sure of, as there is no evidence that any deities exist to attribute meaning to things.

Hahahahahahaha.

In the case that my God does not exist, then why not just pursue material sense gratification at others' expense? :)

Just because you might lack either the integrity or imagination to pursue goodness if you ever were to find out your god does not exist does not mean that everyone will react in the same way.

Incidentally, all religions are hedonistic in their own way, they simply involve the prioritisation of different desires - so I see no reason to put up with this typical line of anti-atheist bigotry from you or any other religionist.

Humans are pleasure seeking and if we are barred the Highest PLEASURE of the heart.... which is God (KREESHNA),,,,, then so-called happiness involves abusing and mistreating others. That is the end result.

Not at all. Many people do not need your deity in order to want to help others, and to enjoy doing so. Again, your prejudiced assumption that only things you disdain arise from our stance is duly noted, and discarded.

Look at it this way pal, does empathy have any value when love is subtracted from it?

Who says that love is definitely separated from empathy when atheists implement it? Gods are not needed for love to exist, only people.

I may speak in riddles, but it is all to illustrate a point. Keep your mind's eye peeled is all I can say.

Just speak plainly. Make your point already.

(I despise this "ooh herp derp look at me speak in riddles!" shamanistic, pseudo-profound, deepity-laden routine that many religionists do. It presumes you actually have something of value to contribute before you have actually contributed anything. Demonstrate that first, perhaps)
 
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It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.
If I am "petty" for considering kindness and empathy as rather foundational to a meaningful morality then I don't want to be "serious" (trying to think of a suitable antonym).
 
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It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms.

Yeah, the love of morality is a terrible thing. Whatever was I thinking?

This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around

You are right on target here.

but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say)

I'm not certain how you conclude that perfecting the lives of "those around" is self-centered.

and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy."

Kindness and empathy are petty?

Actually, I think that morality revolves around prudence and the creation of life-nourishing values, but I'll admit to my great shame (you can tell how ashamed I am) that kindness and empathy do fit into my moral vision.

Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

And a willingness to lie to myself about reality. Don't leave that point out.

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

Only if pushing me towards anti-theism is something you deem constructive.


eudaimonia,

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[Kindness and empathy] are not petty in relation to the Supreme. Seen by themselves, in their own light, they are of no real value.

Wait a minute. Let me see if I understand this.

Atheists see the value of kindness and empathy even in a godless universe, and yet atheists are the ones who are supposed to be cold-hearted?

Humans are pleasure seeking and if we are barred the Highest PLEASURE of the heart.... which is God (KREESHNA),,,,, then so-called happiness involves abusing and mistreating others. That is the end result.

This is merely your pessimism and cynicism. Human beings may be pleasure-seeking, but they can take pleasure in such potentially godless virtues as kindness and justice. There's no need to believe in God in order to have such ethically refined pleasures.


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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It is your love of morality that sends you to Hells and the Animal Kingdoms. This is because you think that by being moral without God you are perfecting your lives and those around, but what you are really doing is becoming self-centered ("self-righteous" as the Christians say) and thinking that morality revolves around such petty things as "kindness" or "empathy." Notwithstanding these lies, you cannot encompass true morality because for that you need some measure at least of faith, devotion, and surrender (not to mention humility in the light of these great things).

That is my thought. Hope it was constructive.

Is love and compassion through love also petty?

Why is morality self-centred?

Why are faith, devotion and surrender good?
 
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